India’s secret ICBM ambitions

[timetravel]

@faithfulguy is a known troll. he never talks sense.

 

[dray]

All these missiles can be operational. But there are no warheads on them. So in effect, they are duds. Any prove on that they are being designed. Even if they design now, its a long term project. And India cannot test any more nukes so the design could be a dud. All these missile to brag about but no nuke on it. And the proud Indians just go online and especially PDF talking about Indian ICBM when India has no warheads.

India has zero missile grade warhead. Its missile are for show only. The real nuclear threat to Indian neighbors is MKI and Mirage 2000 as they are the only platform that can carry Indian nuclear bombs.

Ok, I don't mind if such self-soothing assumptions ensure a peaceful sound sleep for you.

 

[Lightningbolt]

So this means India is yet to be in the ICBM club

 

[&%)@$)(!#]

Well I guess you are so lousy or rather lazy to have that little knowledge about a "Ballistic Missile System" which is designed to have a "Minimum" and a "Maximum" range for which it is tested. Agni V missile has a minimum range of 5000 Kms and a maximum range of 5800 kms which it has been successfully tested twice for a range of 5000 kms (in 2012) and for 5000+ kms (recent launch) without decreasing its payload which is about 1500 Kgs. In fact we can enhance the range of Agni-V by decreasing its payload to deliver nuclear weapons having as low yield as 20 kt but can cause heavy damage as we all know the destruction power of a nuclear bomb (Hiroshima and Nagasaki Atomic bombings yielded around 21 kt) and that too when Agni-V can carry thermonuclear weapons of yield upto 200 kt. and the MIRV version is already under consideration.

The U.S. Missile Defense Agency has the following classification:-

An intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) is a ballistic missile with a range of 3,000–5,000 km (1,865–3,100 miles), between a medium-range ballistic missile and an intercontinental ballistic missile. Classifying ballistic missiles by range is done mostly for convenience, in principle there is very little difference between a low-performance ICBM and a high-performance IRBM. ICBMs are differentiated by having greater range and speed than other ballistic missiles.

So even based on this definition too the high speed (24.0 mach for Agni-V) and range of 5000-5500 Ks. We can say, Agni-5 is an ICBM.

And as you said about the amount of money and time consumed; Let me tell you India's Integrated Guided Missile Development Program is the MOST ECONOMICAL ONE IN THE WORLD having such distinctions as mentioned which puts it in the elite group of nations. And as far as the time is concerned undoubtedly, the MTCR and other control regimes affected the progress of ISRO’s launch vehicles and DRDO’s IGMDP; the reason why India is still lagging behind in such areas with respect to China which had the Russian support ever at its disposal. BTW Painting imported missiles in Green has never been an option for India nor it will be in the future unlike Pakistan.

Source(s):- Missile Defense Agency - U.S. Department of Defense
Defence Research and Development Organisation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Integrated Guided Missile Development Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Agni-V - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Main News
Intercontinental ballistic missile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just ignore the trolls, you are wasting your time.Most of these troll are educated in .........so they have closed top deck.

 

[walle]

India AGNI series weighs too much for so little payload capacity, meaning it will never be actively road mobile, India's civilian to military conversion technology of ballistic missiles technology means they are too heavy and underpowered (conventional countries develop military technology then apply them to civilian use).

A 50 tonne AGNI-V can only deliver a max of 1.5 tonne payload 5000 km, in comparison a 40 tonne DF-41 can deliver a similar payload 12,000 - 14,000 km.

India is where China was in the late 60s/early 70s with the DF-3A, this is speaking from the power to weight ratio and payload delivery capabilities.

More concerning would be whether India has a working warhead to go with their new missile, with India's poor record of nuclear tests (1998's fizzle), when the unthinkable time comes and India need to use their missile, do they really dare putting a live warhead on it (it may very well burn and explode up on re-entry).

 

[Hafizzz]

So before that all were Russians? being assembled in India with Russian help????

Since the title of this thread is "India Is Developing Its First “Real” ICBM" then all the previous missiles that India "build" were "FAKE".

 

[timetravel]

@walle

so that should tell you that 50 tonne Agni V can go 15000 KM with 2.5 ton payload.

When 40 tonne DF-41 can do 14000 with 1.5 tonne payload.

 

[Hafizzz]

No Russian help for our missiles. India is quite capable in many spheres, its our gov;t that holds back development. Don;t believe the hype. A lot of haters will say otherwise....but we weren;t the center of the world for centuries for nothing.

I hope the Russians read you message so that they will learn that Indians won't give them credit for their hard work !

So this means India is yet to be in the ICBM club

India will never be in the ICBM club just like she will never become a permanent U.N. Member

 

[Hafizzz]

So you mean to say India hasn't developed an ICBM yet with all those years of working and amount of money consumed by their BM program. We should thank God a zillion time for giving us such a lousy neighbor(read enemy).

Indians did develop ICBMs and here is the proof :

Fake weapons | Cakehead Loves Evil

LOL

 

[Fattyacids]

India will never be in the ICBM club just like she will never become a permanent U.N. Member

Funny you keep hearing how desperate India wants to get into this exclusive club, but UN Security council permanent was formed by the 5 major Allied powers in 1945. India was not even born then, why would they admit India now, LOL.

 

[PoKeMon]

Wawa wuwu, Indians should develop its own weapons then constantly whine about how others would not share technology with you guys. Grow up for once.

When we share their technology we comes in open and pay for it. Do we seem hiding ToT? Heck we are actually promoting ToT.

And if we are getting so much help from US, Russia and hell of the whole world why still we are coming up with just good product?

Why are we still failing and failing before finally succeeding?

Why we still have 50 tonne missile for 5500 Km range and not some 30 tonne?

Reason is because we are learning and we are getting into grove and will take time to master.

 

[Hafizzz]

Funny you keep hearing how desperate India wants to get into this exclusive club, but UN Security council permanent was formed by the 5 major Allied powers in 1945. India was not even born then, why would they admit India now, LOL.

India thinks a country's power is connect with the membership at the per. U.N. club and therefore she wants to become a member too even though she is NOT even a regional power when China is just next door.

 

[PoKeMon]

India can build a missile. But it has no miniaturized warhead for the missile. So its a 5000KM artillery shell.

Even china dont have any miniaturized warhead and all its warheads are fighter delivered. Thats why they are hesitating on taking Taiwan back because they know they cant nuke US.

All chini missiles are dud and cant be used even as artillery shell.

Now happy troll?

 

[PoKeMon]

Since the title of this thread is "India Is Developing Its First “Real” ICBM" then all the previous missiles that India "build" were "FAKE".

Idiot spotted!!!! Tunda Kareem in real.

Even if this comment get me banned.

 

[Fattyacids]

India thinks a country's power is connect with the membership at the per. U.N. club and therefore she wants to become a member too even though she is NOT even a regional power when China is just next door.

Because India wants to be like China. China is one of the 5 permanent member, so India wants to join too. After Beijing hosted 2008 Olympics, India also bidded for Olympics, LOL.