India opposes Bangladesh’s claim on deep sea

[Species]

I am unable to understand the relationship between Continental Shelf and BD's access to the deep sea. Continental shelf, as per its definition, lies under the water near the seashore. It is a line very near the present seashore when the seawater level was quite a few meters lower during the last ice age that ended about 10,000 years ago.

200 nautical miles from the coast is called Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) and beyond that, countries can claim Continental shelf which is basically the extent to which the seabed, contiguous to the landmass, stretches. If the length of the seabed is shorter than 200 nm, say 150nm, then the combined EEZ-continental shelf would be up to 150nm. In Bangladesh's case, the seabed stretches up to 450nm, as Homo Sapiens stated earlier. Beyond the continental shelf (or the extent of the seabed) is what they call the deep sea or high sea.

A country is called 'sea-locked' when its EEZ/Continental shelf is surrounded by the same of another country, meaning the former has no direct access to the deep sea. Bangladesh, India and Myanmar have overlapping claims to the continental shelf/EEZ, leading to the gray areas which is crucial for Bangladesh's access to the deep sea.

 

[VikingRaider]

i think you are not in a geographical region where you will get any enemy . everyone is investing in bangladesh .

The alliance between India and USA will over soon( or maybe already over) , India already attended military parade in Myanmar.

Now is India trying to be supa pow with the help of China instead of USA?

If this the case , then the bay of bengal is going to be the center of power game instead of south China Sea.

However don't jump , because the fate of your country is remain supa pow of Mahabharata instead of real life super power.

So doesn't matter between USA and China whom India will serve , in the end it will remain only the foot soldier, and will never become elite cavalier!

However although I am against India, still if USA want to make the bay of bengal as center of power game and want Bangladesh in it's block , still I don't want to Bangladesh joining in western block , as in the long run it will harm Bangladesh.

So either Bangladesh should remain neutral or will join Chinese block.

Because even if India seek help from China, still India will always remain foot soldier of big powers.

The irony was apparent to some including myself, but this being Ramzan, people aren't interested in ongoing hair-splitting spirited debates...

And India's investments in Bangladesh are minimal and especially compared to China, it is peanuts.

Bangladesh' industrial sector is mostly homegrown and invested on by locals.

@Atlas and @Homo Sapiens bhais would you agree?

Of course @Bilal9 bhai, I agree with you. I also believe that the last thing we need is Indian investment in our country. Let their investment remain very small amount. We also either should stop buying Indian goods or should put higher tax.

And what's the benefit if they invest? They don't understand business. They wanted to by dsc stock buy force in much lower price.

 

[Ghost Hobbit]

I reckon even a minimum compromise from Bangladesh would result in it being 'sea-locked', without an access to the deep sea.

Bangladesh's claims have so far been minimum, and that's the problem, When negotiating, you must always claim higher than what is due, just like what India and Myanmar is doing.

stop being a drama queen. These kinds of disputes are a part of every country's relationship. In time they're either arbitrated or compromised.

 

[Bilal9]

The alliance between India and USA will over soon( or maybe already over) , India already attended military parade in Myanmar.

Now is India trying to be sup pow with the help of China instead of USA?

If this the case , then the bay of bengal is going to be the center of power game instead of south China Sea.

However don't jump , because the fate of your country is remain supa pow of Mahabharata instead of real life super power.

So doens matter between USA and China whom India will serve , in the end it will remain only the foot soldier, and will never become elite cavalier!

However although I am against India, still if USA want to make the bay of bengal as center of power game and want Bangladesh in it's block , still I don't want to Bangladesh joining in western block , as in the long run it will harm Bangladesh.

So either Bangladesh should remain neutral or will join Chinese block.

Because even if India seek help from China, still India will always remain foot soldier of big powers.

Of course @Bilal9 bhai, I agree with you. I also believe that the last thing we need is Indian investment in our country.

And what's the benefit if they invest? They don't understand business. They wanted to by dsc stock by force in much lower price.

Exactly.

DSE chairman showed Indians the door. Their offer was too low.

 

[Michael Corleone]

200 nautical miles from the coast is called Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) and beyond that, countries can claim Continental shelf which is basically the extent to which the seabed, contiguous to the landmass, stretches. If the length of the seabed is shorter than 200 nm, say 150nm, then the combined EEZ-continental shelf would be up to 150nm. In Bangladesh's case, the seabed stretches up to 450nm, as Homo Sapiens stated earlier. Beyond the continental shelf (or the extent of the seabed) is what they call the deep sea or high sea.

