India-Russia-Pakistan the possible future

[wiseone2]

Russia gets to pump hundreds of billions of dollars worth of oil through Pakistan. Any amount of money india offers Russia is peanuts compared to what Russia will make once their black gold starts flowing.

where is the Russian oil going ??

This article argues that Indian has zero-sum approach for its foreign policy towards Pakistan. So for one to win the other has to lose.

islamabad started the zero sum game. india is returning the favor

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

show me the money
four Mi-35 choppers ain't cutting it

 

[wiseone2]

can i have some ?

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

can i have some ?

Why not? Dollar is love 4 all...

 

[Hellfire]

They have already kicked your *** despite so much money you're offering them and came in Pakistan for exercises, causing heart attacks in New Delhi.....A complete SILENCE...SHOCKED...What a joy was that !!!

Seriously? Are you sure? I am yet to find any reaction from any GoI quarters affirming the view above, as only PDF and the stupid politicians of India and media were the ones who were jumping.

I would seriously assume (if I were you) that GoI only conveyed what it wanted to and it was noted. On the contrary, there has been an explicit statement from Russians on Indian strikes - supporting the right of every nation to take steps to defend itself. I would suggest you re-visit the statement above.

Irrespective of respective jingoism on either side, very explicitly I had stated that the Russian engagement is indeed desirable in current standoff, it keeps the diplomacy open. However, under no circumstances make the mistake of assuming that there has been any Russian "shift" to Pakistan.

On the contrary, the weakness of Russia today has made it seek closer relations with China to hedge against US as also keep a potential adversary of tomorrow checked for now.

To check that adversary in future, Russia needs to hedge against it's own present day ally - China. You would be very mistaken to take things only in it's momentary value.

You see (and here I will like to tag @Levina) the biggest mistake everyone does is not realise that the Chinese are not the ones who seek wars as means to their objectives. They manoeuvre endlessly to gain advantage. To understand the Chinese philosophy, you have to understand that for them the gain is from strategic and psychological dominance, not from a military victory. Now extrapolate this to the Chinese loss of control of Siberia and Central Asian Republics in 1800s to a resurgent Russian Empire, which systematically took advantage of the weakness of Chinese Empire being compounded by US, UK and France and to a certain extent Japan, to gain control of Siberia and then Central Asian Republics.

Please do not assume that the Chinese forget such things. They don't. They had a standstill agreement with Tibet, wherein Tibet was considered a vassal state on the 'periphery' and relationship was that of a subject at the court of the "divine king". Look where Tibet is today - absorbed! And how? The only country which could have done a lot to protect Tibet's status - India, very quickly recognised the territory as part of China (giving up it's own historical rights as inherited as successor state of British Indian Empire) in the mistaken belief of reaching a quick agreement on boundary with China with this concession.

You would be wise reading up about the history of Russo-Chinese relationships. The historical baggage is there and it shall be something to reckon in future. What Chinese are doing with the rail networking into Russia is what Russians did in Trans-Siberian Network.

The Russians proposed constructing Trans-Siberian Network in face of increasing Sino-Japanese face off as means of facilitating trade. Slowly they put their troops to 'protect' the network, and today, Siberia is with Russia. Rings a bell?

Will give you a tidbit;

The Han Dynasty's Five Baits of Deception (Deceit for the aggrieved):

To give them . . . elaborate clothes and carriages in order to corrupt their eyes;

to give them fine food in order to corrupt their mouth;

to give them music and women in order to corrupt their ears;

to provide them with lofty buildings, granaries and slaves in order to corrupt their stomach . . .

and, as for those who come to surrender, the emperor [should] show them favor by honoring them with an imperial

reception party in which the emperor should personally serve them wine and food so as to corrupt their mind.

For the Chinese, a treaty is meant to be read only in the context of the time it was entered into. And it can be relegated to the dustbin if the situation has changed, they have done it, they have been doing it and they shall still do it!!

Only the too stupid and too naive will not be able to join these dots.

 

[GumNaam]

where is the Russian oil going ??

