India is the Last BRIC standing

[Chinese-Dragon]

china is successor of qing dynasty which was not ethnic chinese.
qing were as much as chinese as were mughals but we Indians consider ourselves successor of marathas who defeated mughals but chinese worship their invaders.

Manchus are ethnic Chinese. In fact they are completely Chinese.

There is no nation called "Manchuria", it is all within China. They speak Chinese, they follow Chinese customs, in fact you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference if you met one. There are only about 70 remaining native Manchu speakers in the entire world, the rest of them all speak Chinese as their first (and often only) language.

Manchus are Chinese. Ask them yourself.

Whereas British have not become Indians. It's the other way around, in fact, English is now the de facto national language of India.

 

[Kyoto]

china is successor of qing dynasty which was not ethnic chinese.
qing were as much as chinese as were mughals but we Indians consider ourselves successor of marathas who defeated mughals but chinese worship their invaders.

Wow you guys can go on and on praising your great nation's historical wealth.

 

[Abotani]

Officially Brits too succeeded Mughals, Queen Victoria succeeded Bahadur Shah Zafar.

The part in bold just points to the fact that the very identity of India is shaped by outsiders.The brits were invaders,the mughals were,the various muslim dynasties were,the various other groups that conquered India were..all the way back to the Aryan invasion of India.
This just makes it as clear as daylight that India was never one country and its identity was shaped by outside invaders.Congrats on admitting that India is creation of the brits.Hindustan of mughals and whatever other name was most likely given by invaders as well.

 

[Yogijaat]

Manchus are ethnic Chinese. In fact they are completely Chinese.

There is no nation called "Manchuria", it is all within China. They speak Chinese, they follow Chinese customs, in fact you wouldn't even be able to tell the difference if you met one. There are only about 70 remaining native Manchu speakers in the entire world, the rest of them all speak Chinese as their first (and often only) language.

Manchus are Chinese. Ask them yourself.

Whereas British have not become Indians. It's the other way around, in fact, English is now the de facto national language of India.

Are they Hans?
Only one thing that unites china is ethnic similarity. There is no china without Han.

 

[Shark2]

china is successor of qing dynasty which was not ethnic chinese.
qing were as much as chinese as were mughals but we Indians consider ourselves successor of marathas who defeated mughals but chinese worship their invaders.

There are a lot of similarities between Chinese and Pakistanis as both people still worship foreign invaders like the Manchus and Arabs.
On the other hand many Indians still celebrate Bappa Rawal or Vikramaditya of the Chalukya Dynasty who defeated the Arab invaders in the 8th century or Shivaji Maharaj and Baji Rao who destroyed the Mughals.

 

[Yogijaat]

The part in bold just points to the fact that the very identity of India is shaped by outsiders.The brits were invaders,the mughals were,the various muslim dynasties were,the various other groups that conquered India were..all the way back to the Aryan invasion of India.
This just makes it as clear as daylight that India was never one country and its identity was shaped by outside invaders.Congrats on admitting that India is creation of the brits.Hindustan of mughals and whatever other name was most likely given by invaders as well.

even the name china is given by the outsiders
and han chinese never ruled all the territories of present day china.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Are they Hans?
Only one thing that unites china is ethnic similarity. There is no china without Han.

They are ethnic Chinese. There are 56 Chinese ethnic groups.

The Han are the largest, but many of the other groups are very similar to the Han.

Even Chinese locals like myself wouldn't be able to tell you if someone was an ethnic Han/Manchu/Zhuang on sight, especially if Chinese is their mother tongue (which is very often the case).

That's what happens when a nation grows over thousands of years.

India on the hand was hastily cobbled together by the British only in recent history.

 

[INDIC]

The part in bold just points to the fact that the very identity of India is shaped by outsiders.The brits were invaders,the mughals were,the various muslim dynasties were,the various other groups that conquered India were..all the way back to the Aryan invasion of India.
This just makes it as clear as daylight that India was never one country and its identity was shaped by outside invaders.Congrats on admitting that India is creation of the brits.Hindustan of mughals and whatever other name was most likely given by invaders as well.

There is no country in the keeping the same shape or staying united throughout history, China is the best example of that. Chinese making fake claims is a different thing. Although modern India is the territory handed over by Brits after the power transfer but India is is a well known historical country.

 

[INDIC]

They are ethnic Chinese. There are 56 Chinese ethnic groups.

The Han are the largest, but many of the other groups are very similar to the Han.

Even Chinese locals like myself wouldn't be able to tell you if someone was an ethnic Han/Manchu/Zhuang on sight, especially if Chinese is their mother tongue (which is very often the case).

That's what happens when a nation grows over thousands of years.

India on the hand was hastily cobbled together by the British only in recent history.

Did they ever consider themselves culturally the part of Chinese civilization, I believe the answer is no. Modern China is the cocktail of many unrelated ancient nations controlled by Han supremacy.

 

[Yogijaat]

There are a lot of similarities between Chinese and Pakistanis as both people still worship foreign invaders like the Manchus and Arabs.
On the other hand many Indians still celebrate Bappa Rawal or Vikramaditya of the Chalukya Dynasty who defeated the Arab invaders in the 8th century or Shivaji Maharaj and Baji Rao who destroyed the Mughals.

because they were incapable of ruling their lands so they needed foreigners like qing and yuan dynasty. Only these two dynasties were able to rule all the territories of present day china while our kings always fought against foreigners and never accepted their domination.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Did they ever consider themselves culturally the part of Chinese civilization, I believe the answer is no. Modern China is the cocktail of many unrelated ancient nations with Han supremacy.

Yes they do.

Come to China, and ask anyone of Manchu ethnic descent what they primary identity is. The answer will be "Chinese" in pretty much every case.

It was the Manchus themselves who originally sought to emulate Han culture, and they succeeded. They changed their customs, their language, their identity to Chinese, over hundreds of years.

 

[INDIC]

Are they Hans?
Only one thing that unites china is ethnic similarity. There is no china without Han.

They also Northern Han and Southern Han issues.

 

[Yogijaat]

They are ethnic Chinese. There are 56 Chinese ethnic groups.

The Han are the largest, but many of the other groups are very similar to the Han.

Even Chinese locals like myself wouldn't be able to tell you if someone was an ethnic Han/Manchu/Zhuang on sight, especially if Chinese is their mother tongue (which is very often the case).

That's what happens when a nation grows over thousands of years.

India on the hand was hastily cobbled together by the British only in recent history.

LOL one chinese is saying that 90 % of their nationals are of same ethnicity and other one is saying that we are a diverse country

 

[INDIC]

Yes they do.

Come to China, and ask anyone of Manchu ethnic descent what they primary identity is. The answer will be "Chinese" in pretty much every case.

It was the Manchus themselves who originally sought to emulate Han culture, in fact they changed themselves into Chinese.

That's not true, they are just conquered and subjugated people and their homeland flooded by Han Chinese which became historical Chinese land.

 

[INDIC]

Don't tell me Indian historical facts are base on Foreign sources.

What are you referring to my Tang Chinese pal. I didn't get you.