India or China: Which Asian Giant Has More Inclusive Growth?

[Genesis]

if u want to compare our countries than wait till end of this century.

pretty sure I'll be dead by then, actually much earlier, but I digress.

 

[Nilgiri]

The first time I had posted this information, I remember watching Chinese posters going berserk, stating this report was fake, because it showed China have more losses due to corruption than India

This is detrimental to both countries. China has an economy 4 times our size and corruption loss "only" 3 times more.

So corruption overall is having a worse effect on India in relative terms.

 

[Genesis]

Of course China is ahead in most if not all social and development parameters.

There is no shame in admitting this.

We must strive to learn from the good things China has implemented in their country...and other Asian success stories in general too....big or small.

Do some Chinese members get a thrill out of disparaging India for being behind? Surely you cannot like this attitude given it is still being done to China from various other countries worldwide and your parents and forefathers also had to live through such a turmoil and dreadful conditions too? It is not a proper attitude to have.

Let us see how India performance stands after 1 or 2 terms of Modi at the helm. Things will definitely have improved for the better by then.

definitely is too definite.

But you been here for what, a month, stay a little longer, my first post here is for India China cooperation, today, it is not. I rarely comment on India now, and almost never on issues directly relating the two.

Let's just say China India has a very weird dynamic, every third post on China by an Indian member is copy, collpase, or some other crap, I mean damn.

It's no one way street, but it is a street, thus traffic on both sides.

 

[TaiShang]

definitely is too definite.

But you been here for what, a month, stay a little longer, my first post here is for India China cooperation, today, it is not. I rarely comment on India now, and almost never on issues directly relating the two.

Let's just say China India has a very weird dynamic, every third post on China by an Indian member is copy, collpase, or some other crap, I mean damn.

It's no one way street, but it is a street, thus traffic on both sides.

LOL. Indeed.

It is interesting to watch India falling farther and farther behind China in every possible social indicator. I posted this because I disagree with putting China and India together in a sentence (except this one, LOL).

I mean, everybody should have their own context, level, and place.

Beating up India on everything is nothing to boast about.

 

[Nilgiri]

definitely is too definite.

But you been here for what, a month, stay a little longer, my first post here is for India China cooperation, today, it is not. I rarely comment on India now, and almost never on issues directly relating the two.

Let's just say China India has a very weird dynamic, every third post on China by an Indian member is copy, collpase, or some other crap, I mean damn.

It's no one way street, but it is a street, thus traffic on both sides.

Yah I see what you mean actually. China is actually a big inspiration for me. We have much to learn from China for sure....Modi was very impressed by China and he is looking to implement many basic initiatives with the basic model tuned to Indian conditions. Thats why we got to give this new dynamic administration some time.

Plus India has seriously lagged China in education and training, it will take at least one generation to catch that up and then another to propel to same output levels (as the population structure replenishes and matures).

This is of course making big assumptions about the future, who knows whats going to happen for sure....but I wish both countries will learn to live with respect and friendship in the long run. During the competitive era of our countries, there is bound to be a lot of "nationalist" spirit if you konw what I mean where one belittles the other for whatever reason or wishes ill/bad on the other....but those among us who can see past all of this know that in the end both countries will mature and win together in the long run....I foresee a great Asian epicentre in the future....that will bring more balance to the world.

During the transition things are going to be heated and rough....hopefully cooler level headed emotions will prevail in this delicate time.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Yah I see what you mean actually. China is actually a big inspiration for me. We have much to learn from China for sure....Modi was very impressed by China and he is looking to implement many basic initiatives with the basic model tuned to Indian conditions. Thats why we got to give this new dynamic administration some time.

Plus India has seriously lagged China in education and training, it will take at least one generation to catch that up and then another to propel to same output levels (as the population structure replenishes and matures).

This is of course making big assumptions about the future, who knows whats going to happen for sure....but I wish both countries will learn to live with respect and friendship in the long run. During the competitive era of our countries, there is bound to be a lot of "nationalist" spirit if you konw what I mean where one belittles the other for whatever reason or wishes ill/bad on the other....but those among us who can see past all of this know that in the end both countries will mature and win together in the long run....I foresee a great Asian epicentre in the future....that will bring more balance to the world.

During the transition things are going to be heated and rough....hopefully cooler level headed emotions will prevail in this delicate time.

You deserve a positive rating for this post but I have no power​

 

[Arya Desa]

Let's compare a barely 2$ trillion to a 10$ trillion economy...

 

[Nilgiri]

Let's compare a barely 2$ trillion to a 10$ trillion economy...

Bhai, there are far poorer countries than India doing much better in social parameters as well. Its not just about raw economic output.