A country is called 'sea-locked' when its EEZ/Continental shelf is surrounded by the same of another country, meaning the former has no direct access to the deep sea. Bangladesh, India and Myanmar have overlapping claims to the continental shelf/EEZ, leading to the gray areas which is crucial for Bangladesh's access to the deep sea.

Damn so india and myanmar both being... Not even surprised since the have no fear of god in them

Exactly.

DSE chairman showed Indians the door. Their offer was too low.

Dse is also so stupid. Only 2 corporate bonds, no mutual funds, no ETF options etc.
they have highly speculative CFDs which rips noobs off
Also did I forgot to mention we still have to order on phone call like it’s the 1900s?
46 bln market cap I think is overinflated when all the the shares are low grade stuff or being diluted, stuck in Stone Age

 

[Homo Sapiens]

I believe the gray area is the one that provides us access to the deep sea. It is mainly an overlap of our claims to continental shelf and India's claims to EEZ. Losing the gray area means we won't have any claims to continental shelf, and thus, no access to deep sea.

Gray area between India and Bangladesh EEZ is relatively small(900 sq. km of water). According to verdict, India is entitled to get all the fishes there, while Bangladesh will get mineral resources. Means if any oil or gas is discovered in gray area, only Bangladesh is entitled to extract those resource.

Secondly, there is no question of 'access to deep sea' as countries can not prohibit freedom of navigation or overflight within it's EEZ of any other country. For more details-
Maritime Zones

Chapter 2: Maritime Zones – Law of the Sea

Maritime Zones Introduction The rights of coastal States to regulate and exploit areas of the ocean under their jurisdiction are one the foundations of the LOSC. These rights need to be balanced with the freedom of navigation and access to resources outside State control – the freedom of the seas.

sites.tufts.edu

Countries have full sovereignty only over the 12 nautical miles of territorial sea. Even in such water, one country is oblized to provide 'innocent passage' of other county's ship. In the EEZ which extend upto 200 nautical miles, countries only have economic sovereignty. The EEZ only allows for resource rights and the law enforcement capacity to protect those rights. It does not give a coastal State the right to prohibit or limit freedom of navigation or overflight. So, territorial sovereignty is limited only 12 nautical miles from the coast. Beyond this 12 nautical miles, no country can prohibit other country's shipping or overflight.
Freedom of Navigation

Chapter 3: Freedom of Navigation – Law of the Sea

Freedom of Navigation “Upon our naval and air patrol . . . falls the duty of maintaining the American policy of freedom of the seas, now.”1 – President Franklin D.

sites.tufts.edu

So there is no fear that, any other country can restrict our freedom of passage to high seas by any legal mean. Nor we can. The term 'sea locked' only important in a sense that, becoming it deny the country claiming the outer continental shelf which may be rich in fisheries and minerals. Our legal fight with India is only for this matter.

 

[bluesky]

200 nautical miles from the coast is called Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) and beyond that, countries can claim Continental shelf which is basically the extent to which the seabed, contiguous to the landmass, stretches. If the length of the seabed is shorter than 200 nm, say 150nm, then the combined EEZ-continental shelf would be up to 150nm. In Bangladesh's case, the seabed stretches up to 450nm, as Homo Sapiens stated earlier. Beyond the continental shelf (or the extent of the seabed) is what they call the deep sea or high sea.

Please read and understand the definition of Continental Shelf below. It is not in the deep sea but lies along a little distance away from the present seacoast. It does not exist in the deep sea. The news report, @Homo Sapiens as well as you-all are making mistakes.

Since the reporting description itself is incorrect, therefore, every other information tends to be incorrect. This is the first time I heard someone saying the Shelf lies in the deep sea. It certainly lies along the current seashore.

Continental Shelf
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf...UKEwjckbvw2YjwAhXN62EKHQYOAq4Q3eEDMAF6BAgDEAQ
"The area of seabed around a large land mass where the sea is relatively shallow compared with the open ocean. The continental shelf is geologically part of the continental crust".

 

[mb444]

Big deal... indias claim is tenuous and they know it. BD is a maritime nation and no court in the world will entertain an idea of a traditional sea fearing nation of 170m not having access to the deep sea.

 

[KurtisBrian]

stop being a drama queen. These kinds of disputes are a part of every country's relationship. In time they're either arbitrated or compromised.

good time to demand the moon. nobody needs Bangladesh. USA and gang need India vs China. Have them make everything you want legal according to them.

