India receives its first EMB-145 AEW&C aircraft

[ALOK31]

 

[acetophenol]

the success of this project should be dedicated to the 8 lives lost- Two crew, four scientists and two IAF engineers,during the crash of project airaavat pt-2,which led to the early demise of India's first AWACS project. We didn't had too many options for an AWACS platform,like we have now and had to settle for HS 748 Avros, which was not exactly a good AWAC platform.

 

[sudhir007]

 

[Abingdonboy]

Embraer Defense Systems

ERIEYE AEW&C Mission System - Features

As per the respective website both AEW&C have same range.

hey genius- the whole point of this project is that the AESA radar is Indian-built, Embreaer are simply providing the airframe so their website can claim what it likes0 it has no relation to the DRDO AWACS. True specs of the DRDO AWACS are still classified.

 

[janon]

hey genius- the whole point of this project is that the AESA radar is Indian-built, Embreaer are simply providing the airframe so their website can claim what it likes0 it has no relation to the DRDO AWACS. True specs of the DRDO AWACS are still classified.

Embraer's website is only talking about the PLATFORM. It is saab's website that is talking about eriye. What emb's website claims is what applies to DRDO awacs.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Embraer's website is only talking about the PLATFORM. It is saab's website that is talking about eriye. What emb's website claims is what applies to DRDO awacs.

I know, what I was saying was in reply to a guy claiming the ERIEYE and DRDO AWACS had the same range by quoting the EMB webiste. This is nonsense because all the important stuff such as data link,SATCOM,IFF,Avioncis, AESA rada etc are all made by India by CABs/DRDO so it is irrelevent what the EMB website claims to be the range of their AWACS as it has no bearing on IAF's EMB-145 AWACS range.

 

[Gessler]

That Embraer website is talking about the Brazilian Air Force EMB-145 which carries the same Erieye radar as PAF's Saab-2000 aircraft carries. The range is same because the radar is the same!

Brazil Air Force Erieye radar on EMB-145 -



Indian Air Force DRDO radar on EMB-145I -



In IAF's case the radar is different. so obviously the range is different. Even it if IS the same as Erieye, its a matter of pride for Indians! We can build as many such radars as needed! Plus
look at the number of additional sensors and externally mounted jammers/EW pods
on our counterpart, it might well end up with far higher EW capabilities than Erieye.

 

[sancho]

why just 3?? It should be above 15. And where it stands in front of saab awacs??

The DRDO radar system should be more comparable to the older Swedish Erieye system and therefor should offer slightly less performance than the system PAF uses, but our system is more customised and has other techs and systems regarding our requirements. The platform however offers many advantages, like speed, ceilling, IFR, SATCOM...

Republic of simple solutions..
Unlike india,who always complicatex defence matters,and ends up with higher cost and years of delay.

If you have higher requirements and more options, your defence matters logically are more complex and costly. That's why Pakistan can procure similar aircrafts, but often less advanced than what Indian counterparts can get, or why India has started to develop several things alone, which you can't either.
It should be pretty clear that you can protect a way smaller country, with a single borderline to defend, with much less costs and efforts. It would be even waaaay easier for Indian forces if they would still look only to Pakistan like they did in the past, but today we have the focus on a way more important opponent.

More detailed discussion is needed on the matter.
How india plans to integrate this awacs with all the differeny types of fighter jets they got?
Pakistan made it simple..
Erieye for american planes and chinese awacs for chinese planes..
How india gona link awacs with their russian jets?

First of all, using Erieye only for american planes would not be simple but stupid, because it makes PAF operationally very limited, that's why there are projects going on to link the AWACS with other fighters via ground stations / facilities, Search for Oscars posts about it.
Secondly, IAF has own data links and those systems from the Israelis and French, which are able to be used for all IAF aircrafts, regardless their origin. That's why we even replace the US stuff from C130J, P8I and C17 with Indian, Israeli or French counterparts.

As per the respective website both AEW&C have same range.

