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India is ready to abandon the Su-57 and focus on buying the American F-35

The best move for India would've been to not purchase the S-400 and instead join the F-35 program. I know that's what Lockheed Martin wanted for a very long time. But given the S-400 purchase, this is now impossible. The only alternative is the Su-57/FGFA ... the plane India dreads.

If India can't afford to buy and maintain the f35 then no country in the world can afford them outside of Usa China and Japan..

India has the 5th largest GDP the fifth largest military budget on the planet and over 520 billion in forex reserves of nearly twice the entire Pakistan annual.gdp .

So now ask can India afford f35
It is not a matter of India can afford them or has the appropriate maintenance infrastructure to support them.
 
If India can't afford to buy and maintain the f35 then no country in the world can afford them outside of Usa China and Japan..

India has the 5th largest GDP the fifth largest military budget on the planet and over 520 billion in forex reserves of nearly twice the entire Pakistan annual.gdp .

So now ask can India afford f35
LOL your logic is way off man.

Why public in India living in those conditons.?why it's not better than japan.eu really etc?
Stop jumping about gdp .what is this craze about Pakistan?you have fifth largest budget in the world and still got pants down by PAF .....
 
Why bother to even reply??? They can daily masturbate on Typhoons, F-16 Block 72, Sukhoi 35 in that new fighter for PAF doctrine thread when their country is actually even unable to pay the interest on the loans it has taken.... But yes India sure cant even afford 2-3 squadrons of F-35....economics and PDF fanboys have no connection with each other.....
S-400 you're buying:p::azn:;):enjoy: remember Turkey case:angel:
 
Both Usa and Russia have been throwing their fifth generation fighters at India for years now. But on their terms

Ie Russia wants India to part fund further improvements costing billions

Usa wants India to attach to f35 Usa military complex and drop s400.

What a great position to be in

India will need to think long and hard
 
India acquire several hundred 5th generations? If one Su-57 will cost around $150 million US dollars to buy with some individual parts and supplies, just 100 orders will be 15,000 million dollars, this is already 15 billion dollars not several billion. Several hundred of this is more than 200 so let's say 250 units. That's 37.5 billion dollars. India's already increased defence spending in 2019 and economy is troubled and 2019 defense total spending is 71 Billion. So it needs to spend more than half on such a purchase. This is impossible since most of spending is in maintaining existing things and includes so many areas where money need to spend like feeding soldiers salaries and other purchase or even fixing and service of equipment. Usually new purchase is 15% to 30% of total and spread between airforce army and navy. This is more than 50% in just one single airforce area.

India can choose hundred or more Rafale, hundred Su-57, or AMCA. Not all three and hardly even two. However more aircraft purchase is welcome by enemies because can they support can they maintain all three high performance and sacrifice funding for other areas? Fighters useless when airfields are all gone and supply of parts and weapons cut or factories bombed.
 
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india is a wimp and an unreliable partner that abandons partners when going gets tough
 
Both Usa and Russia have been throwing their fifth generation fighters at India for years now. But on their terms

Ie Russia wants India to part fund further improvements costing billions

Usa wants India to attach to f35 Usa military complex and drop s400.

What a great position to be in

India will need to think long and hard
US is off the table ... only seller is Russia now. Your position got much worse thanks to the purchase of the S-400.

india is a wimp and an unreliable partner that abandons partners when going gets tough
India is a junior partner to either the US or Russia anyways ... it doesn't really matter if they are reliable.
 
If Turkey can't get them because of S400 then no chance for India.
Lol that's why They sanctioned export of T-129 for Turkey but they have no problem with India exporting Jet trainer using American Engines.

Does India have financial means to operate and sustain eco system for f-35?
That's very hard to say yes.

Buying aircraft and operating is totally different ball game.will US also provide all the weaponry with it?like advanced missiles and smart bombs. Nah.not yet,until they have something more Superior.

Anyway it's just news for bhindian public to masturbate on.
Yup that's why they sold P8-i & Gave Their own MH-60 to Indian navy with Most advanced Harpoon & LRASM varient & Even Agreed to give the source code & asked India to Integrate it's own missiles in P8-i Neptune.
They asked us to consider Tomahawk but we are developing our own LRALCM.

The best move for India would've been to not purchase the S-400 and instead join the F-35 program. I know that's what Lockheed Martin wanted for a very long time. But given the S-400 purchase, this is now impossible. The only alternative is the Su-57/FGFA ... the plane India dreads.


It is not a matter of India can afford them or has the appropriate maintenance infrastructure to support them.
India is working on development of world latest Aircraft & Ship maintenance facilities.
Indian ship building Industries repair American, Vietnamese, Burmese & Philippines Naval Ships.
Indian industries are now building many parts for American military complex, such as Fuselage of Chinook & Apache, wings of F-16.
Soon we'll start building fuselage of MH-60.
But we can't maintain & repair a single engine plane which even countries like Denmark & Netherlands can.
 
it will be blessing actually.... we ll see how f 35 would turn out to be nightmare for already maintenance riddled fleet lol..
 
