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December 31, 2012:
The brutal sexual assault and murder of the 23-year-old paramedical student has anguished and angered India in many ways, jolting our collective consciousness to stop brushing under the carpet the harsh and brutal reality of how 21st century India treats its women.

She held out a mirror to show us the ugly side of our face, and her 13-day valiant fight was symbolic of the Indian woman’s indomitable spirit against all odds. Her trauma has triggered an unprecedented demand for a safe environment for women.

But at the other end of the spectrum, the seething anger expressed on Delhi’s streets by the young, articulate women, accompanied by men, has darkened India’s image in the world.

The world media has picked up and debated this story threadbare. Editorials and analyses in The New York Times, commentaries and in-depth features in The Guardian, have discussed how India treats not only its own women, but also female tourists.

In response to my earlier column “Rape is about power, not lust”, Michelle Young, a writer from New York, wrote to appreciate the “powerful and simultaneously gut-wrenching commentary”, but went on to add how this tragic event and “the spate of articles on other horrific abuse of women and girls throughout India has given me some unexpected fears.”

She’d been saving money to visit India in 2013, but now wondered “how safe I’ll be.

To hear some speak, you’d think I would have no issues. That’s not what I’m hearing in these articles.

I tend to believe the articles and what I'm hearing in them and sense I’ll need someone travelling with me when I come over.”

Of course, I assured her she must come, but should take some precautions, as she would in most parts of the world.

WORSE THAN IRAN, AFGHANISTAN?

Now, reading a series of articles in the western media, and scanning readers’ comments, one shudders to think of the colossal damage a section of India’s twisted and misogynist males have inflicted on the image of their motherland. Worse, people are now questioning their governments for being “soft” towards India in the “international PR stakes”, despite its horrific record on abusing its women.

In one article in The Guardian titled “Delhi bus gang rape: ‘What is going wrong with our society?’”, comments from the readers were scathing about not only how unsafe India is for women travellers, but also on why the West was not as harsh on India, as it was on Iran or Afghanistan, for its abysmal record on women’s rights.

A reader calling herself KrustytheKlown had a very perceptive comment. “India seems to be a horrible place to be a woman. Infanticide and neglect of baby girls is extremely high, and ‘dowry killings’, as well as appalling incidents like the one described above seem to happen with great regularity. And yet, India gets off pretty lightly in the international PR stakes. If India were a Muslim-majority country with a government hostile to the West, Hillary Clinton would have called for an invasion to ‘save the women of India’ long ago.”

Responding to a sanctimonious comment from an Indian, male of course, she explained that she wasn’t advocating any “invasion” on India, and added: “I think one of the reasons India gets off lightly is that a) it’s not Muslim, b) its governments are mostly Western friendly and c) many people in Western countries harbour a fondness for Indian culture — or a sanitised, romanticised version thereof. I blame The Beatles, personally.”

I would have smiled at the last sentence, had her comment not made me hang down my head in shame. While one woman said India was ‘famous’ among backpackers for being an unsafe place for single women, “only place worse is Egypt!”, another, calling herself Zedhed said that, as a frequent Western traveller to India, she found the harassment and violence “I’m subjected to there has increased significantly in the last ten years, to the point where I was nearly gang raped in a small village in Haryana last year (while searching for a toilet).”

Her boyfriend was waiting in an adjacent street and she was so petrified that she has “decided not to go back… I dread to think what Indian women’s experience is.” And all this despite dressing “modestly” while in India, she adds.

MEDIEVAL ATTITUDE

Many other women confessed to being “groped and grabbed” while in India. What is most disturbing is that women said, 10-12 years ago, it wasn’t so bad, and the north apparently, is much worse than the south.

One said that over 10 years back, on her first visit to India at 18, all she had to face were marriage proposals, but over the years she’s found “sexual aggression much more pronounced”.

The rape of a Norwegian woman in Himachal Pradesh, about 18 months ago, was recalled and the “friendly hotel owner” responded to a query with “Yes, this happens everywhere”, with “a shrug and a level of casual indifference”.

A comment, with an apology, went thus: “I’m sorry to say this, but Indian men have an appalling reputation in the rest of Asia.”

The temptation is too brush off such comments as exaggerated generalisations, but surely we can’t shrug off the serious question marks being raised on India’s status in the international community, particularly when we pride ourselves on being an emerging economic giant. For instance, what answer do we have to Icarusty’s question, “What baffles me is why, despite this sort of medieval attitude being prevalent in India all this time, the western press in particular are (sic) so eager to look at India with such rose tinted glasses.”