Which is logical, because both uses the same Erieye radar system, India only bought the same platform from Embraer, but developed and integrated the radar system and other sensors alone, that's why our version has way more differences compared to Brazils or Greeks EMB 145 Erieye.

the success of this project should be dedicated to the 8 lives lost- Two crew, four scientists and two IAF engineers,during the crash of project airaavat pt-2,which led to the early demise of India's first AWACS project.

Would be a good gesture, but the success of this project needs still to be seen! Please keep in mind that we only got the platform (which is proven anyway) with some new external modifications. DRDOs part is now to come, because the integration of the radar and other sensors only begins now in India and the success will be based on the performance of these sensors, not of the platform.
No matter what, I would directly order more of them, because it's not the most advanced performance that we need from these aircrafts, but the numbers to provide a full AWACS coverage and that at cheap costs. The high level will remain to be the A50 Phalcon AWACS and we should accept that instead of going for another development and another platform only for pride reasons.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Would be a good gesture, but the success of this project needs still to be seen! Please keep in mind that we only got the platform (which is proven anyway) with some new external modifications. DRDOs part is now to come, because the integration of the radar and other sensors only begins now in India and the success will be based on the performance of these sensors, not of the platform.
No matter what, I would directly order more of them, because it's not the most advanced performance that we need from these aircrafts, but the numbers to provide a full AWACS coverage and that at cheap costs. The high level will remain to be the A50 Phalcon AWACS and we should accept that instead of going for another development and another platform only for pride reasons.[/QUOTE]

Well but the news says that only the mission computers must be installed as the AESA validation has already been done and it seems to be working perfectly.

 

[sancho]

Well but the news says that only the mission computers must be installed as the AESA validation has already been done and it seems to be working perfectly.

Integration of the radar array and the other external sensors, but all tests that was done in Brazil by EMBRAER were flight tests, to see how the performance of the platform is, with these new modifications. DRDO wasn't testing anything over there, that will be done now and was confirmed at earlier reports as well.

 

[Apóllōn]

@Abingdonboy - Did I claimed anything about Indian EMB-145 AEW&C aircraft having more range or etc compared to Saab ERIEYE AEW&C. I just posted respective sites with their range specs... simple.

Range of Indian defece labs made AESA Radar or sensors are whole different point altogether which I assume is classified. Peace

 

[Abingdonboy]

@Abingdonboy - Did I claimed anything about Indian EMB-145 AEW&C aircraft having more range or etc compared to Saab ERIEYE AEW&C. I just posted respective sites with their range specs... simple.

Range of Indian defece labs made AESA Radar or sensors are whole different point altogether which I assume is classified. Peace

And what was the point you were trying to make in that case? Why post the "respective sites" ie Embraer's AWACS when India is npt buying it and so it is irrelevant news? Would be like posting the specs of an E-3 Sentry AWACS.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Will the radar panel look like this??

 

[Safriz]

DRDO awacs antenna has striking resemblance with Erieye antenna....
as of Mar 2012 it was an ongoing project..Not finished yet...
The platform will undergo several tests in India before induction.

Long Range Solid State Active Aperture Array Radar (LSTAR) at DefExpo 2012. Photo Credit: Vijainder K Thakur

The LSTAR is a S-Band AESA radar being developed by DRDO for use on the under development AEW&CS aircraft.

The radar is capable of Medium PRF Pulsed Doppler Operation, with Multifunction Capabilities and detection ranges of 2-300 km.

LSTAR has multifunction capabilities for Surveillance, Detection and Tracking of airborne targets in the range of 200 km to 300 km range and covering a volume of 240 deg in Azimuth.

The highlights of the radar are:

Radar Detection Range for 2 sq m target is 200 km in Normal Mode and 300 km in Extended Mode.
Scanning 120 deg in azimuth on either side and 2.5 deg in elebation up or down.
Resolution 200 m in range, 1.5 deg in Azimuth.
Accuracy 30 m in Range, 0.5 deg in Azimuth, 2 deg in Elevation.

Technology Demonstrator APAR
DRDO displayed a technology demonstrator Active Phased Array Radar (APAR) comprising of the dorsal antenna unit with associated subsystem and control unit at DefExpo 2012.

 

[dott]

@Safriz so what do u imply by saying that drdo radar is similiar to erieye?? India copied it??