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India’s defence imports to reach $30 bn by 2010

I hope jt Indo-Russian S500 exports to be as successful as Brahmos ;) :lol:
India is already developing a 150-180km SAM with Israel and its own ABM shield.
I don't think it would be prudent to then go for 2 other systems. Incorportate Russian and Israeli tech to make the home grown ABM better.

sir the brahmos is too costly for most countries to afford also its export is limited by certain parameters.
 
do you think S-500 exports will be easier?

no sir i know it wont be easy but we should have different contract than the brahmos which can make it easy anyways the most recent news is that the new russian frigates will be armed with the supersonic brahmos and russi is making way for its induction in its navy so already a big order awaiting from the russian navy.plus if you want to sell the brahmos seriously countries will be queing up for it just try and offer iran the brahmos at a reasonable price and view the results but its impossible diplomatically at this point.

thanx
 
wow thats a lot of money involved.....30 billion is too big an amount at this point of time where the world is at recession.

thanks

But still that is a huge amount. I wonder what they are considering to procure?

Still this is a lot of money to waste on arms when the recession is so bad.
I beg to differ

Recession is the best time to make purchases as it gives you a lot of room for striking a good deal on the purchases

AFAIK other than the American defence companies no other defence company in the other counties have been able to post a profit or have posted reduced profit margins

they are experiancinng a cut back on earlier orders. this is also causing job cuts in those industries

so in an attempt to acquire India's contract they would be willing to offer a much better price for the hardware than it earlier would have, meaning more bang for the buck India spends

at the same time this contract that India awards to the ther country could be levearaged to extract certain commitments from them in matter of India's concerns

Purchases initiated in the recessionanry period is a win-win thing for India

Anyway considering that the Ministry of Defence returns around Rs 300 - 500 crores each year as part of its unspent money from its budget, it would just mean that the Armed Forces is utilizing all the money alloted to it - hardly a bad thing.
 
A country ranking 126 in Human Development Index investing 30 Bn $s in arms purchases which is not going to be used against any country.Better if some leader comes up with a good plan to invest in development plan...
 
A country ranking 126 in Human Development Index investing 30 Bn in arms purchases which is not going to be used against any country.Better if some leader comes up with a good plan to invest in development plan...

there are a lot of good plans on hand. some are getting implemented and some have and some will . So keep this discussion away , if you have realized nothing after 26/11, and specially when there is always threat. Be ready to defend our motherland is the topmost priority. At the same time 30 billion would give enough resources to serve a lot of peacefull humanity missions. look at the past like Tsunami, floods etc.

30Bn isn't just enough.
 
there are a lot of good plans on hand. some are getting implemented and some have and some will . So keep this discussion away , if you have realized nothing after 26/11, and specially when there is always threat. Be ready to defend our motherland is the topmost priority. At the same time 30 billion would give enough resources to serve a lot of peacefull humanity missions. look at the past like Tsunami, floods etc.

30Bn isn't just enough.


And there is no better time to buy then this time of recession. So don't be surprised if it is declared to be 50Bn during the budget soon. Those who have invested this time are more richer in future.
 

* Indian defence minister says heavy imports hurt dream of self-reliance in defence sector​

BANGALORE: The Indian defence minister said on Monday he felt “guilty” over what he described as the country’s unacceptably heavy dependence on foreign military technology.

India imports 70 percent of its defence requirements, a figure that leaves it “far, far behind” fulfilling the dream of its first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, for self-reliance in the defence sector, AK Antony told a seminar on aerospace technology. “I feel sorry and sometimes guilty when we see the growth in self-reliance is very slow,” the minister said.

“This is not suitable for us. Though I don’t visualise a day when we can have zero imports, depending on other countries for 70 percent of our defence needs is not acceptable,” he added. While pledging greater government support for research and development, Antony said it was up to defence scientists to speed up the development and manufacture of new military hardware. “We are taking too much time. Though your achievements are notable, you must speed up the delivery process to meet the growing needs of our armed forces,” he said. India, the biggest weapons buyer among emerging countries, has imported military hardware worth $28 billion since 2000.

