India-Russia jet deal hits turbulence over 'technical worries'

[Windjammer]

Why are we discussing a 20 year old tiny fleet of f16s and it's combat record from the period from 20 years ago.

This thread is about s fifth generation fighter project between Russia and India.

F16 is obselete news.

We are in 2015 not 1995

We are discussing the F-16 here because elsewhere you were trolling that US is keeping eyes on PAF's F-16s, here you have suddenly become oblivious to the fact that India despite being an equal partner in the project is still kept on a short leash by Russia...... as for tiny fleet comment, well the disparity between PAF and IAF has always been on a ratio of 4:1 in India's favour however the kill ratio has always been the other way around.
As for the combat records, well, which aircraft with the IAF has any thing worthy to show for it'self. !!!

 

[Windjammer]

We would have done it in Kargil War. But your PAF pilots in the super duper 1980's F-16 stayed 20-25km away from LoC whereas our BVR Mig-29's patrolled within meters of LoC and kept crossing it. Thats whats called air dominance.

You could have done what in Kargil war ????
Both air forces remained on their side of respective border, the only time your MiGs ventured on our side, they became fireballs..... wonder why Indian members forget what happened after Kargil.....notably in 2008.

 

[Etilla]

You could have done what in Kargil war ????
Both air forces remained on their side of respective border, the only time your MiGs ventured on our side, they became fireballs..... wonder why Indian members forget what happened after Kargil.....notably in 2008.

That was a Mig-21.

Your F-16 stayed 25km inside your borders as they were shit scared of BVR Mig 29's after 2 Mig 29 got BVR lock on 2 F-16's.

That is the closest ever it has come to a hostile kill for an F-16 in a2a. Of course the legendary PAF remains only Air Force to have shot down an F-16

 

[Storm Force]

Wndjammer.

Your repetitive bullcrap about wat happened in 1971 or 1872 or 1999.counts for nothing today.

No matter how your dressing this up pak Wil lose this war with India ultimately.

Be it today tommrow ve it s military conflict or industrial race or political race or short conflict you can't do nothing to change the status quo.

We are happy with the status quo

You Pakistanis are not happy about India having saichen Kashmir abd control of water and our rising global power and influence.

Your f16 or thunders cant help you

Those f16 and combat records Wil gain you nothing in next war.

You wont win fullstop

 

[Windjammer]

Wndjammer.

Your repetitive bullcrap about wat happened in 1971 or 1872 or 1999.counts for nothing today.

No matter how your dressing this up pak Wil lose this war with India ultimately.

Be it today tommrow ve it s military conflict or industrial race or political race or short conflict you can't do nothing to change the status quo.

We are happy with the status quo

You Pakistanis are not happy about India having saichen Kashmir abd control of water and our rising global power and influence.

Your f16 or thunders cant help you

Those f16 and combat records Wil gain you nothing in next war.

If it weren't for PDF, where would fanboys like you be.......probably standing middle of some slumdog square waving high and whispering to yourself about your greatness.
The fact is you Indians will just induct twin engine aircraft ( as you have no confidence to fly single engine.....not even for a republic day fly past)...... be it 5th gen or whatever, then convince your self it's the best thing since Veg Thali.....get your kicks by watching some stupendous artistry while your warlords boast the tiny ego by creating another terminology full of hot air like, surgical strikes, cross border raids and all other nonsense.....as for rest, empty vessels make more noise, does serves it's purpose

 

[Storm Force]

Windjammer the Fgfa can be cancelled in my book.

As long as we get rafale

For fifth gen technology I prefer using USA to help us develops amca after lca enters service

 

[gslv mk3]

MKI as ''Raptor of the East''.... the familiar pattern of previous egg in the face with tall claims of ''Sabre slayer''.

Both are justifiable claims

not a single F-16 is known to have been lost in air combat, now you tell me apart from some fancy low speed maneuvers, what does the likes of MKI has to show for it's self. !!!

How many MKIs have seen battle ?By that logic F 16 is superior even to F 22

.probably standing middle of some slumdog square

No one here is coming from Orangi town so cut the crap!

The fact is you Indians will just induct twin engine aircraft ( as you have no confidence to fly single engine.....not even for a republic day fly past).....

Most stupidest thing I've ever heard.

India's state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited will contribute only tyres,laser designation pod

Baseless article...