We need to seriously address the shortcomings in the "BIMARU" states over 10 years to fix them into a rock solid foundation of basic human capital, it is their bad performance bringing down the whole average of the country. South and West India in parts are approaching some social parameters found in developed countries ...whereas Hindi heartland has large areas with large populations living at Sub saharan social levels or worse.

This is going to have to change quickly and the time is now with the new administration.

 

[Arya Desa]

Bhai, there are far poorer countries than India doing much better in social parameters as well. Its not just about raw economic output.

We need to seriously address the shortcomings in the "BIMARU" states over 10 years to fix them into a rock solid foundation of basic human capital, it is their bad performance bringing down the whole average of the country. South and West India in parts are approaching some social parameters found in developed countries ...whereas Hindi heartland has large areas with large populations living at Sub saharan social levels or worse.

This is going to have to change quickly and the time is now with the new administration.

That's why I've always said that UP, Bihar (and perhaps WB) should be kicked out of India. Without these dakkus we can focus on growth instead of being brought down by demogaguing to them.

 

[Nilgiri]

That's why I've always said that UP, Bihar (and perhaps WB) should be kicked out of India. Without these dakkus we can focus on growth instead of being brought down by demogaguing to them.

No friend. That is not the correct approach. They also have hubs of economic activity and development, they have been suffering from years of misgovernance, bureaucratic fiefdoms and kleptocracies. Remnants of these still linger even in the more developed states, so we should not be blind to both history and the present reality. The people there once given education and an opportunity are just like any other average person from another part of India. BJP and Modi will have to first win these states in the elections and then bring in massive programs and reforms in education, health and training.

Their populations must be turned from being a burden to an asset. Kicking them out of Indian union is basically giving up on concept of India itself. We cannot drive poor people out of slums or force them out of their livelihoods just because their presence brings down the appearance of a city right?

Spread the opportunity for everyone, don't exclude them because of their present condition.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Something they will not like to accept.
Lack of transparency has allowed corruption to be rampant in China

China's losses due to corruption from 2003-2012 = $1.2 Trillion
Indian losses = $439 billion


Illicit Financial Flows from Developing Countries: 2003-2012 « Global Financial Integrity


The first time I had posted this information, I remember watching Chinese posters going berserk, stating this report was fake, because it showed China have more losses due to corruption than India

Even if it was true the way you think it was...

Chinese losses are 3x bigger than India's losses but China's economy is 5x bigger than India's economy, so India is still losing more

 

[Tractor]

This question only to be asked by people from outside world for territory dispute between this two the only thing to be noticed by each other-one care to keep treasure which not theirs and the other(China) care to gain the real treasure which their own.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Yah I see what you mean actually. China is actually a big inspiration for me. We have much to learn from China for sure....Modi was very impressed by China and he is looking to implement many basic initiatives with the basic model tuned to Indian conditions. Thats why we got to give this new dynamic administration some time.

Plus India has seriously lagged China in education and training, it will take at least one generation to catch that up and then another to propel to same output levels (as the population structure replenishes and matures).

This is of course making big assumptions about the future, who knows whats going to happen for sure....but I wish both countries will learn to live with respect and friendship in the long run. During the competitive era of our countries, there is bound to be a lot of "nationalist" spirit if you konw what I mean where one belittles the other for whatever reason or wishes ill/bad on the other....but those among us who can see past all of this know that in the end both countries will mature and win together in the long run....I foresee a great Asian epicentre in the future....that will bring more balance to the world.

During the transition things are going to be heated and rough....hopefully cooler level headed emotions will prevail in this delicate time.

Here's the thing: if only Indian media and internet Indians would stop jumping and pointing fingers at China, most Chinese would regard India as a curious but dangerous tourist country only.

 

[Nilgiri]

Here's the thing: if only Indian media and internet Indians would stop jumping and pointing fingers at China, most Chinese would regard India as a curious but dangerous tourist country only.

And Chinese are such angels in their media and internet?

Judging from threads such as this is enough to see no one is holier than anyone else when it comes to nationalism, fear-mongering and rude/racist dismissing.

People are simply being people everywhere. They come in all different emotions and attitudes...and internet brings out the worst a lot of times.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

And Chinese are such angels in their media and internet?

Judging from threads such as this is enough to see no one is holier than anyone else when it comes to nationalism, fear-mongering and rude/racist dismissing.

People are simply being people everywhere. They come in all different emotions and attitudes...and internet brings out the worst a lot of times.

My question is simple: when do you see a Chinese post in the India section vs. when do you see Indians post in the Chinese section? This shows which side is the problem.