India’s opposition leads to rejection of EU tariff deal

[deckingraj]

Aid is a problem, not a solution.

The statement is not true...Aid is not a problem but in our countries it is not used the way it should...It merely ends up filling swiss banks otherwise aid play's a very important role in improving your capabilities to reach at a stage where no more Aid is required....

Increased trade access does not merely benefit 'exporters' it benefits everyone employed by the industry that is able to increase exports to a particular market, and it benefits all the associated industries.

Again not a complete statement....It certainly going to help Pakistan industry but what about the competitors??? what about their associated insdustries???

Increased employment and/or greater wages means that consumption increases domestically, which then boosts other segments of the economy.

Again what about the economy against which it is competing???

Aid does very little other than line the pockets of NGO's, contractors and crooked politicians.

That is internal problem which you guys need to resolve...It is fair to say that because unfair trade benefits should not be given just because there is corruption in Pakistan...

 

[deckingraj]

That is why I am happy in a way, those who thought india can be a friend will have their cause harmed, it will be much easier for realists to spread our message that india is an enemy and cannot be trusted. Thankyou india

Anything major where Pakistan helped india in some international treaty or ay equivalent??? You guys still not have given us MFN status, something which we gave almost a decade ago...and here our interests are getting challenged and yet you expect us to ignore all that and help Pakistan???? Comon!!!!

 

[Rafi]

Anything major where Pakistan helped india in some international treaty or ay equivalent??? You guys still not have given us MFN status, something which we gave almost a decade ago...and here our interests are getting challenged and yet you expect us to ignore all that and help Pakistan???? Comon!!!!

No we expect india to behave like an enemy, and this will help the naive lot thinking of friendship be defeated, which is a good thing.

 

[Cheetah786]

Turks turn there economy around from moving away from Europe centric economy why Pakistan is stuck at the old world trade we have access to all other markets why aren't we focusing on that.

Most of our industry cant produce enough to supply the local markets never mind Europe its just an old way of thinking we have access to Chinese market world including Europeans are stepping over each other to get in china and we are trying to get Aid from Europe.

Business that cant compete with world should b allowed to fall stronger ones will replace them and come up with a better strategy to compete just cause minister this and minister that owns it don't mean we have to continue on the past.

And now lets get the shouting at cheetah begin.

 

[deckingraj]

No we expect india to behave like an enemy, and this will help the naive lot thinking of friendship be defeated, which is a good thing.

No it is not...In fact you are bring naive here...It is like if i try to see my product in the same market you are working/want to work i become your enemy just by ensuring that we both are treated fairly....In short my response was highlighting the fact that if you guys were expecting any favors from India than you also need to behave in the same way...Secondly there is no need for us to be real friends(that would be great) but even if we learn to live like normal neighbours that that would be awesome...Thirdly understand this simple thing repeated million times and yet ignored...Status Quo is beneficial for India - Pakistan really needs to mend ties with India for her own benefits...Without friendly/normal relations with India your core issue a.k.a Kashmir will remain an issue for eternity...

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Inherently, your argument is flawed. If an industry should be benefited, why play on an uneven field. Try competing. Instead if you have has a flood or a crisis, take measures to mitigate that. Why should Indian traders pay for the generosity over floods in Pakistan ?

'Inherently' then, you should oppose any 'Free Trade Deal' or 'Preferrential Trade Agreement' that India signs with any other nation, given your argument above.

 

[Bhairava]

Without friendly/normal relations with India your core issue a.k.a Kashmir will remain an issue for eternity...

MOD EDIT: TROLLING

'Inherently' then, you should oppose any 'Free Trade Deal' or 'Preferrential Trade Agreement' that India signs with any other nation, given your argument above.

On the contrary to level the field the other nation can also sign FTAs which no body objects to and by extension if the EU had agreed to concessions to India also as on the same lines for Pakistan we would have no reason to block this.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

On the contrary to level the field the other nation can also sign FTAs which no body objects to and by extension if the EU had agreed to concessions to India also as on the same lines for Pakistan we would have no reason to block this.