S-400 you're buying:p::azn:;):enjoy: remember Turkey case:angel:
Yup that's why Yesterday Boeing was offering us offer for Participation in development of Electronics & Avionics for AMCA.
GE jas started working on Enhancement for F414 engine to make it capable to produce 115KN thrust for super cruising.

Literally Eurofighter & Boeing is fighting for participating in avionics & electronics.
Rolls-Royce GE is fighting for engine contract of AMCA, TEDBF & MWF.

it will be blessing actually.... we ll see how f 35 would turn out to be nightmare for already maintenance riddled fleet lol..
Indian coastguard has bigger team of Engineers for maintenance of their Ships comparison to combined number of Engineers of Pak Navy & coastguard.
Searching for few decent engineers could be tough job for you but not for IAF, Which have participation in few top Engineering colleges of India.
 
S-400 you're buying:p::azn:;):enjoy: remember Turkey case:angel:

Here you are absolutely right.... India can't have USA jets after S400 and this is logical thinking.... my reply was to above to USA jets and affordability to India.....

If someone really believes that India can't afford few units of F35 in emergency type situations then it's that thinking is really absurd....
 
India is ready to abandon the Su-57 and focus on buying the American F-35s
By Editorial Team on July 2, 2020
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BEIJING, (BM) – According to various military sources in India, as well as according to the Chinese publication Sohu, there is a high probability that India will abandon the acquisition of the Russian Su-57 Super Sukhoi and move to the American F-35, learned BulgarianMilitary.com.

Read more: Su-57’s deal: Russia officially invited India to create a fifth generation fighter

The high cost of the upgraded version of the Russian Su-57 Super Sukhoi fighter, and the purchase of the basic version of the Indian Air Force is not considered due to the “dampness” of this version.

The Su-57 purchase could be unbearable for India, betting that the first deliveries of this combat aircraft are planned only in five years, in this connection, India began to consider the possibility of acquiring the American F-35A.

According to some reports, the cost of the upgraded version of the Su-57 will vary from 150 to 200 million dollars, and given the fact that India plans to acquire several hundred fifth-generation fighters, it is obvious that we are talking about billions of dollars.

Given that the export value of American F-35s is about 120-140 million dollars, and this combat aircraft was seen performing military operations, India is likely to really abandon Russian fighters.

“It would not be an exaggeration to say that the Su-57 of the second stage, which is planned to be released in 2024, is the“ real Su-57. At the current stage, the Su-57 can only be considered a pre-production Su-57, and its degree of completion is relatively low. Even the Russian Air Force does not want to receive them in large quantities” experts said.

“At this stage, the Su-57 with a very low degree of readiness will obviously not be accepted by the Indian Air Force, so even if India wants to buy a Su-57 fighter, it will have to wait at least until the second stage fighter appears around 2025. If India wants to buy a fifth-generation car in five years, the F-35A/B is the most ideal choice. The likelihood of buying a Su-57 is very small. As for the value of the Russian export fighter for India, it is inexpedient for the Russians not to demand more than 150 million US dollars.” Sohu reports.

Read more: Dogfight! Russia’s Su-35 and Su-57 vs. F-35 Stealth Fighter Jet

Earlier, India abandoned the joint development of a fifth-generation fighter with Russia, declaring its low efficiency and overpriced.

Russia is desperately trying to find a market for its Su-57

Russia is ready together with India to create a fifth-generation fighter; a positive signal to intensify this work may be a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense for the purchase of Su-57, accoeding Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov statement on February 4.

Manturov said that the Russian side is ready to “continue negotiations on a fifth-generation fighter,” RIA Novosti reports.

“An important event took place in the Su-57 program – the Ministry of Defense placed an order for 76 fighters. I believe that this is a positive signal for our Indian partners, but we will discuss specific formats for cooperation,” he added.

The Minister also noted that the Russian new MiG-35 fighter, which was announced to participate in the Indian tender, surpasses many competitors “in flight performance and combat properties.”

In addition, we must not forget about economic feasibility, as well as a significant level of continuity for the Indian Air Force, which has successfully operated Russian-made equipment for over 50 years.

“Of course, the decision will be made by the Indian side, but I am convinced that Russia is the best supplier of modern combat aircraft for India,” the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade emphasized.