 

[leonblack08]

W
Whats surpsing is bengaldesh not listening to india

India claims all bay of bengal this isnt new

We all remember indian claims on new islands just miles off bengladesh shore

I guess haseena will get the memo soon

It's Bangladesh. Not Bengaldesh.

Intentional distortion of our country's name is unwarranted.

 

[Species]

Gray area between India and Bangladesh EEZ is relatively small(900 sq. km of water). According to verdict, India is entitled to get all the fishes there, while Bangladesh will get mineral resources. Means if any oil or gas is discovered in gray area, only Bangladesh is entitled to extract those resource.

Correct!

Secondly, there is no question of 'access to deep sea' as countries can not prohibit freedom of navigation or overflight within it's EEZ of any other country.

That's the tricky part, countries have their own interpretations of Freedom of Navigation and for India's interpretation you can refer to the recent USS John Paul Jones incident. India requires foreign vessels to inform them before entering their EEZ, indirectly reserving the right to control navigation in these waters.

Bay of Bengal and the Indian/Pacific Oceans at large are becoming a geopolitical hotspot specifically centered around securing the sea lines of communication.

Please read and understand the definition of Continental Shelf below. It is not in the deep sea but lies along a little distance away from the present seacoast. It does not exist in the deep sea. The news report, @Homo Sapiens as well as you-all are making mistakes.

Since the reporting description itself is incorrect, therefore, every other information has tended to be incorrect. This is the first time that I have heard someone saying the Shelf lies in the deep sea. It certainly lies along the current seashore.

Continental Shelf
https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf...UKEwjckbvw2YjwAhXN62EKHQYOAq4Q3eEDMAF6BAgDEAQ
"The area of seabed around a large land mass where the sea is relatively shallow compared with the open ocean. The continental shelf is geologically part of the continental crust".

Read my post again, I said the area "beyond" the continental shelf.

 

[Michael Corleone]

It's Bangladesh. Not Bengaldesh.

Intentional distortion of our country's name is unwarranted.

Hey pakistan is not pak ironically so

 

[newb3e]

india opposes existence of every country in Asia expect for china because sourmaas are pussy and got their arse handed to them by PLa soldiers with sticks! so yes bangladesh srilanka bhuttan nepal you belong to india until you kick their ***!

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

W
Whats surpsing is bengaldesh not listening to india

India claims all bay of bengal this isnt new

We all remember indian claims on new islands just miles off bengladesh shore

I guess haseena will get the memo soon

Bengal is part of India..and by extension India has also rights on Bay of Bengal

 

[Pakistan Ka Beta]

India opposes Bangladesh’s claim on deep sea

India on Friday registered its objection with the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf against a claim of Bangladesh on the...

www.newagebd.net

India opposes Bangladesh’s claim on deep sea
Diplomatic Correspondent | Published: 01:08, Apr 18,2021


India on Friday registered its objection with the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf against a claim of Bangladesh on the continental shelf in the Bay of Bengal, making resolution of the matter difficult, said foreign ministry officials.

The resolution of the Bangladesh’s claim on the continental shelf has been pending with the UN for about 13 years as Myanmar registered some observations on the claim involving outer continental shelf and Bangladesh too put an objection on record contesting the claim of India on the continental shelf, according to Bangladesh diplomats.

India put an objection on record, raising questions about the coordinates used by Bangladesh as a basis for its claim at the UN commission in New York for determining rights on the continental shelf, they said.

They believe that India registered the objection as a pressure tactic as Bangladesh declined to entertain a request to withdraw the objection contesting India’s claim on the continental shelf.

Bangladesh was unwilling to withdraw the objection on India’s claim at the UN commission as the next door neighbour was unwilling to resolve a dispute involving Bangladesh’s right on the ‘grey area’ in the deep sea, they said.

‘The Bangladesh government would submit a reply to the CLCS after examining the statement made by India,’ foreign ministry secretary for maritime affairs unit Md Khurshed Alam told New Age.
A suitable reply would also be submitted at the CLCS about the observations of Myanmar on the claim of Bangladesh in the continental shelf, he said.

Prime minister Sheikh Hasina raised the matter involving the disputes on the deep sea claims in a meeting with her Indian counterpart Narendra Modi on October 5, 2019 at Hyderabad House in New Delhi, Bangladesh diplomats said.

She handed over a map of the Bay of Bengal to the Indian side asking them to accept Bangladesh’s claim on a part of the ‘grey area’ in the deep sea. But the matter remained unresolved as the Indian side was seeking an speedy and unilateral withdrawal of Bangladesh’s objection with the United Nations contesting Indian claims involving the continental shelf, with keeping Bangladesh’s claim on the ‘grey area’ pending for an unlimited period, Bangladesh diplomats told New Age.