Yes, central Russia has the biggest oil reserves in the world but they can't heavily export it because they are surrounding by ice. CPEC will give them access to the warm waters they've always been seeking.

 

[wiseone2]

Yes, central Russia has the biggest oil reserves in the world but they can't heavily export it because they are surrounding by ice. CPEC will give them access to the warm waters they've always been seeking.

a simple question - to which country is the oil going ??

Seriously? Are you sure? I am yet to find any reaction from any GoI quarters affirming the view above, as only PDF and the stupid politicians of India and media were the ones who were jumping.

I would seriously assume (if I were you) that GoI only conveyed what it wanted to and it was noted. On the contrary, there has been an explicit statement from Russians on Indian strikes - supporting the right of every nation to take steps to defend itself. I would suggest you re-visit the statement above.

Irrespective of respective jingoism on either side, very explicitly I had stated that the Russian engagement is indeed desirable in current standoff, it keeps the diplomacy open. However, under no circumstances make the mistake of assuming that there has been any Russian "shift" to Pakistan.

On the contrary, the weakness of Russia today has made it seek closer relations with China to hedge against US as also keep a potential adversary of tomorrow checked for now.

To check that adversary in future, Russia needs to hedge against it's own present day ally - China. You would be very mistaken to take things only in it's momentary value.

You see (and here I will like to tag @Levina) the biggest mistake everyone does is not realise that the Chinese are not the ones who seek wars as means to their objectives. They manoeuvre endlessly to gain advantage. To understand the Chinese philosophy, you have to understand that for them the gain is from strategic and psychological dominance, not from a military victory. Now extrapolate this to the Chinese loss of control of Siberia and Central Asian Republics in 1800s to a resurgent Russian Empire, which systematically took advantage of the weakness of Chinese Empire being compounded by US, UK and France and to a certain extent Japan, to gain control of Siberia and then Central Asian Republics.

Please do not assume that the Chinese forget such things. They don't. They had a standstill agreement with Tibet, wherein Tibet was considered a vassal state on the 'periphery' and relationship was that of a subject at the court of the "divine king". Look where Tibet is today - absorbed! And how? The only country which could have done a lot to protect Tibet's status - India, very quickly recognised the territory as part of China (giving up it's own historical rights as inherited as successor state of British Indian Empire) in the mistaken belief of reaching a quick agreement on boundary with China with this concession.

You would be wise reading up about the history of Russo-Chinese relationships. The historical baggage is there and it shall be something to reckon in future. What Chinese are doing with the rail networking into Russia is what Russians did in Trans-Siberian Network.

The Russians proposed constructing Trans-Siberian Network in face of increasing Sino-Japanese face off as means of facilitating trade. Slowly they put their troops to 'protect' the network, and today, Siberia is with Russia. Rings a bell?

Will give you a tidbit;

The Han Dynasty's Five Baits of Deception (Deceit for the aggrieved):

To give them . . . elaborate clothes and carriages in order to corrupt their eyes;

to give them fine food in order to corrupt their mouth;

to give them music and women in order to corrupt their ears;

to provide them with lofty buildings, granaries and slaves in order to corrupt their stomach . . .

and, as for those who come to surrender, the emperor [should] show them favor by honoring them with an imperial

reception party in which the emperor should personally serve them wine and food so as to corrupt their mind.

For the Chinese, a treaty is meant to be read only in the context of the time it was entered into. And it can be relegated to the dustbin if the situation has changed, they have done it, they have been doing it and they shall still do it!!

Only the too stupid and too naive will not be able to join these dots.

Russia is not stupid to trust China 100%.

Putin is visiting Japan in December. Japan is an American ally.

When is he visiting Pakistan ?? a supposed ally of Russia

 

[Hellfire]

Russia is not stupid to trust China 100%.

Putin is visiting Japan in December. Japan is an American ally.

When is he visiting Pakistan ?? a supposed ally of Russia

I wrote a very exhaustive post. Don't belittle the efforts by above post.

Read it very carefully. Understand it.