India not seeking Iran oil waiver from U.S.: official

[rubyjackass]

There are several ways of doing this and most posters here don't realize this. You don't have to stop buying oil from Iran, rather if you show that you have significantly reduced transactions, be it oil or others, with Iran; you are in compliance for a waiver.

Also, if you follow what's really taking place, you will notice that every country that cares to deal with the US economically is reducing their footprint in Iran thanks to KSA offering to make up for their ' decreasing oil contracts with Iran' .

What Indians have to realize is why Iran having nukes is dangerous. You know Iran funds terrorist organizations , yes? I presume you know that. Now imagine them having nukes as a deterrent to not safeguard their soverignity rather to safeguard their continued promotion of terrorism. India of all countries should know this better that anyone. You are the example of what happens to a country when your enemy has nukes and keeps sending terrorists across your Kashmir borders.

Firstly India does not believe Iran having nukes is anymore dangerous than say Turkey or Ireland getting nukes. India is against proliferation in all forms. If India could tolerate a nuclear Pakistan, Iran is cakewalk. Also most Indians don't believe Iran is a sponsor of terrorism. You might want to know that very few countries apart from your's call Hamaas and Hezbollah terrorist organizations. Iran is not meddling in Kashmir as you allege. Besides Iran itself is a victim of sectarian terrorism from groups like Jundullah which of late is in news for allegedly getting funded from Israel. Iran gives weight to calls for Kashmiri self-determination as much as USA calls for it. That is not reason enough to get hurt with this.
Are there anymore points you want to add? Ohh and India is not paranoid of any derivatives of the word 'Islam'.

 

[Yaduveer]

@smarterthan'me' India imports almost 80% of oil and Iran is the second largest exporter to India,From where the hell India will get replacement ? Either USA should export this much of crude to India or let India continue it's cars running by Iran oil.

 

[Smarterthanyou]

Firstly India does not believe Iran having nukes is anymore dangerous than say Turkey or Ireland getting nukes. India is against proliferation in all forms. If India could tolerate a nuclear Pakistan, Iran is cakewalk. Also most Indians don't believe Iran is a sponsor of terrorism. You might want to know that very few countries apart from your's call Hamaas and Hezbollah terrorist organizations. Iran is not meddling in Kashmir as you allege. Besides Iran itself is a victim of sectarian terrorism from groups like Jundullah which of late is in news for allegedly getting funded from Israel. Iran gives weight to calls for Kashmiri self-determination as much as USA calls for it. That is not reason enough to get hurt with this.
Are there anymore points you want to add? Ohh and India is not paranoid of any derivatives of the word 'Islam'.

Did India vote against Iran in the UN? if yes, then they are concerned about its nuclear program being a step to achieving nuclear weapons. Does India agree with Hamas and Hezbullah blowing up people with suicide bombings? if not, then it agrees it's an terrorist organization. It may not list it as one because they are yet to send their terrorists to your part of the world. US stance is Kashmir is none of our business and that India and Pakistan need to sort it out among themselves. Iran believes that Kashmir is not a part of India ( big difference). Lastly, you don't understand the ramification of Iran going nuclear on it's neighbor. If they do then all of middle east will go nuclear too. If you are concerned about proliferation , then look no further than Iran, besides your neighbor. Anything else you would like to add?

India objects to Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s Zionist label India objects to Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei?s Zionist label - Economic Times

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@smarterthan'me' India imports almost 80% of oil and Iran is the second largest exporter to India,From where the hell India will get replacement ? Either USA should export this much of crude to India or let India continue it's cars running by Iran oil.

Saudi Arabia - they have offered every country to pick up the slack.

