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Bengaluru molestation: India is not Saudi Arabia, police chief's statement is shocking, insensitive
Updated: Jan 4, 2017, 10.35 AM IST
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By Rajeev Chandrasekhar

Four years ago in December 2012, a young girl Jyoti Singh became victim of a horrible crime, etched in all our memories as Nirbhaya+ . That was Delhi and this is now in Bengaluru as many women, instead of experiencing the simple joys of bringing in the New Year, had to face the horror of mass molestation+ .

Just as politicians and bureaucrats rushed to deflect the attention from the crime during the Nirbhaya episode, similar is the case today with this government's indefensible statements blaming women for their dress sense+ and every other conceivable reason to blame the victims for the crimes committed on them. Expectedly, you also heard some try and make this an 'outsider vs insider' debate or worse still a rich vs poor one. All sad attempts at ducking responsibility of the crime that happened.

But be that as it may - an expected response from the government that seems to have long abandoned even a shadow of accountability and responsiveness to citizens - the facts need to be brought to the attention of this government and all of us.

To start with, it is clear that the Chief Minister and his government need reminding of a simple but important fact that they seem to have forgotten - an elected government, its ministers and the police are obliged to provide law and order and safety to all its citizens. This is a constitutional mandate and responsibility imposed on any self-respecting elected state government. This responsibility is unambiguous and covers every man, woman, child and senior citizen. However, forgetfulness of their duties seems to be repeating itself frequently with this government.

To the home minister, I point out respectfully there is no provision in the Constitution or indeed the laws of this state that dilutes his responsibility or the responsibility of the police to provide protection based on sex, or dress code. India is not Saudi Arabia and Bengaluru is not some city out there. It is part of a constitutional democracy that provides rights to all citizens. To him and the new police commissioner, I would like to further point out - crimes were committed on the night of 31st December. I can quote extensively all the laws in Criminal Penal Code that were violated that night including outraging the modesty of women, attempted rape, etc. - in violation of Sections 294, 354, 509 among others. These crimes need to be investigated and criminals identified and prosecuted. The commissioner of police's statement claiming victims should go to the police in order to initiate investigation is shocking, insensitive and professionally unacceptable. The police have the powers and ability to suo motu investigate these crimes, file FIRs - especially when the prompt professional response to these crimes is vital for the professional credibility and reputation of the Bengaluru police as an institution and for Bengaluru as our city. The political leadership and the current government will be consigned to history soon but the police as an institution is a permanent one that will need to earn back the trust of the people it serves.

The signs of apathy and neglect of Bengaluru and its citizens are just too frequent to ignore with this government. Childrens' safety, environment, zoning laws and the list goes on endless - but except for childrens' safety, most others can be perceived to be victimless. However, when it comes to crimes against children, women and the elderly - a government is expected to have a zero-tolerance approach to fulfilling its duties and protecting them - which it has failed to do on Dec 31st, 2016 leaving many innocent girls scarred and abused.

Mr CM with great respect, you let them all down! The larger questions remain - why is the government dithering on investigating these crimes? Why did the government not give clearer directions to the police about the safety of its people on New Year's Eve? Is it that the police that has had to deal with repeated instances of MLAs and ministers' children throwing their weight around are now averse to taking any action against criminals? Is Bengaluru becoming a city where women have to now worry about their safety?

My request to CM this - Redeem yourself and your government in this last year of your term. Take some time off from other 'interesting' projects like Akrama Sakrama, steel flyover and pay some heed to the call to make our women feel safer in our home city, Bengaluru.

Rajeev Chandrasekhar is a Rajya Sabha MP


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...shocking-insensitive/articleshow/56325492.cms
 
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its normal in india to rape and molest women ... delhi is world's rape capital ...nuthing is new... and still indians are claimimg that they r civilized ppl huh
 
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And that is why it is ideal of Pakistan and pakistan wants to be an another saudi arebia. Good luck for that.
You are wrong ..Indians love KSA ..Facts and figures stated otherwise there are more than 2.9 million indians in KSA far ahead then pakistanis..Call them back and i will agree with you
 
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Law and Order in some Indian states is pretty sub-par, no offense.

If you have all these Indian companies employ millions of back office people, surely their taxes must support a requisite level of safety and law and order, including safety of women. This used to be a big problem for us two decades ago. But thanks to CCTV cameras and good planning/deployment of elite forces, such issues are history more or less.

This is our elite police contingent, Rapid Action Battalion (RAB). They are deployed at almost all rallies and public events.

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Saudi Arabia is a rich, developed country.

We countries in the developing world should not get too ahead of ourselves.

And that is why it is ideal of Pakistan and pakistan wants to be an another saudi arebia. Good luck for that.

And what's wrong with that? Don't we all want to be high income developed countries too?
 
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No comments just want to say,
God may save Indian women from Indian males.
Face Palm.
 
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Let us accept for a moment that we are really shit people...i was so upset by reading such news in Bangalore than slowly i am realizing, it is better to be like Saudi Arabia where rapist are punished properly than being unpunished in country like mine where human values and respect is a luxury to expect for...I am ashamed for such of my country men...

Our people who indulge in such activities are definitely not like illiterate people...The people in Bangalore are all highly educated people...And these educated so called people are the rap** that they bring shame to the humanity....
 
