India Rape Capital of World Pakistan in United Nation Human Rights Commission UNHRC

[Peshwa]

Good, you've run out of replies and got nothing to say about every other Indian film showing rape scenes for decades if it's not part of the culture!

Now Shoo, go play rape.

I simply cannot dumb myself down to your level. That's the only crime I can be accused of!

If only my dog could type and read English, I would have him respond to you. But given your level of discourse, I reckon you make him look like a nobel laureate. Tough luck.

 

[Verve]

I simply cannot dumb myself down to your level. That's the only crime I can be accused of!

If only my dog could type and read English, I would have him respond to you. But given your level of discourse, I reckon you make him look like a nobel laureate. Tough luck.

Still not explained why Indian films show rape scenes in abundance? Dodging and running off half way through making same excuses every time a difficult question is posed, that part of the culture too? Lying is, heck even global corporate world knows that.

 

[El Sidd]

It is a culture thing because in every other Indian film the female victim is 'taught a lesson' by rape!

I can remember as far as 80's films showing rapes. Nearly every big female actress has been subjected to rape scenes ... IT IS PART OF YOUR CULTURE AS YOUR FILMS HAVE BEEN SHOWING (& PROMOTING) IT FOR DECADES!!!!!

True to an extent but how is Hollywood any different.

The black guy dies
The blonde is stupid
Everyone is living out some sort of trauma
We gonna fuckin die
Scientologists have pathetic private lives
Ghosts may exist
People are inherently evil until American white hero changes their mind.


Its different man. Hard to generalise.

But think of it this way.

Rape may become extinct in Hollywood graphically but in India it still needs a revolution.

And its media that we depend upon when that happens. Now that's just bad publicity.

The problem is if the state itself has the moral capability to correct itself?

I see no reason why and why not both.

But technically speaking its bound to get worse before it heals.

@Peshwa I thought you may find this better to your taste.

 

[Verve]

True to an extent but how is Hollywood any different.

The black guy dies
The blonde is stupid
Everyone is living out some sort of trauma
We gonna fuckin die
Scientologists have pathetic private lives
Ghosts may exist
People are inherently evil until American white hero changes their mind.


Its different man. Hard to generalise.

But think of it this way.

Rape may become extinct in Hollywood graphically but in India it still needs a revolution.

And its media that we depend upon when that happens. Now that's just bad publicity.

The problem is if the state itself has the moral capability to correct itself?

I see no reason why and why not both.

But technically speaking its bound to get worse before it heals.

@Peshwa I thought you may find this better to your taste.

States promote their culture in the movies ... and it is quite obvious that Indians have been promoting rape by showing it repeatedly ... it's got to be part of the culture to be such a dominant theme in their cinema for such a long time. And if it wasn't, the cinema has made it so.

 

[Peshwa]

Still not explained why Indian films show rape scenes in abundance? Dodging and running off half way through making same excuses every time a difficult question is posed, that part of the culture too? Lying is, heck even global corporate world knows that.

You want me to criticize a script?! Sure I can do that!
But I will challenge you to show me where rape was glorified in ANY Indian movie!
It is always shown as a negative! Something that the villain commits...the villain, who at the end of the day pays the price for his/her actions!

If you guys cannot understand the simple difference between those two, I cannot help you!

And please don't start with this cultural thing shit in movies...
Coz I remember a movie called BOL where child rape of young boy was also shown explicitly and celebrated, followed by documentaries on the problem of rape of boys being common and prevalent in Pakistan,...
So are we to draw conclusions on this now?!
Or how about the case of Mukhtar Mai where rape was actually the recommended "solution" to the issue! A real life example. NOT movies!

I know better than to paint an entire culture or civilization with the same brush...so please don't tread on me with such "ghatiya" arguments.
You can hump someone elses leg for that. PLEASE Spare me!

 

[El Sidd]

Good, you've run out of replies and got nothing to say about every other Indian film showing rape scenes for decades if it's not part of the culture!

Now Shoo, go play rape.

The question to you is

Did it ever occur to you that Bollywood is not the representation of India.

Only tidy whities think like that.

But you can also ask. If media is representative of the society why the theme itself still prevails as a selling point to the youth or consumers.

Our media is shizzed as well. They cannot get their act together either.

The government has totally collapsed.

 

[Peshwa]

True to an extent but how is Hollywood any different.

The black guy dies
The blonde is stupid
Everyone is living out some sort of trauma
We gonna fuckin die
Scientologists have pathetic private lives
Ghosts may exist
People are inherently evil until American white hero changes their mind.


Its different man. Hard to generalise.

But think of it this way.

Rape may become extinct in Hollywood graphically but in India it still needs a revolution.

And its media that we depend upon when that happens. Now that's just bad publicity.

The problem is if the state itself has the moral capability to correct itself?

I see no reason why and why not both.

But technically speaking its bound to get worse before it heals.

@Peshwa I thought you may find this better to your taste.

I don't need a defense.
I need the poster to provide a better argument for me to even indulge in a debate with him/her.

Indian movies are not sponsored by the state NOR endorsed by them!

 

[El Sidd]

States promote their culture in the movies ... and it is quite obvious that Indians have been promoting rape by showing it repeatedly ... it's got to be part of the culture to be such a dominant theme in their cinema for such a long time. And if it wasn't, the cinema has made it so.

No man.

Its just cultural misogynistic thing.

All ancient tribal cultures have it in traditional religious societies to be fair.

India just doesn't have that as it is a secular society.

It's just a population boom gone unchecked on a nation building level.

 

[Verve]

The question to you is

Did it ever occur to you that Bollywood is not the representation of India.