 

[livingdead]

Did India vote against Iran in the UN? if yes, then they are concerned about its nuclear program being a step to achieving nuclear weapons. Does India agree with Hamas and Hezbullah blowing up people with suicide bombings? if not, then it agrees it's an terrorist organization. It may not list it as one because they are yet to send their terrorists to your part of the world. US stance is Kashmir is none of our business and that India and Pakistan need to sort it out among themselves. Iran believes that Kashmir is not a part of India ( big difference). Lastly, you don't understand the ramification of Iran going nuclear on it's neighbor. If they do then all of middle east will go nuclear too. If you are concerned about proliferation , then look no further than Iran, besides your neighbor. Anything else you would like to add?

India objects to Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s Zionist label India objects to Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei?s Zionist label - Economic Times

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Saudi Arabia - they have offered every country to pick up the slack.

America's concern about proliferation in ME is because they will lose dominance there, Probably it is a threat to Israel too, a close ally.
How is nuclear ME a threat to India?

Two of our neighbours are nuclear armed already. We will be worse off only if other immediate neighbours go nuclear.

 

[rubyjackass]

Did India vote against Iran in the UN? if yes, then they are concerned about its nuclear program being a step to achieving nuclear weapons.

India did vote against Iran twice in the UN. Well India is concerned about its nuclear program. But India does not go about threatening Iran with war. Heck India did not threaten Pakistan when it was going nuclear.

Does India agree with Hamas and Hezbullah blowing up people with suicide bombings? if not, then it agrees it's an terrorist organization. It may not list it as one because they are yet to send their terrorists to your part of the world.

Obviously India would condemn every kind of violence internationally as per the public statements put out by the foreign office. However Hamaas and Hezbollah are legitimate political representatives of their respective peoples. These organizations are primarily nationalistic albeit with an Islamic bent. They are not exporters of the Islamic ideology or part of the Ummah yahoos.

US stance is Kashmir is none of our business and that India and Pakistan need to sort it out among themselves. Iran believes that Kashmir is not a part of India ( big difference). Lastly, you don't understand the ramification of Iran going nuclear on it's neighbor. If they do then all of middle east will go nuclear too. If you are concerned about proliferation , then look no further than Iran, besides your neighbor. Anything else you would like to add?

India objects to Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s Zionist label India objects to Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei?s Zionist label - Economic Times
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Saudi Arabia - they have offered every country to pick up the slack.

US's stance on Kashmir is not 'none of our business'. They keep calling for 'self-determination for Kashmir'. US also(deliberately or not) encourages the secessionists organize in US. This in itself is not in violation of any law and is in fact consistent with human rights. But it means the issue of Kashmir will be tossed around like a pancake, keeping the issue alive. My point is Iran with all its rhetoric does less damage to India's standing on Kashmir(as seen by the government) when compared to USA. Even Khamenei sometimes has to prove that he is radical muslim enough. How is he any different from your conservatives, say your presidential(primary) candidate Newt Gingrich, when he said 'Palestinians are an invented people'.

And regarding your fears of entire middle east going nuclear. Again India should be concerned only by proliferation in general and not proliferation by whom. Let me remind you that India refused to sign CTBT and NPT on the grounds that they divide the world into the nuclear haves and nuclear have-nots, but that they do not solve the real problem of proliferation. History shows that countries which got nuclear weapons have used it only as deterrence, and have acted maturely once they got the weapons. So what if Saudi Arabia goes nuclear? In any case, states are sovereign and India will not accept running over any country to deter them from going nuclear. Besides, on the practical side, the other obsessive compulsive world policemen will take care of such eventuality. :^P

 

[Smarterthanyou]

India did vote against Iran twice in the UN. Well India is concerned about its nuclear program. But India does not go about threatening Iran with war. Heck India did not threaten Pakistan when it was going nuclear.
Obviously India would condemn every kind of violence internationally as per the public statements put out by the foreign office. However Hamaas and Hezbollah are legitimate political representatives of their respective peoples. These organizations are primarily nationalistic albeit with an Islamic bent. They are not exporters of the Islamic ideology or part of the Ummah yahoos.