It has earmarked another $30 billion to be spent by 2010, which includes $12 billion on 126 fighter jets. Six global aeronautical giants are in the running to win the contract to supply the jets.
 
Who on earth would shoot long range ballistic missiles at india? The missiles China and pakistan could potentially launch are not Long range ballistic missiles. The countries are too close in proximity to India. Who else would attack India.
I thought i read somewhere about THAAD potentially being offered, but i know that the PAC-3 is definitely up for purchase.
The problem is that India for some reason demands TOT on everything. Im sure that they could purchase THAAD without any TOT. Its more advanced than anything India could come up with indigenously unless Israel provided massive support.

Then give us one THAAD battery as a gift! We'll promise to dont blow up anywhere! :enjoy:
 
Defence R&D: What India needs to do

Defence R&D: What India needs to do
Gurmeet Kanwal

February 12, 2009
Speaking at the inaugural seminar of Aero-India 2009 in Bangalore, Defence Minister A K Antony expressed disappointment at the slow pace of indigenisation of defence production. He lamented the fact that even after six decades of Independence, India was continuing to import over 70 per cent of its defence equipment. He said the growth was 'very, very slow.'

The defence R&D and defence production model that India had adopted, did not encourage the participation of private industry, while the government sector came up short of expectations.

In 2008, the Defence Research and Development Organisation celebrated its golden jubilee. Since its inception in 1958, the DRDO has achieved some spectacular successes. It also has many signal failures that are a blemish on its name. The successes include the Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme that produced the Prithvi and Agni series of ballistic missiles and, subsequently, the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile in a collaborative venture with the Russians.

Among the major failures are the Main Battle Tank Arjun that has not met some critical general staff requirements of the Indian Army [Images] despite time and cost overruns and the Light Combat Aircraft that still appears to be light years away from operational induction into the Indian Air Force. However, to DRDO's credit, it worked under extremely restrictive technology denial regimes and with a rather low indigenous technology base.

Consequently, the policy of self reliance did not yield substantial gains as India continued to import almost 70 per cent of its defence equipment for over four decades, primarily from the Soviet Union and, later, Russia [Images]. And, if some MiG-21 aircraft and other weapons systems were produced in India, these were manufactured under license and no technology was ever transferred to India, with the result that even though India spent large sums of money on defence imports, the technology base remained where it was.

At present the DRDO is in the process of deliberating upon and implementing the report of the P Rama Rao Committee report that asked DRDO to identify eight to 10 critical areas which best fit its existing human resource, technical capability and established capacity to take up new projects.

Will India's plans for defence modernisation lead to a substantive upgradation of India's defence technology base and manufacturing prowess, or will the country's defence procurement remain mired in disadvantageous buyer-seller, patron-client relationships?

India is likely to spend over $50 billion (about Rs 250,000 crore) on defence acquisitions over the next five years. Among the weapons systems and equipment to be acquired, the big ticket items will include the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya (the Admiral Gorshkov), 126 multi-mission, medium-range combat aircraft, six C-130J Hercules transport aircraft for the Special Forces, eight maritime patrol, surveillance and reconnaissance aircraft -- possibly the Boeing 737 P-8I, six Scorpene submarines, and a large number of main battle tanks, 155mm towed and self-propelled artillery howitzers, plus equipment for counter-insurgency operations.

One of the major spin-offs of the Indo-US nuclear agreement is that it has sounded the death knell of the era of defence technology apartheid practiced against India by the US and many of its partners in the West. It will still be a decade or more before the ghosts of technology denial regimes are finally buried. The deeply entrenched bureaucracies in the departments of state, defence and commerce in Washington will take quite some time to they finally accept India as a co-equal partner with whom dual-use technologies can be shared to mutual advantage. US MNCs, which have always taken their bearings from their government's foreign policy leanings, will surely lead the charge and make a beeline for India.