Read more: The Russian Su-57 can beat F-35 someday, but not right now, a Russian expert explains

The US has warned India not to rely on Russian fighter jets in combat

On June 22 the American columnist of Forbes, David Ax, recalls that recently it became known about the death of 20 Indian soldiers in a shootout along the disputed Indian-Chinese border, passing through a towering mountain range. He also notes that, according to media reports [Forbes – ed.], forty-three Chinese soldiers were injured in the clash.

“It is not surprising that India this week allegedly placed an order with Russia for $780 million for 33 fighters with Russia, which is enough to equip or re-equip two squadrons,” the publication says.

It is known that New Delhi plans to acquire 21 MiG-29 fighters and several Su-30.

The Indian Air Force has long planned to purchase additional aircraft to strengthen the existing arsenal of service, consisting of about 230 Su-30s and 60 MiG-29s. New Delhi also plans to acquire 83 local Tejas light fighters, as well as 144 foreign medium-sized fighters, in the coming years.

David Ax notes that all new fighters are part of the effort to increase the air force from 28 front-line squadrons to 40, the number of which New Delhi considers sufficient to fight simultaneously with Pakistan and China.

“These 28 squadrons fly on a stunning variety of fighters, including Indian and Russian types, the French Mirage 2000s and Rafales, and European Jaguars,” recalls an observer for the American publication.

Read more: Top 5 best fifth generation fighter jets in the World

Tom Cooper, an author and aviation expert, expressed his surprise that the Indian Air Force wants the Su-30 and MiG-29 to meet the extraordinary requirements for a pair of aircraft squadrons. Su-30, although it seems impressive on paper, in comparison with Western models does not have performance and combat efficiency.

David Ax explains that Cooper’s point of view is this: for decades, the Mirage 2000 was a more effective fighter in the Indian service than the Su-30. Rafale, the successor to the French-made Mirage, is also one of India’s finest fighters. However, the Indians ordered a total of 36 Rafale.

“The Su-30 not only does not have the latest high-precision air-to-ground ammunition, but also does not work well with high-altitude air bases supporting Indian operations along the so-called border,” the Forbes publication says.

The lighter MiG-29 is better suited for the Indian Air Force than the Su-30. However, this does not mean that the old MiG is the right choice for New Delhi.

Read more: Top 5 best Russian fighter jets – 4++ and 5th generations

Even the Russians do not believe the Su-57 will defeat the F-35 in an air battle

The Russian Su-57 fighter is already a good combat vehicle. However, there is still something to improve, for example, in order to bypass the American F-35 in terms of basic indicators, expert Vladimir Vasiliev believes and said on January 11 this year.

If we compare the Su-57 with an American competitor, then the domestic aircraft surpasses the opponent in terms of maneuverability, flight range and top speed, which makes it more attractive for buyers in foreign markets. It is not in vain that Turkey, being in danger of breaking the F-35 supply contract, is increasingly thinking about buying new Su-57s from Russia.

Be that as it may, but the F-35 has one important feature that has been acquired by him historically, the expert emphasizes. The fact is that American fighters are always designed as aircraft carrier-based vehicles, and therefore have the ability to take off and land in short bands.

It is noteworthy that even in this component the Russian fighter has some groundwork for improvements. Russian designers, among other things, have experience in creating aircraft with a vertical take-off and landing system, so they can combine the qualities of the latest fighter with the capabilities of the famous Yak-141 in the future to inherit the best properties of previous prototypes and get ahead of the F-35 in all respects.

Read more: The Russia`s Su-57 Fighter Jet is a “Criminal” – NATO

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No F-35s with S-400s that much is pretty clear now.
 
Lol that's why They sanctioned export of T-129 for Turkey but they have no problem with India exporting Jet trainer using American Engines.


Yup that's why they sold P8-i & Gave Their own MH-60 to Indian navy with Most advanced Harpoon & LRASM varient & Even Agreed to give the source code & asked India to Integrate it's own missiles in P8-i Neptune.
They asked us to consider Tomahawk but we are developing our own LRALCM.


India is working on development of world latest Aircraft & Ship maintenance facilities.
Indian ship building Industries repair American, Vietnamese, Burmese & Philippines Naval Ships.
Indian industries are now building many parts for American military complex, such as Fuselage of Chinook & Apache, wings of F-16.
Soon we'll start building fuselage of MH-60.
But we can't maintain & repair a single engine plane which even countries like Denmark & Netherlands can.

Pakistan can afford Typhoon, F16 block 72 with amaraam D, J20.... they are like south Korea, Japan economically..... we can't afford.... a PDF fact...
 
Pakistan can afford Typhoon, F16 block 72 with amaraam D, J20.... they are like south Korea, Japan economically..... we can't afford.... a PDF fact...
These things are penny.
They are even dreaming for 36-40 Strategic Bombers like TU-160 & atleast 4 Aircraft carriers.
Just check their Navy thread.
 
Yup I also doubt India will get F35 with its S400 acquisition.
 
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