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China too withdrawing troops from Doklam, disengagement process almost complete, India says

IndiaToday.in | New Delhi | Monday, August 28, 2017

India on Monday released a second statement on the Doklam standoff to say that China too was withdrawing its troops from the face-off site where Indian and Chinese soldiers have been squaring off for over two months

HIGHLIGHTS
  • India, China both withdrawing troops from Doklam: MEA
  • Disengagement process almost complete: MEA
  • China had earlier refused to confirm whether it too was withdrawing from Doklam.
Around 75 days after Indian and Chinese soldiers entered a what became a high-stakes standoff on the Doklam plateau, which abuts the Indo-Sino border in the Sikkim sector, the two sides have "almost completed" withdrawing their troops from the region, the Ministry of External Affairs indicated Monday evening.

The MEA said this in an extraordinary second press release issued on the topic mere hours after spokesperson Raveesh Kumar first released a statement at around noon, announcing that "expeditious disengagement of border personnel at the face-off site in Doklam has been agreed to [between India and China] and is on-going."

The wording of the MEA's first statement and subsequent comments by the Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying, however, raised questions about whether it was a mutual withdrawal of border troops, a solution that New Delhi preferred, or if it was only the Indian troops that were withdrawing from the area.

Speaking in Beijing, Hua said that China is pleased over India's withdrawal in Doklam (which China calls Donglang) but stated that Chinese troops will "remain in the region" and exercise their "sovereignty over the region".

"In the afternoon of August 28, the Indian side pulled back all the Indian troops and equipment to the Indian side of the boundary and the Chinese personnel have verified this," Hua said. "The Chinese side will continue to exercise its sovereignty and uphold its territorial integrity in accordance with historical conventions."

Asked if the disengagement was from both sides, Hua repeated the same statement. "Just now you mentioned that the Indian side has said it is a mutual engagement, but I want to stress that India has withdrawn all the personnel and equipment to the Indian side of the boundary. Chinese personnel on the ground has verified this and Chinese border troops continue to patrol in the Donglang area."

China, however, did indicate that there was a change taking place at the standoff site on the Doklam plateau. "In the light of the changes of the situation on the ground China will make necessary adjustment and deployment," the foreign ministry spokesperson Hua said.

With China refusing to expressly state that its border troops would too withdraw from the Doklam standoff site, speculation over whether it was a loss of face for India continued.

SECOND STATEMENT

The MEA, however, has seemingly sought to shut down such speculation, taking the unusual step of releasing a second statement on the issue. The second statement is clearer in saying that soldiers of both India and China had, earlier in the day, begun an "expeditious disengagement" at Doklam. "This process has since been almost completed under verification," the statement added.

It added that India has always maintained that differences on boundary issues can only be resolved through diplomatic channels, reiterating the point made earlier by India that behind-the-scenes diplomatic parlays were what played a role in resolving the weeks-long Doklam standoff.

Notably, China all along has maintained that Beijing would not even enter into diplomatic dialogue with New Delhi until Indian troops 'unconditionally withdrew' from the Doklam standoff site. India, however, seems to have clearly stated that not only was diplomatic contact with China maintained during the Doklam crisis but also that the diplomacy had successfully managed to help the two nuclear-armed neighbours agree to mutually withdraw from the face-off site, a solution that New Delhi had preferred all along.

THE ROAD NOT MENTIONED

Neither India's two statement nor the Chinese foriegn ministry made any reference to the metal-top road in the Doklam region, the construction of which had sparked the over two-month-long Doklam standoff in the first place.

India had said that the Chinese construction in an area contested between China and Bhutan violated agreements between Beijing and Thimpu and, perhaps more importantly from New Delhi's perspective, had serious security implications for India.

India feared that a metal-top road in the Doklam region could help China bring itself closer to the so-called Chicken's Neck that connects India to its Northeast. In case of a military conflict, China could move to cut India off from the Northeast, New Delhi feared.

China, on the other hand, claimed Dolkam to be its sovereign territory and said that it building a road in the region was completely lawful.

What happens to the road remains unclear - at least officially. Sources have informed India Today that China has indeed agreed not to construct a road in the region.

THE STANDOFF

The standoff began mid-June after Bhutan border guards spotted Chinese People's Liberation Army personnel constructing a metal-top road on the Doklam plateau.