The judgements in the maritime delimitation cases involving Bangladesh and Myanmar in 2012 and between Bangladesh and India in 2014 have resulted in a ‘grey area’ in the northern Bay of Bengal involving intersecting and overlapping rights in terms of the exclusive economic zone and continental shelf regimes.

The disputes surfaced as India in 2009 submitted its claim on the continental shelf of the Bay of the Bengal cutting off Bangladesh’s access to the deep sea.
India in 2009 created another dispute with setting a coordinate 2.3 miles inside Bangladesh territory on the official maps India proposed.

Bangladesh immediately lodged separate objections with the United Nations on the matters as the maritime boundary delimitation between the two countries remained unresolved in 2009.
Bangladesh on February 25, 2011 submitted to the UN commission on the limits of the continental shelf beyond 200 nautical miles from the baseline from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured.

An arbitration proceeding with India came to an end in 2014 with a verdict fixing Bangladesh’s maritime border with the country. Bangladesh on March 30, 2016, submitted a list of geographical coordinates of points concerning the straight baseline for measuring the breadth of the territorial sea.

The coordinates of points are Land Boundary Terminus with India, Putney Island, Dakhin Bhsan Char, Cox’s Bazar and Southern end of St Martin’s Islands.

After two years of publishing the Bangladesh government document, India in 2017 raised its objections to the United Nations claiming that the base points used by Bangladesh for drawing the straight baselines ‘are at variance’ with the base points used in the award dated July 7, 2014 by the arbitral tribunal in the matter of Bay of Bengal maritime boundary arbitration between Bangladesh and India.

Myanmar lodged a submission to the United Nations in December 2008 to establish its claim on the deep sea from the west coast abutting the Bay of Bengal, including around the Preparis and Co Co Islands, which Bangladesh disputes.

Bangladesh objected to the Myanmar submission claiming that the areas Myanmar were seeking in the outer continental shelf form part of the natural prolongation of Bangladesh.
The cases on objections submitted by Bangladesh, India and Myanmar are still pending with the United Nations.

I reckon even a minimum compromise from Bangladesh would result in it being 'sea-locked', without an access to the deep sea.

Bangladesh's claims have so far been minimum, and that's the problem, When negotiating, you must always claim higher than what is due, just like what India and Myanmar is doing.

Leave it. There is a reason why Indian's are universally known as Creepy stalkers.

The irony was apparent to some including myself, but this being Ramzan, people aren't interested in ongoing hair-splitting spirited debates...

And India's investments in Bangladesh are minimal and especially compared to China, it is peanuts.

Bangladesh' industrial sector is mostly homegrown and invested on by locals.

@Atlas and @Homo Sapiens bhais would you agree?

The alliance between India and USA will over soon( or maybe already over) , India already attended military parade in Myanmar.

Now is India trying to be supa pow with the help of China instead of USA?

If this the case , then the bay of bengal is going to be the center of power game instead of south China Sea.

However don't jump , because the fate of your country is remain supa pow of Mahabharata instead of real life super power.

So doesn't matter between USA and China whom India will serve , in the end it will remain only the foot soldier, and will never become elite cavalier!

However although I am against India, still if USA want to make the bay of bengal as center of power game and want Bangladesh in it's block , still I don't want to Bangladesh joining in western block , as in the long run it will harm Bangladesh.

So either Bangladesh should remain neutral or will join Chinese block.

Because even if India seek help from China, still India will always remain foot soldier of big powers.

Of course @Bilal9 bhai, I agree with you. I also believe that the last thing we need is Indian investment in our country. Let their investment remain very small amount. We also either should stop buying Indian goods or should put higher tax.

And what's the benefit if they invest? They don't understand business. They wanted to by dsc stock buy force in much lower price.

It's Bangladesh. Not Bengaldesh.

Intentional distortion of our country's name is unwarranted.

Hey pakistan is not pak ironically so

Respectable brothers . Bangladesh should invest in its Army , Air Force , Navy and Paramilitary for whats coming from India , from USA n China rivalry as Indian ambitions are of regional hegemony . Pakistan has no land border or any other issue with Bangladesh . 50 years has past after 1971 so Bangladesh must be careful in dealing with India .

You may find images on internet or videos on You tube about Greater India that contains Pakistan , Bangladesh , Nepal e.t.c so their ultimate goal is that .