He wonders why India gets a better press than China, despite its abysmal record on the gender front, and adds, “It’s the same with western tourists — ‘Oh, I was ill for all the trip because the food and water is contaminated, but it was worth it, such a romantic/culturally rich place etc. to be.’ Is it some sort of post colonial guilt, which gives India a free pass?”

Respect and envy on international platforms is got after long and arduous battles. From the way things are going, with molestations and rapes continuing with impunity, even while street protests continue, we will necessarily have to face more India-bashing before we can once again lift our heads.

How do we, as a nation, look in the eye a 19-year-old mother who admitted to doctors at Mumbai’s KEM hospital that her delivery was the result of her gang-rape in Mumbai “by three men in a black car” in April? They had picked her up while she was visiting her sick father in another hospital; only now she has filed a complaint.

Or the middle-aged woman, who as gang-raped and killed in West Bengal? Or the minor girl who attempted suicide after she was raped in Gujarat?

Business Line : Columns / Rasheeda Bhagat : India
 
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Brutality happened in Rape tarnished indian image and people outside think that this is very common.


and in whole article,only i saw rapes ...:hitwall:

if you looking for rapes then no body can challenge U.S in this despite of having 1/4 times population of india.

Yes,we have other problems related to women but the way these 6 guys insulted india in whole world ...totally regrettable..
 
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This might be record in PDF history where one incident is covered at all lengths and breadths.

@Windjammer There are already many threads about this case. Kindly post it there. No need to post a new thread.

Its been suggested to management that this incident related threads to be merged so that any poster can read about it in detail and the various aspects covered by us in these days.
 
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After so many threads I'm beginning to think sexual violence exists only in India or how stupid people see india's civil society doing their job of highlighting deficiencies in handling the same and demanding changes as some kind of weakness of india and their own societies efforts to hide such matters as some kind of honorable thing. Weird.
 
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After so many threads I'm beginning to think sexual violence exists only in India or how stupid people see india's civil society doing their job of highlighting deficiencies in handling the same and demanding changes as some kind of weakness of india and their own societies efforts to hide such matters as some kind of honorable thing. Weird.

cherry picking n ignorance about own issues :lol:
 
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Bhai purani aadata hai is bande ki ..
neend ni aati isko

pehle yeh banda poverty pe topic post krta tha n then now isne apni dukaan kholni thee is topic pe :lol:

so tusi chaddo n u r banging at wrong wall

Tum apni bakwas apney paas rakhoo......there is a sticky thread about terrorism in Pakistan....but all the Bhartis open a thread every time an incident takes place. Tum loug us waqat andhey aur goungey ho jatey ho.
Paheley apney gareeban mein dhekho phir dousoroun ko advise karna.
 
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Brutality happened in Rape tarnished indian image and people outside think that this is very common.


and in whole article,only i saw rapes ...:hitwall:

if you looking for rapes then no body can challenge U.S in this despite of having 1/4 times population of india.

Yes,we have other problems related to women but the way these 6 guys insulted india in whole world ...totally regrettable..

We have to look at with a grip on ground reality.

Your statement that I put out in green... you have to analyze it more critically. In the United States, the society does not hound and discriminate with the rape victim. In India's honor system, on the contrary, people look very down upon the victims of rape. End result - fewer actual rapes go reported. Contrast it with the United States, almost every other rape gets reported, unless the victim is a minor who does not even realize it was a crime.

So basing it merely on reported data and concluding that greater number of rapes take place in the US than in India would be a great injustice to the silent rape victims of India.

The second statement of yours that I marked in bold represents a psychology that I loathe. Please do not loose your nerves on that because I have a very valid reason : -

People appear to be more concerned about India's image outside than about the plight of their own sisters. (Hum sab Bharatwasi bhai bahan hain used to be our pledge at Central Schools).

In this particular rape case, it is India's image at stake that brought some justice (whatever, if it did) to the victim. The perpetrators got caught over night, and chances are they won't be shown any mercy. But the fact is, it took no less than a dent in India's image to provide justice to a sole rape victim in India.

Had the people of India been already concerned about the victims more than about the image of India, then this incident would not have happened in the first place.

It is very sad that it took such big efforts on part of the media and the community to seek justice - a fundamental right reserved for the victim.
 