Meanwhile, India too has some growing up of its own to do as the country sheds its suspicions of the past and gradually moves away from the rather overzealous chanting of the mantra of self-reliance towards joint ventures.

While the government continues to retain its monopoly on defence research and development, it is slowly moving away from relying primarily on the public sector for defence production. The revised Defence Procurement Procedure 2008, announced recently, continues to emphasise public-private partnerships and encourages the private sector to enter into defence production -- either on its own or through joint ventures with multi-national defence corporations, which may bring in up to 26 per cent FDI.

Large-scale procurements of weapons and equipment from defence MNCs has been linked with 30 to 50 per cent 'offsets', that is, the company winning the order must procure 30 to 50 per cent components used in the system within India.

This will bring in much needed investment and will result in the major infusion of technology -- even if it is mostly low-end rather than high-tech to begin with. However, the DPP is still a policy that is evolving and has many shortcomings that need to be overcome. For example, the MNCs do not find 26 per cent FDI exciting enough. There is really no credible reason why equity investment cannot be raised to 49 per cent for a JV to be really meaningful for a foreign investor.

As a growing economic powerhouse that also enjoys considerable buyers' clout in the defence market, India should no longer be satisfied with buyer-seller, patron-client relationships in its future defence procurement planning. In all major acquisitions in future, India should insist on joint development, joint testing and trials, joint production, joint marketing and joint product improvement over the life cycle of the equipment.

The US and other countries with advanced technologies will surely ask what India can bring to the table to demand participation as a co-equal partner. Besides capital and a production capacity that is becoming increasingly more sophisticated, India has its huge software pool to offer.

Today software already comprises over 50 per cent of the total cost of a modern defence system. In the years ahead, this is expected to go up to almost 70 per cent as software costs increase and hardware production costs decline due to improvements in manufacturing processes. If a new weapons development project needs 500 software engineers, where else but in India can such a high quality work force be found?

However, India cannot leap-frog to a higher plane virtually overnight. The immediate requirement is to think big in keeping with the country's growing international status and to plan for the future with a level of confidence that policy planners have not dared to do before.

Perhaps a showpiece joint project with the US will lead to the unshackling of India's real potential. A candidate project for such a venture would be the joint development of a theatre ballistic missile defence system that is a key priority for the US and will also benefit India's nuclear deterrence. It will take the trajectory of Indo-US relations to a much higher orbit.
Gurmeet Kanwa
 
India, Israel plan more defence R&D projects


Bangalore: Away from prying eyes, kickback allegations and political sensitivities, India and Israel continue to expand their already expansive defence ties, with joint R&D projects ranging from missile systems to ISR (intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance) platforms as well as arms deals.
“We have a very special defence relationship with India. It’s now moving towards joint development of equipment. There are several new projects in the pipeline,’’ Major-General Ehud Shani (retd), the chief of Israeli defence export and cooperation agency Sibat, told TOI on Thursday.
India is already the largest customer of Israeli weapon systems, notching up imports worth over a whopping $8 billion since the 1999 Kargil conflict. From UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) and anti-missile defence systems to night-vision capabilities and advanced radar systems, India has bought them all from Israel. TNN
 
Money talks guys..N india is indeed the blue eyed boy with lots of money wiling to buy expensive toys in the time of recession.No wonderall arms manufacturers r running behind.
The reason why India cant stop spending is that they r seeking parity with the rapidly modernising chinese.Unfortunately for them the chinese have a head start.Also the reason y pakistan cant math india in destructive gadgets is the reason y India cant match china..ECONOMY..boys...
Perhaps we need to post less n work harder to make pakistan richer..hehe
 
Military power was is and always will be dependant on ECONOMIC power

ie YOUR GDP.

Last post mentioned CHINA INDIA & PAKISTAN.

Here are there respective industrial mights

China $3.5 trillion GDP with $2 trillion forex

India $1.2 trillion GDP with $250 billion forex

Pakistan $160 billion GDP with $7 billion forex

I ASK the question

Can india match china in military build up

can Pakistan live with indian build up
 

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