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When Trump voluntarily disclosed that Modi has asked him to mediate on Kashmir issue, the alarm bells should have start ringing.

Now it is clear that Trump and USA administration was informed by India on plans to scrap the Article 370.

Modi govt had told US about plans to scrap Article 370 twice — last week and in February

On 1 August, Jaishankar briefed Pompeo in Bangkok, and in February, Doval spoke to his US counterpart Bolton on Modi govt's plans to revoke Article 370.

New Delhi: External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar had briefed his American counterpart, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, about the Modi government’s intentions to abrogate Article 370 and Article 35A for Jammu and Kashmir, multiple sources have told ThePrint.

This, however, was not the first time that the US was briefed on this issue. In February, two days after the Pulwama attack, National Security Advisor Ajit Doval had phoned his American counterpart John Bolton and told him about the Modi government’s plans to do away with the ‘special status’ for Jammu and Kashmir, sources told ThePrint.

The sources, however, said the decision to bifurcate the state came much later.

Union Home Minister Amit Shah Monday announced the move to scrap Article 370, which provides a special status to Jammu and Kashmir, and proposed the bifurcation of the state into two Union Territories through a fresh Jammu and Kashmir Reorganisation Bill, 2019. The bill proposes making Jammu and Kashmir a Union Territory with a legislature and Ladakh a separate Union Territory without an assembly.

Jaishankar’s meeting with Pompeo came on the sidelines of the ninth East Asia Summit Foreign Ministers’ Meeting in Bangkok on 1 August. At their meeting, Jaishankar had also reiterated to Pompeo that the US does not need to mediate in the Kashmir dispute and that any discussion on this issue, “if at all warranted”, will only be with Pakistan unilaterally.

The Modi government did not want to take a chance when it came to the US, and so all necessary safeguards were taken to apprise the Trump administration of the move, sources added.

Sources further said that the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) Monday briefed envoys of the P-5 nations: The US, the UK, China, France and Russia. It has also briefed envoys of all 15 members of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC).

During its briefing to the envoys, the MEA said the proposals that are currently under consideration of the Parliament of India are internal to India.

“These are aimed at providing good governance, promoting social justice and ensuring economic development in Jammu and Kashmir,” stated a source.

“There has been no international reaction yet on this issue, which shows that India had done its calculations well in advance. And the US being an important and crucial member of the P-5, it is imperative to see how it reacts,” veteran diplomat K.C. Singh told ThePrint. “If it ignores the move, then perfect. If it does not, then India should be worried.”


https://theprint.in/diplomacy/modi-...e-370-twice-last-week-and-in-february/272652/
 
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BTW it was already in their manifesto...so it was coming anyway. However now we need to prepare all options... and I guess ...
 
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When Trump voluntarily disclosed that Modi has asked him to mediate on Kashmir issue, the alarm bells should have start ringing.
Now it is clear that Trump and USA administration was informed by India on plans to scrap the Article 370.
Modi govt had told US about plans to scrap Article 370 twice — last week and in February
On 1 August, Jaishankar briefed Pompeo in Bangkok, and in February, Doval spoke to his US counterpart Bolton on Modi govt's plans to revoke Article 370.


New Delhi: External Affairs Minister S. Jaishankar had briefed his American counterpart, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, about the Modi government’s intentions to abrogate Article 370 and Article 35A for Jammu and Kashmir, multiple sources have told ThePrint.

This, however, was not the first time that the US was briefed on this issue. In February, two days after the Pulwama attack, National Security Advisor Ajit Doval had phoned his American counterpart John Bolton and told him about the Modi government’s plans to do away with the ‘special status’ for Jammu and Kashmir, sources told ThePrint.

The sources, however, said the decision to bifurcate the state came much later.

Union Home Minister Amit Shah Monday announced the move to scrap Article 370, which provides a special status to Jammu and Kashmir, and proposed the bifurcation of the state into two Union Territories through a fresh Jammu and Kashmir Reorganisation Bill, 2019. The bill proposes making Jammu and Kashmir a Union Territory with a legislature and Ladakh a separate Union Territory without an assembly.

Jaishankar’s meeting with Pompeo came on the sidelines of the ninth East Asia Summit Foreign Ministers’ Meeting in Bangkok on 1 August. At their meeting, Jaishankar had also reiterated to Pompeo that the US does not need to mediate in the Kashmir dispute and that any discussion on this issue, “if at all warranted”, will only be with Pakistan unilaterally.