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Tum apni bakwas apney paas rakhoo......there is a sticky thread about terrorism in Pakistan....but all the Bhartis open a thread every time an incident takes place. Tum loug us waqat andhey aur goungey ho jatey ho.
Paheley apney gareeban mein dhekho phir dousoroun ko advise karna.

The newer posts by Indians on terrorism in Pakistan do get deleted.

You are the cuddled troll-baby of PDF, we all know that.

Koi Indian andha aur gounga nahi hota, they mention it right away, a phenomenon observable in every thread created by Indians.

But as far as Pakistanis are concerned, why is not there even a single Pakistani in this thread opposing the creation of this one?

To prove my point, a mention to the Mods - let us see how quickly this thread gets deleted.
 
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I am glad Indian media is raking this issue every day and shaming our worthless leaders..They are so persistent in this probably because they are sure that they wont be murdered for doing that.. Right Windy ;) ??

The newer posts by Indians on terrorism in Pakistan do get deleted.

You are the cuddled troll-baby of PDF, we all know that.

Koi Indian andha aur gounga nahi hota, they mention it right away, a phenomenon observable in every thread created by Indians.

But as far as Pakistanis are concerned, why is not there even a single Pakistani in this thread opposing the creation of this one?

To prove my point, a mention to the Mods - let us see how quickly this thread gets deleted.

Dude,, why protest opening this thread.. The 1st step towards fixing something like this is to acknowledge the problem and feel ashamed of this.. So ashamed that there is no option but to fix it.. Thank OP for contributing towards that..I am...
 
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I am glad Indian media is raking this issue every day and shaming our worthless leaders..They are so persistent in this probably because they are sure that they wont be murdered for doing that.. Right Windy ;) ??



Dude,, why protest opening this thread.. The 1st step towards fixing something like this is to acknowledge the problem and feel ashamed of this.
. So ashamed that there is no option but to fix it.. Thank OP for contributing towards that..I am...

Thanks Karan, for supporting the highlighting of this issue. I too do the same and want all of us to acknowledge the shortcomings of our society for the better of all of us and not hide them to protect a temporary sense of false euphoria.

However, my problem was only with the OP who has a history of making snide remarks to garner brownie points without even a shred of empathy as a human being.

But I do fully agree with you, we ought to talk about our problems, not behind closed doors, but out in the open so as to save our society from imploding into a system that benefits none but the powerful!

Thank you again for saying what I too firmly believe in.
 
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@karan.1970 There is no problem in posting this news. But there are too many threads. Many times same questions are asked. That makes it difficult to answer over and over again.

There has been a lot of worthy discussion on this topic. A member also posted the type of rapists on basis of their nature of crime and why they become one. It was also backed by research article. So it was quite a good post on understanding the psychology behind this crime and discussion was also done in context of Indian social conditions.

Now you won't be able to read it as it was in some other thread. So it will be great if all the news regarding this incident is posted in one thread.

And this point people can't understand. That's why so many threads.
 
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These things do happen in every country and In India there is a reason for the coverage of this incident got :agree:

If we donot want this type of incidents happen in future there must be debate, Discussion and awareness so the media coverage.

I don't think this will dent Image of India. This is democracy :)
 
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Tum apni bakwas apney paas rakhoo......there is a sticky thread about terrorism in Pakistan....but all the Bhartis open a thread every time an incident takes place. Tum loug us waqat andhey aur goungey ho jatey ho.
Paheley apney gareeban mein dhekho phir dousoroun ko advise karna.

This is the type of response our neighbors deserve. They are always sanctimonious, always arrogant.
 
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The newer posts by Indians on terrorism in Pakistan do get deleted.

You are the cuddled troll-baby of PDF, we all know that.

Koi Indian andha aur gounga nahi hota, they mention it right away, a phenomenon observable in every thread created by Indians.

But as far as Pakistanis are concerned, why is not there even a single Pakistani in this thread opposing the creation of this one?

To prove my point, a mention to the Mods - let us see how quickly this thread gets deleted.

Since you are oblivious to the reality and habitually just wagging your tongue for the sake of it, put your money where your mouth is.
Every thread individually opened by an Indian who virtually fall over each other in posting anything negative on Pakistan, i don't see anyone advising them or any of these threads being moved or closed., hence practice what you people preach. !!

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/227379-explosion-karachi-live-updates.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/227370-pakistan-seven-charity-workers-shot-dead.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...led-25-injured-convoy-attack-sw-pakistan.html


http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...utside-karachi-railway-station-kills-six.html
 
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