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India-Pakistan war games, and Cold Start

APR 9, 2010 13:02 EDT


Shashank Joshi has a good piece up at RUSI explaining the limitations of India’s military ”Cold Start” doctrine, meant to allow the army to mobilise rapidly for war against Pakistan. The doctrine is intended to ensure Indian forces deploy faster than in 2001/2002 when India mobilised troops along the Pakistan border after an attack on its parliament blamed on Pakistan-based militants. It would also aim to integrate army operations with those of the Indian Air Force and to a lesser extent its navy.

The doctrine has caused much alarm in Pakistan which sees it as evidence of a threat from its much bigger neighbour which it says forces it to keep the bulk of its army on its border with India rather than fighting militants on the Afghan border.

The problem is, as Joshi writes, Cold Start does not actually work — or at least has yet to be developed in ways which would make it effective in an environment where both countries have nuclear bombs.

The Indian National Interest website argues that by refusing to admit that Cold Start never really got off the drawing board, India does itself a disservice by giving Pakistan a reason to play up the threat from India.

“…the army’s armored units have continued to be focused on a doctrine that is unlikely to be employed in the event of even a limited war in a nuclear environment, in which air power is likely to play a greater role in any case. The army clinging to Cold Start is in many respects impractical, and diverts resources and attention from more meaningful and creative endeavours related to its military preparedness,” it says.

“Second, the political costs of leaving the doctrine announced but unexplained are not insignificant. As is its wont, Pakistan has framed Cold Start as evidence … of imminent Indian plans to initiate hostilities or invade. India also gets questioned unnecessarily by friendly powers for its apparent recklessness in contemplating limited warfare in a nuclear environment.”

“The responsibility lies with the Ministry of Defence and the national security apparatus, if not the Prime Minister himself, to affirm Cold Start as a work in progress or admit that it never left the drawing board. Either would render advantages—operational or political—that six years of ambiguity has not.”

With both India and Pakistan planning war games this month, there will be much attention on each country’s military capabilities. What is probably equally important is how each sees the other – Cold Start is seen as much more of a threat in Pakistan than in India, where it is regarded with scepticism.

The same was true with comments made in December by the Indian army chief, who was reported to have said India should be able to fight a war on two fronts with both Pakistan and China. Presented in India as an aspirational comment reflecting the reality of two disputed borders, the remarks — made at a closed door conference — were seen as a clear threat in Pakistan.

Both countries tend to think they know each other well, and yet repeatedly see each other’s military intentions differently. That is not a good thing when over-confidence could one day lead them to misjudge the other’s red lines on the use of nuclear weapons.

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india's cold start doctrine has made us reduce our response time to 25 min coming down from 75 min. furthermore our armed forces have improved their coordination by a great amount and each military arm has become much more integrated.
how gud is the coldstart? but it has definately improved our effectiveness. however like many say, each second in a war dictates its own strategy. coldstart or offensive defence are only gud enough to make u enter the war zone the way you want.
 
india's cold start doctrine has made us reduce our response time to 25 min coming down from 75 min. furthermore our armed forces have improved their coordination by a great amount and each military arm has become much more integrated.
how gud is the coldstart? but it has definately improved our effectiveness. however like many say, each second in a war dictates its own strategy. coldstart or offensive defence are only gud enough to make u enter the war zone the way you want.


so u wanna say its good for pakistan??

In that case, pakistani army should thank Indian Army for their improvements.
 
Cold Start doctrine may not be 100% effective and implemented yet, but it will be in future.

So its better PA starts from today and starts counter strategies incase tomorrow India has to employ the Cold Start.
 
Cold Start doctrine may not be 100% effective and implemented yet, but it will be in future.

So its better PA starts from today and starts counter strategies incase tomorrow India has to employ the Cold Start.


Yes, for Cold Start's success we need:


Air Force: MMRCA, more Su 30 MKI, more AWACS, military satellites, Chinooks, AH-64 Apache, C-17 Globemaster III, C-130 Hercules, Harop.

Army: Night vision, Artillery guns, light tanks, more Arjun/T 90 tanks

Navy: Arihant, Akula, Scorpien submarines, more Aircraft careers, ASW corvettes, guided missile destroyer, stealthy frigates P-8 Poseidon.


Because Cold start can become a full fledged war and china can also open some fronts for limited war to divert our resources.


But, by 2015 we will get majority of above stuff.
 
Yes, for Cold Start's success we need:


Air Force: MMRCA, more Su 30 MKI, more AWACS, military satellites, Chinooks, AH-64 Apache, C-17 Globemaster III, C-130 Hercules, Harop.

Army: Night vision, Artillery guns, light tanks, more Arjun/T 90 tanks

Navy: Arihant, Akula, Scorpien submarines, more Aircraft careers, ASW corvettes, guided missile destroyer, stealthy frigates P-8 Poseidon.


Because Cold start can become a full fledged war and china can also open some fronts for limited war to divert our resources.


But, by 2015 we will get majority of above stuff.

Buddy, you need all these for a Cold Start against China, not Pakistan.
 
Yes, for Cold Start's success we need:


Air Force: MMRCA, more Su 30 MKI, more AWACS, military satellites, Chinooks, AH-64 Apache, C-17 Globemaster III, C-130 Hercules, Harop.

Army: Night vision, Artillery guns, light tanks, more Arjun/T 90 tanks

Navy: Arihant, Akula, Scorpien submarines, more Aircraft careers, ASW corvettes, guided missile destroyer, stealthy frigates P-8 Poseidon.


Because Cold start can become a full fledged war and china can also open some fronts for limited war to divert our resources.


But, by 2015 we will get majority of above stuff.

nop. cold start is more than acquiring all these weapon systems. its about high level of coordination amongst army and air force plus a quick mobilisation. unless you dont attack before pakistan mobilises its forces, this whole coldstart is useless.
 
nop. cold start is more than acquiring all these weapon systems. its about high level of coordination amongst army and air force plus a quick mobilisation. unless you dont attack before pakistan mobilises its forces, this whole coldstart is useless.

To a certain extent he is right....

Mobilization of troops, artillery etc does require heavy transport aircrafts like C-17 and heavy lift copters like Chinook.....

But yeah....I dont see the navy etc playing a part except to create an oil blockade of sorts.....but in a larger scope of war....

The whole point is to make deep thrusts into enemy land and hold it before the enemy can regroup and fortify....

Assumptions such as the involvement of superpowers to end the conflict at which point the land captured to be used as bargain and the threat of nuclear overhang are the grey areas of this doctrine that bother me.....
 
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i hope we dont see a war happening between India and Pakistan . However you never know to what extent US arms manufacturing companies would go to sell its red hot wepons like chinooks C-17 globe masters F-35s or Patriot missile defence batteries to a nation having lust to promote and project its reagional power ...:P. They did made the Iraq war possible just to sell weapons and capture a mjor Oil production line .
I hope all that money would be spent for the betterment of people of subcontinent and for the peaceful solution of disputes and mutual economic progress and prosperity .(Smoking high on marijuana +D )
 
nop. cold start is more than acquiring all these weapon systems. its about high level of coordination amongst army and air force plus a quick mobilisation. unless you dont attack before pakistan mobilises its forces, this whole coldstart is useless.


I know what's Cold Start is.

But, as i have already said in my post that it can escalate into full fledged war and china can also open some fronts just to divide India's capacities.

So, before making any such attempt in case of another 26/11 type attack we should fully prepare for a big war.
 

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