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Let us accept for a moment that we are really shit people...i was so upset by reading such news in Bangalore than slowly i am realizing, it is better to be like Saudi Arabia where rapist are punished properly than being unpunished in country like mine where human values and respect is a luxury to expect for...I am ashamed for such of my country men...

Our people who indulge in such activities are definitely not like illiterate people...The people in Bangalore are all highly educated people...And these educated so called people are the rap** that they bring shame to the humanity....
So my dear friend, accept Islam. There are nearly 220,000,000 Muslims in India. Ask them and join them if you like. It's your choice. Islam has predicted the hardest punishments for such crimes. Rape will be equal with getting executed without mercy because the rapist has broken God's laws and every member of the Islamic society are responsible they must protect the women. Even if you die protecting a woman from rapist, you will be a martyr in Islam's vision and will be awarded by God.
I have been in western countries. Their God is their national laws. Once i saw a man raping a woman in metro but no one did nothing to protect her saying that's not our problem, we have law and laws will counter the rapist. They were watching until policemen came into the crime scene. This was their response to that crime because the national laws never mentioned that everyone of society is responsible unlike Islam's laws. Also I did nothing because i was a Muslim you know :( I have no doubt that i would be prisoned if i interfered.
 
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So my dear friend, accept Islam. Islam has predicted the hardest punishments for such crimes. Rape will be equal with getting executed without mercy because the rapist has broken God's laws and every member of the Islamic society are responsible they must protect the women. Even if you die protecting a woman from rapist, you will be a martyr in Islam's vision and will be awarded by God.

That's the most nonsensical way to market Islam (or any religion). Published data from all countries (developed and developing) show that increasing severity of punishment is not correlated with drop in crime. On the contrary that only incentivises criminals to act with utmost violence because if they are going to get a severe penalty they might as well inflict the max crime. It also requires a longer more elaborate process of adjudication because the punishment is irreversible. That is why proposals to award death sentences to rapists, etc. while populist are not suggested by criminologists.

Barbaric punishments [of the kind encouraged by extremists and in force in some strict sharia countries] is not justice - it is just unchecked and arbitrary exercise of power. Ruling people by fear is no solution at all and, on the contrary, requires impractical levels of law enforcement to monitor and enforce.

I have been in western countries. Their God is their national laws. Once i saw a man raping a woman in metro but no one did nothing to protect her saying that's not our problem, we have law and laws will counter the rapist. They were watching until policemen came into the crime scene. This was their response to that crime because the national laws never mentioned that everyone of society is responsible unlike Islam's laws. Also I did nothing because i was a Muslim you know :( I have no doubt that i would be prisoned if i interfered.

That's not only utterly erroneous factually but insensitive as well. Law enforcement in the UK and the USA (where I have resided/reside) is not only technologically superior but highly sensitive to sexual crimes. There's no tolerance for behavior that plenty of people in India (and I conjecture Pakistan as well) seem to think is ok/ childish / not a big deal.
God has nothing to do with this - it's a cultural / societal characteristic and belief in firm rule of law.
 
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Let us accept for a moment that we are really shit people...i was so upset by reading such news in Bangalore than slowly i am realizing, it is better to be like Saudi Arabia where rapist are punished properly than being unpunished in country like mine where human values and respect is a luxury to expect for...I am ashamed for such of my country men...

Our people who indulge in such activities are definitely not like illiterate people...The people in Bangalore are all highly educated people...And these educated so called people are the rap** that they bring shame to the humanity....

Mate the problem with that is maybe 0.1% of rapes would be punished in places like Saudi Arabia, Most likely the perpetrator a poornon Saudi.. When women have 0% rights and migrant workers who are raped and tortured by their employee's daily and treated worse off than vermin.. They have no voices to complain.. You reckon it's some violence free utopia ? Pls that's the worse thing you can wish for your country

This is the justice they have for their own.. The argument by the obvious few that claim there is little rape in Saudi Arabia is factually incorrect.. On the contrary the reported case's are, 99% goes unreported

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/saudi-prea...lling-daughter-because-he-doubted-her-1439657

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/20/saudi.rape.victim/index.html?eref=yahoo
 
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That's the most nonsensical way to market Islam (or any religion). Published data from all countries (developed and developing) show that increasing severity of punishment is not correlated with drop in crime. On the contrary that only incentivises criminals to act with utmost violence because if they are going to get a severe penalty they might as well inflict the max crime. It also requires a longer more elaborate process of adjudication because the punishment is irreversible. That is why proposals to award death sentences to rapists, etc. while populist are not suggested by criminologists.

Barbaric punishments [of the kind encouraged by extremists and in force in some strict sharia countries] is not justice - it is just unchecked and arbitrary exercise of power. Ruling people by fear is no solution at all and, on the contrary, requires impractical levels of law enforcement to monitor and enforce.



That's not only utterly erroneous factually but insensitive as well. Law enforcement in the UK and the USA (where I have resided/reside) is not only technologically superior but highly sensitive to sexual crimes. There's no tolerance for behavior that plenty of people in India (and I conjecture Pakistan as well) seem to think is ok/ childish / not a big deal.
God has nothing to do with this - it's a cultural / societal characteristic and belief in firm rule of law.

Gentleman Many Would Differ With You

http://dailysignal.com/2014/10/04/capital-punishment-works-it-deters-crime/


And While Muslims May Not Be Angels Islam Is Intolerant When It Comes To Sexually Deviant Behaviour.It's Not About Just Capital Punishment It's About Being Brought Up With A Certain Set of Values
 
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