India sent its troops into the region to prevent the Chinese construction activity, a move that resulted in the soldiers from the two sides pitching tents on their respective sides and entering into a face-off that would continue for weeks to come.

Diplomatically the issue soon heated up with Beijing strongly asserting that it saw no solution to the standoff except an unconditional withdrawal by India. New Delhi, for its part, said that a mutual withdrawal was the best possible solution and indicated on several occasions that diplomatic parlays to diffuse the crisis were on.

The Doklam standoff was marked by its length and by the particularly rhetorical tone that Chinese media took on the issue. Chinese state media kept up a barrage of near-daily articles and opinion pieces either slamming and discrediting India's stand on Doklam and, on occasion, even warning of war.

Am I the only one happy that India is going to continue the confrontation?
 
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Between India and China, who won in Doklam? World media seems divided

The difference in the official stand of both India and China is also reflected in global media's reporting on the Doklam dispute.
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HIGHLIGHTS
  • The MEA today announced "expeditious disengagement of border personnel" at Doklam.
  • India always maintained it is through diplomatic channels such matters can be addressed, MEA said.
  • India's official statement is in contrast to the what the Chinese Foreign Ministry said on Doklam
The Ministry of External Affairs today announced "expeditious disengagement of border personnel" at Doklam, signalling that the months-long standoff at the disputed India-China-Bhutan trijunction has come to an end.

In response to queries on Doklam disengagement, the Ministry of External Affairs said, "India has always maintained that it is only through diplomatic channels such matters can be addressed. Our principled position is that agreements and understandings reached on boundary issues must be scrupulously respected".

India's official statement is in contrast to the what the Chinese Foreign Ministry said on Doklam, insisting that India has withdrawn troops from Doklam while Chinese troops will "remain in the region" and exercise their "sovereignty over the region".

This difference in the stand on Doklam between India and China is also reflected by the global media which has reported extensively on the border dispute.

BBC: The BBC, in its report titled 'China claims victory over India in Himalayan border row', says that "China says India has withdrawn troops from a disputed Himalayan border area, ending a tense stand-off lasting weeks".

The BBC report says that India's foreign ministry confirmed troops were "disengaging" at Doklam after agreement between the two countries.

The Washington Post: In the report titled 'India withdraws troops from disputed Himalayan region, defusing tension with China', Simon Denyer and Annie Gowen write, "India has begun withdrawing troops from a disputed Himalayan region on the border with China, foreign ministries from the two countries announced on Monday".

"China had repeatedly and furiously denounced the Indian move as a direct infringement of its sovereignty, demanded an immediate and unconditional withdrawal, and warned that conflict was a real possibility of that didn't happen," the The Washington Post report says.

The report then goes on to state that it was "unclear if Beijing offered any concessions in return, such as agreeing to halt the construction of the road".

The New York Times: The New York Times, in its report titled 'China and India Agree to Ease Tensions in Border Dispute' quotes the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) statement on both countries agreeing to disengagement of border personnel at Doklam.

The report, however, states that the "Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirmed the agreement on Monday, though it vowed to continue to patrol the disputed area".

The report by Javier C Hernandez says that it was not immediately clear if "Chinese and Indian officials had made progress toward a permanent solution".

CNN: The CNN report by James Griffiths says both India and China have "agreed to deescalate a months-long territorial standoff in the Himalayas, ahead of a major economic summit involving both countries".

The report quotes China's official Xinhua news agency as saying that India had withdrawn its personnel and equipment "that had crossed the border back to the Indian side".

The CNN report titled 'India, China agree to 'expeditious disengagement' of Doklam border dispute' says the standoff was "sparked after Bhutan accused China of constructing a road inside its territory in 'direct violation' of treaty obligations. China, which does not have formal diplomatic relations with Bhutan, denied the accusation, contending that Doklam is part of Chinese territory".
 
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The two sides should be happy that a potential conflict was averted!Whats more to celebrate? The outside region powers are definitely disappointed.Most of us "in region" ppl were rooting for peace unless u wanna go by online warriors mentality.
 
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The two sides should be happy that a potential conflict was averted!Whats more to celebrate? The outside region powers are definitely disappointed.Most of us "in region" ppl were rooting for peace unless u wanna go by online warriors mentality.
I am trying to reach out to the Bharati humiliated by their unilateral withdraw. Assure them their shupa powa dream lives because India has now directly declared that they expect PLA to withdraw even though China already said no. I share their desire for India to fight on. They desire India to win and become shupa powa. I desire blood from Indians not capitulation. We share common ground!
 