Only tidy whities think like that.

But you can also ask. If media is representative of the society why the theme itself still prevails as a selling point to the youth or consumers.

Our media is shizzed as well. They cannot get their act together either.

The government has totally collapsed.

What people see recurring has a huge impact on them. Indians are hooked to cinema, it is an escape for them from reality but the effect such scenes left on a population ... show something long enough on the screen, be it negative and it becomes a norm and desensitises people. That then opens the floodgates.

Our media is corrupting minds too. What was frowned upon in 80's is now glorified and normal.

 

[El Sidd]

I don't need a defense.
I need the poster to provide a better argument for me to even indulge in a debate with him/her.

Indian movies are not sponsored by the state NOR endorsed by them!

You needed a perspective to continue the conversation and complete your thoughts. I am giving you an opportunity not a defense.

I am an honest guy i troll repeated opinions purposely. Yours was different than the usual my weenie is bigger than your weenie arguments.

So sorry for the misunderstanding

 

[Peshwa]

The question to you is

Did it ever occur to you that Bollywood is not the representation of India.

Only tidy whities think like that.

But you can also ask. If media is representative of the society why the theme itself still prevails as a selling point to the youth or consumers.

Our media is shizzed as well. They cannot get their act together either.

The government has totally collapsed.

How did you draw the conclusion that "rape" was the selling point?
Did it occur to you that the theme of good vs. evil is what prevailed in the 80s movies?!
that the rapist always met his demise as a result of committing the horrible act?
So where does the issue of culture come in!?
Was rape glorified?! Did the audience cheer for the rapist/villain at the end of the movie?!
if that were the case, Ranjeet and NOT Amitabh Bacchan would be the king of Bollywood!

 

[El Sidd]

What people see recurring has a huge impact on them. Indians are hooked to cinema, it is an escape for them from reality but the effect such scenes left on a population ... show something long enough on the screen, be it negative and it becomes a norm and desensitises people. That then opens the floodgates.

Our media is corrupting minds too. What was frowned upon in 80's is now glorified and normal.

On some level for sure. Like it's a billion clowns over there.

Some part of the society ofcourse how negligible will still be big in numbers in India considering its population.

The troubling part is which one.

Sadly its the most reproductive part of the society. The middle class.

Now facing a genocide which is mathematically impending may very well be an international emergency. But not for another few years.

Truthfully movies like PK and 3 idiots have been making headlines for their social issues but that's even more disturbing. But remains India's internal problems.

You see we may very well have opened a pandora box by that unintentional intentional usage of the phrase.

 

[Peshwa]

You needed a perspective to continue the conversation and complete your thoughts. I am giving you an opportunity not a defense.

I am an honest guy i troll repeated opinions purposely. Yours was different than the usual my weenie is bigger than your weenie arguments.

So sorry for the misunderstanding

No I get it. I understand your attempt at furthering the discussion.

My issue is not that the poster was curious about why "rape" was a part of the script. My issue is with the fact that the poster has concluded that rape is a cultural problem in India because it was part of the script in many 80's movies.
There is a HUGE difference between the two.
Trying to understand an issue and trying to paint someones culture as a negative will not be received well with me.

I am usually the one defending Pakistanis and their culture on this forum because I know better than to be influenced by trash I read from my own countrymen as I am close to Pakistanis in real life!
I expect decency if not the same from the other side of the border.
Accusing my culture and upbringing of a heinous act like rape is an insult to me and I choose not to indulge in such conversations.

Hope you understand my perspective.

 

[Verve]

You want me to criticize a script?! Sure I can do that!
But I will challenge you to show me where rape was glorified in ANY Indian movie!
It is always shown as a negative! Something that the villain commits...the villain, who at the end of the day pays the price for his/her actions!

If you guys cannot understand the simple difference between those two, I cannot help you!

And please don't start with this cultural thing shit in movies...
Coz I remember a movie called BOL where child rape of young boy was also shown explicitly and celebrated, followed by documentaries on the problem of rape of boys being common and prevalent in Pakistan,...
So are we to draw conclusions on this now?!
Or how about the case of Mukhtar Mai where rape was actually the recommended "solution" to the issue! A real life example. NOT movies!

I know better than to paint an entire culture or civilization with the same brush...so please don't tread on me with such "ghatiya" arguments.
You can hump someone elses leg for that. PLEASE Spare me!

Mass protests against rape are happening in India ... or do you think those are just a hype?

Watch the BBC documentary ... the villains (in jail) say 'they will do it again without hesitation'. Prominent figures (inc a lawyer iirc) in India have been on media justifying rape. All that fake too?

Amir Khan has done programs on rape, seen those? Rape is such a major issue in India that you have dedicated programs to create awareness in order to change the culture.

 

[El Sidd]

How did you draw the conclusion that "rape" was the selling point?
Did it occur to you that the theme of good vs. evil is what prevailed in the 80s movies?!
that the rapist always met his demise as a result of committing the horrible act?
So where does the issue of culture come in!?
Was rape glorified?! Did the audience cheer for the rapist/villain at the end of the movie?!
if that were the case, Ranjeet and NOT Amitabh Bacchan would be the king of Bollywood!

Well for that one has to assume if Bollywood is a mouthpiece of a government or a country. It is not a reflection of the state. Because of the diversity India provides or anyone who has a check on the financial readings.

The usage of selling point means that there still a women needs saving by a man.

That is disturbing if you ask me. Like there is a mental limit to our thinking.

Like in Hollywood feminist would happily have a male rape movie as well i assume lol.

Or the gay community has one on its version.