On the contrary, every nation is not given the option to sign a FTA agreement at the same time as every other nation, or no the same terms, so FTA's 'inhernently' end up being unfair to the nations that are not given the opportunity to access the markets of the developed world like those with FTA's.

FTA's are therefore, using your argument opposing the EU trade concessions, 'unfair', unless they are offered as a 'Standard FTA' to the entire world.

 

[desioptimist]

Why do they need India's nod to give preferential treatment to pakistan?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Bhai, the Deep State wants it to remain an issue so that their funding remains undisturbed. W/o Kashmir there is no reason for their existence.Kashmir is their raison d'etre.

Don't troll and rant conspiracy theories - stick to the subject.

 

[Ignited Mind]

If this proposal is totally scuttled, it will be a great diplomatic success for India and other economies who believe in the idea of level playing field.

 

[Bhairava]

On the contrary, every nation is not given the option to sign a FTA agreement at the same time as every other nation, or no the same terms, so FTA's 'inhernently' end up being unfair to the nations that are not given the opportunity to access the markets of the developed world like those with FTA's.

FTA's are therefore, using your argument opposing the EU trade concessions, 'unfair', unless they are offered as a 'Standard FTA' to the entire world.

Anyway why this stupid arguments about FTA et al.

The primary purpose of this Trade Concession hoopla is to help the victims of floods. Good intentions .But at what cost ? Certainly not at the cost of the Bangladeshi and Indian textile exporters who are on the same standard of living as that of the Pakistanis.

So if EU wants to help Pakistan let it pool some resources from its member countries and help Pakistan - not ingeniously giving away the market share of India/BD to Pakistan and creating a facade of helping them while hitting at the livelihood of millions of BD and Indian weavers in the same industry.

Other arguments are un-necessary.

Don't troll and rant conspiracy theories - stick to the subject.

No conspiracy. But the opinion of a vast majority of pakistanis as seen in the other Pak websites.

 

[Ignited Mind]

Why do they need India's nod to give preferential treatment to pakistan?

I think it should be related to one or other of WTO requirements. I'm not sure and I'm only guessing.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Anyway why this stupid arguments about FTA et al.

Because an FTA between developed markets and 'select' developing countries looking to boost their exports through greater market access causes the same 'imbalance' and is similarly 'unfair' to those nations that are not extended 'Free Trade Agreements'.

If you are going to argue for 'equal treatment' as being the reason behind rejecting preferrential trade access to some nations, then why not also apply 'equal treatment' to situations in which some nations are given FTA, and others are not?

'Equal treatment' would demand that "Free Trade Negotiations' are conducted with an entire group of nations in a particular category, and all nations in the agreement have to comply with the conditions for 'Market Access' negotiated in such an FTA'.

The primary purpose of this Trade Concession hoopla is to help the victims of floods. Good intentions .But at what cost ? Certainly not at the cost of the Bangladeshi and Indian textile exporters who are on the same standard of living as that of the Pakistanis.

The same argument can also be applied to any situation in which one of the above nations obtains 'increased market access' (through a FTA for example) and the other nations do not, hence my argument that Indians cannot argue 'cost to Indian exporters' in opposing EU trade access for Pakistan, while also supporting FTA's between India and other nations, that not also extended to countries like Bangladesh and Pakistan.

No conspiracy. But the opinion of a vast majority of pakistanis as seen in the other Pak websites.

You have poll numbers to support this claim of 'vast majority of Pakistanis'? Because as far as I can tell, the Pakistanis clinging to this conspiracy theory are a small number of extremist liberal commentators in the English Pakistani press, and a whole bunch of similar Pakistanis, and even more Indians pretending to be Pakistanis, commenting on those articles in the English media websites.

The latest PEW polls, that show continuing high support for the Army, despite the Abbottabad raid, do not support your 'vast majority of Pakistanis' claim.

And in any case, what on earth does that have to do with the issue of India opposing EU trade concessions for Pakistan?

 

[jdme]

Good for India. Keep it up.