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I am trying to reach out to the Bharati humiliated by their unilateral withdraw. Assure them their shupa powa dream lives because India has now directly declared that they expect PLA to withdraw even though China already said no. I share their desire for India to fight on. They desire India to win and become shupa powa. I desire blood from Indians not capitulation. We share common ground!


So much hatred false flag Pakistani! Bharati? Its the word used by only few people from Pakistan. Go and blow yourself up after humiliating defeat by you master. So much cheerleading did not work for you.

For two months we inserted a big bamboo inside your master's back and they could not do anything other than crying.

This time only difference from 1971 is that there was no surrender ceremony like we did in Dhaka. It was big slap on your masters face. lol

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...t-from-face-off-site/articleshow/60262735.cms

China removes road-building equipment from face-off site
 
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Indian troops can swiftly intervene if China attempts to build road at Doklam again

Indian troops are now once again sitting pretty in a militarily advantageous position at their Doka La outpost on the Sikkim border, having almost completed their withdrawal from the Doklamface-off site by Monday evening.

From the Doka La post, the Indian soldiers will continue to keep a hawk-eye on the Doklam bowl - which is Bhutanese territory but claimed by China - less than 500 meters away down the ridge slope.

"Our soldiers sit on the top, hold the ridge and can swiftly intervene, as they pro-actively did in mid-June, if the People's Liberation Army once again tries to unilaterally change the status quo by constructing a road near the Sikkim-Bhutan-Tibet tri-junction," said a source.

The defence establishment here believes it has unequivocally proved its point to China that it will not allow the PLA to extend its motorable track towards the Jampheri (Zomplri) Ridge, which is "militarily very sensitive" because it overlooks India's vulnerable Siliguri corridor or the "Chicken's Neck" area.

It was on June 16 that Indian soldiers had come down from Doka La to physically prevent Chinese troops, armed with heavy earth-moving equipment, from constructing the road in the Doklam area, which is disputed between Beijing and Thimphu.

Great news! Indian Army will not accept MEA's capitulation and they will fight on until they are annihilated by PLA rocket artillery!
 
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lol this forum is the only place u lot can win
 
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lol this forum is the only place u lot can win
C'mon. As a Chinese, I can say China did not win the Doklam confrontation despite what some other Chinese say. The confrontation only just started! The reason is because the two sides have completely clashing expectations about the withdrawal. As soon as China starts building the road, India will make a move! IA was fooled by MEA into thinking China agreed to stop building. Of course no such thing. China was just waiting for Indian retreat to resume or finish building.
 
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So, in real life, India wins against China right?

Like with the NSG seat? The 1962 war? CPEC? The UNSC seat? Trade? Where?
Rawat has the balls to say if China builds then IA is going back. The gauntlet is throw down! Indians have the advantage! Now the ball is in our court to retaliate or else they win.
 
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So, in real life, India wins against China right?

Like with the NSG seat? The 1962 war? CPEC? The UNSC seat? Trade? Where?
dumba$$ i was talking about this topic isnt it obvious u guys agreed to what we wanted and as far as patrolling (which u were doing from decades) wasnt even questioned
 
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dumba$$ i was talking about this topic isnt it obvious u guys agreed to what we wanted and as far as patrolling (which u were doing from decades) wasnt even questioned

India unilaterally withdrew all their troops, without getting ANY promises from China regarding the road construction. Leaving Chinese soldiers and garrisons in control of Donglang.

Which means they are relying on China's "good will" to stop road construction, which worked so well with CPEC and the South China Sea, right? :P
 
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India unilaterally withdrew all their troops, without getting ANY promises from China regarding the road construction. Which means they are relying on China's "good will" to stop road construction, which worked so well with CPEC and the South China Sea, right? :P
u can twist and turn for all day but deep down u know its over :wave::wave:
 
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u can twist and turn for all day but deep down u know its over :wave::wave:

Yes it is over. Chinese troops control Donglang, Indian troops have all withdrawn.

And China has not given a single promise to India on anything to do with roads, or anything else. If we continue building the road, there is nothing India can do, they surrendered their strategic positions when they withdrew.
 
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