US's stance on Kashmir is not 'none of our business'. They keep calling for 'self-determination for Kashmir'. US also(deliberately or not) encourages the secessionists organize in US. This in itself is not in violation of any law and is in fact consistent with human rights. But it means the issue of Kashmir will be tossed around like a pancake, keeping the issue alive. My point is Iran with all its rhetoric does less damage to India's standing on Kashmir(as seen by the government) when compared to USA. Even Khamenei sometimes has to prove that he is radical muslim enough. How is he any different from your conservatives, say your presidential(primary) candidate Newt Gingrich, when he said 'Palestinians are an invented people'.

And regarding your fears of entire middle east going nuclear. Again India should be concerned only by proliferation in general and not proliferation by whom. Let me remind you that India refused to sign CTBT and NPT on the grounds that they divide the world into the nuclear haves and nuclear have-nots, but that they do not solve the real problem of proliferation. History shows that countries which got nuclear weapons have used it only as deterrence, and have acted maturely once they got the weapons. So what if Saudi Arabia goes nuclear? In any case, states are sovereign and India will not accept running over any country to deter them from going nuclear. Besides, on the practical side, the other obsessive compulsive world policemen will take care of such eventuality. :^P

You have shown not to have an iota of knowledge of ground realities so far. You claimed at first that India had no issue about Iran going nuclear (weapons) and when I point it out they do, you remarkably go into a dissertation about something else above.

You then call Hamas.hizb as some freedom fighting noble struggle albeit ones who bomb civilians with sucide vests but yet you complain about Pakistan's ' freedom fighters ' asking why the US did not do more. You claim to falsely assert the US stance on Kashmir and finally you show a complete lack of understanding why India refused to sign the NPT. The reason being not because they want or don't care if there are more countries who go nuclear, rather because the NPT stops a few years short of when India went nuclear. Finally, India not being more aggressive about Pakistan's nuclear program is debated as the biggest folly within Indian think tank and politic circles. That statement India did not care if they went nuclear is ignorant. Seems like I know more about your country that you do.

 

[ephone]

Well, if that is the case, indian government does have some guts.

NEW DELHI | Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:49am EST

(Reuters) - India is not seeking a waiver from the United States that would protect buyers of Iranian oil from a fresh round of sanctions and New Delhi continues to import from Tehran, Indian Foreign Secretary Ranjan Mathai said on Tuesday.

New U.S. sanctions, authorized on December 31 and which penalize any financial institutions dealing with Iran's central bank, could make it more difficult for India to pay Iran for oil imports and a delegation is currently in Tehran for talks.

The U.S. move still allows waivers for firms in countries that significantly reduce dealings with Iran, or at any time when it is either in the U.S. national interest or necessary for energy market stability.

Japan, South Korea and Turkey have all said they could seek waivers.

But Mathai said New Delhi was not seeking an exemption and implied it did not see the new sanctions as binding.

"We have accepted sanctions which are made by the United Nations. Other sanctions do not apply to individual countries," Ranjan Mathai told reporters.

"We continue to buy oil from Iran."

Asia's third-largest economy is striving to balance the need to keep importing about $12 billion of Iranian crude annually with avoiding upsetting warming ties with Washington.

The United States and its allies in Europe and elsewhere are putting pressure on Iran to curb a nuclear program they worry is aimed at developing an atom bomb. Iran says its goal is to produce nuclear power.

Previous sanctions already made it harder for India to import the 350,000-400,000 barrels per day (bpd) it buys from Iran, about 12 percent of its oil needs. In 2010, the central bank scrapped a long-standing clearance mechanism, triggering a scramble by importers to find a new way to pay.

Since last year, Turkey's Halkbank has routed India's payments to Iran, but that conduit is seen by the government as unstable in the face of the latest U.S. sanctions.

Halkbank has already refused to open an account for state-run Bharat Petroleum Corp for oil from Iran.

An Indian official delegation is now in Tehran trying to find a way to continue the oil trade.

"A ... delegation is on its way to work out the mechanism for continued purchase of oil from Iran and to work out the financing mechanism," Mathai said.