The Modi government did not want to take a chance when it came to the US, and so all necessary safeguards were taken to apprise the Trump administration of the move, sources added.

Sources further said that the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) Monday briefed envoys of the P-5 nations: The US, the UK, China, France and Russia. It has also briefed envoys of all 15 members of the United Nations Security Council (UNSC).

During its briefing to the envoys, the MEA said the proposals that are currently under consideration of the Parliament of India are internal to India.

“These are aimed at providing good governance, promoting social justice and ensuring economic development in Jammu and Kashmir,” stated a source.

“There has been no international reaction yet on this issue, which shows that India had done its calculations well in advance. And the US being an important and crucial member of the P-5, it is imperative to see how it reacts,” veteran diplomat K.C. Singh told ThePrint. “If it ignores the move, then perfect. If it does not, then India should be worried.”

https://theprint.in/diplomacy/modi-...e-370-twice-last-week-and-in-february/272652/

This word "Bolton" is equivalent to "War Mongering" whenever and wherever mentioned.

It looks that the "deep state inside US" has trumped its President. The President must be feeling very stupid now.
 
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if US is ok with it...nothingis happening..all we will see is 'pak condemns indian actions' for the next few weeks before it cools down
 
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So i guess that meeting not due to F 16, 125m $ deal.. I thought something happened in Kashmir.. didn't have clue about the plan...
 
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if US is ok with it...nothingis happening..all we will see is 'pak condemns indian actions' for the next few weeks before it cools down

Agree. That's what we have been doing for last 70 years. Fooling our own people. Sad state of affairs.
 
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I dont understand why are Pakistanis worried, Article 370 was between Indians and Kashmiris , we were never a party to it.

If its scraped , let it be. If India thinks its solution to the problem than they are wrong. All that matters.
 
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I dont understand why are Pakistanis worried, Article 370 was between Indians and Kashmiris , we were never a party to it.

If its scraped , let it be. If India thinks its solution to the problem than they are wrong. All that matters.

the main repercussion is the fact that indians from mainland india will be encouraged to settle in kashmir..diluting the population...eventually people elected in kashmir will be reflective of the newly arrived settlers(muslim voices will be surpressed)..it will basically be whats happening in israel
 
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the main repercussion is the fact that indians from mainland india will be encouraged to settle in kashmir..diluting the population...eventually people elected in kashmir will be reflective of the newly arrived settlers(muslim voices will be surpressed)..it will basically be whats happening in israel

So what?? Its not Pakistan's problem. Kashmiris have to take stand themselves, Pakistan's population is 200 million , kashmir's population is 10 million. So you wana risk lives of 200 million people for 10 million people ? While nothing has happened on the ground. There is Geneva convention Indians still use pellets guns and cluster bombs. What can you do?
 
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So what?? Its not Pakistan's problem. Kashmiris have to take stand themselves, Pakistan's population is 200 million , kashmir's population is 10 million. So you wana risk lives of 200 million people for 10 million people ? While nothing has happened on the ground. There is Geneva convention Indians still use pellets guns and cluster bombs. What can you do?

im just pointing the repercussions out..we will whine and moan nothing will happen need not worry
 
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Since Kashmir is a dispute, the Instrument of Accession was validated by these special status articles in Indian Constitution. That Kashmir will enjoy a special status within Indian Union as to the practices of religion, culture and demography of Kashmir.

As soon as the article is suspended, India becomes the occupier of Kashmir. The Kashmiri territory was never India's. Hence the special status. When this status is revoked, all bilateral agreements like the Shimla fiasco, also stand null and void. Such agreements are only undertaken on the assumption that Kashmir had special status.

This is a legal battle now. Pakistan has not been found competent on international law recently. We need to see how Pakistan now reacts. But our hope is PTI govt. is sincere although Pakistan has been significantly weakened by NRO democracy of Zardari and Sharif.
 
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Sounds like bullshit....it is dwelling on a hunch based on how the world will react
 
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the main repercussion is the fact that indians from mainland india will be encouraged to settle in kashmir..diluting the population...eventually people elected in kashmir will be reflective of the newly arrived settlers(muslim voices will be surpressed)..it will basically be whats happening in israel
That's not article 370
 
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