 

[Windjammer]

Both are justifiable claims

Really, well then since it's in IAF service it has to be .... albeit it hasn't seen a single combat while the other sits in a PAF museum, victim of it's own propaganda.

How many MKIs have seen battle ?By that logic F 16 is superior even to F 22

......One just has to see background history and stable from which they come.....unlike some of past, Lockheed, GD, MD, etc. machines one has yet to see an aircraft from MiG or Sukhoi making a mark in history.

No one here is coming from Orangi town so cut the crap!

I know, unlike slumdog citizens, those from Orangi are not full of hot air

Most stupidest thing I've ever heard.

If you had some comprehension ability, you would realise as when was the last time, a Mig-21/23/27 or the Mirage-2000 participated in the fly past, even the LCA is just towed on a trailer.

Baseless article...

As the Russians said.......don't be emotional.

 

[gslv mk3]

For idiots who even claim 'LCA can't even move on its own and need a truck to haul it'.

These imbeciles (who believes things like HAL makes aircraft tyres & LDPs) wouldn't waste even one opportunity to bash Indian Aerospace Industry - This is when their very own aerospace Industry is yet to make something on their own.

 

[Etilla]

If it weren't for PDF, where would fanboys like you be.......probably standing middle of some slumdog square waving high and whispering to yourself about your greatness.
The fact is you Indians will just induct twin engine aircraft ( as you have no confidence to fly single engine.....not even for a republic day fly past)...... be it 5th gen or whatever, then convince your self it's the best thing since Veg Thali.....get your kicks by watching some stupendous artistry while your warlords boast the tiny ego by creating another terminology full of hot air like, surgical strikes, cross border raids and all other nonsense.....as for rest, empty vessels make more noise, does serves it's purpose

You just wish you could induct twin engined fighters but you lack the funds. We fly single engined planes for republic day flypasts all the time. Have been doing for decades.

Last time we crossed swords properly in a aamne-saamne ki ladayi when we shot down your PN Atlantic on 10th Aug 1999. This is after Kargil so its "last time".

We shot it down. All you did is whimper and then got yourself humiliated at ICJ.

Now firing on journalists is hardly a response. We had technological and qualitative edge in 1999. The edge has multiplied with the entry of the Flanker.

 

[Indischer]

what's up with the mail today picture of T-50?? looks nothing like the T-50 i've been seeing

When they can't even manage to get a good pic of that aircraft, you also have to wonder about the quality of their reported facts.

 

[Storm Force]

Lets leave the Pakistani complex behind stick the topic in hand.

Should we look to alternative partnership for a fifth gen fighter.

I say stick with rafale MMRCA comit to programme and the estimated $23 billion (2015-2025)
LCA tejas goes with out saying will continue even at snails pace $6 billion (2014 - 20025)

Scrap the FGFA

look for AMCA partnership with USA sweden Israel or even Japan. 2020-2030

 

[NKVD]

Lets leave the Pakistani complex behind stick the topic in hand.

Should we look to alternative partnership for a fifth gen fighter.

I say stick with rafale MMRCA comit to programme and the estimated $23 billion (2015-2025)
LCA tejas goes with out saying will continue even at snails pace $6 billion (2014 - 20025)

Scrap the FGFA

look for AMCA partnership with USA sweden Israel or even Japan. 2020-2030

Scrap fgfa

 

[Aitreyan]

Lets leave the Pakistani complex behind stick the topic in hand.

Should we look to alternative partnership for a fifth gen fighter.

I say stick with rafale MMRCA comit to programme and the estimated $23 billion (2015-2025)
LCA tejas goes with out saying will continue even at snails pace $6 billion (2014 - 20025)

Scrap the FGFA

look for AMCA partnership with USA sweden Israel or even Japan. 2020-2030

One cannot simply just leave from a joint project like that all R&D projects take time this is the case here , even US F-35 is stalled dispite unlimited funding .

 

[Windjammer]

@gslv mk3, a wiseman once said, a person who gets personal in a debate means he has lost the argument, thus is the real loser.... there's a certain term for a loser but i will not quote that as you obviously lack debating and comprehension skills.........now tell me where did i say the LCA can't fly......there are still Sopwith Camels flying around.......now scroll back and read my post >60 very slowly, if you still have problems in understanding then come back and i will make it easy for you and do make an effort and find out that when was the last time a single engine jet participated in the Indian Republic day fly past. !!!