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NEW DELHI: India is refraining from openly criticising China despite it emerging as the biggest opponent to New Delhi's NSG membership bid. The avalanche of adverse public opinion against China has rattled both Beijing and New Delhi.

Sources said demonising China would have the effect of Beijing doing exactly what India doesn't want it to do. In the past few days, India has eased up on China — making it easier for Chinese scholars to come to India on conference visas, which has been a long-standing grouse against the Indian system. In addition, Chinese sailors docking off India would find it easier to come ashore with quick visas being available to them. The India-US joint statement conveniently dropped reference to South China Sea to refrain from official China-bashing.

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If India completes the legal scrubbing of its paperwork for Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) in time, India and Pakistan could join the SCO summit this year. In that case, sources said, there is a very good chance of PM Narendra Modi going for the summit scheduled to be held in Tashkent on June 23-24. If Modi does travel, there is a chance of him lobbying personally with Chinese President Xi Jinping. The NSG plenary is scheduled for June 20-24 in Seoul. The SCO secretary-general Rashid Alimov was quoted as saying India and Pakistan had completed their agreements in principle for joining.


The preliminary technical meeting of the NSG in Vienna on Thursday discussed the new applications from India, Pakistan and Namibia. The discussions, according to sources, recognised the merit in the Indian application but some countries raised the matter of process and criteria. Sources said there were about five countries left as holdouts, even as India is racing against time to convince them.


Many in the government acknowledge that the Indian exercise to lobby for NSG membership came late. That's largely because much time was wasted in the past few years - first India could not take it up seriously, hobbled as it was with other nuclear issues; then, the previous government decided to approach all four regimes - NSG, MTCR, Wassenaar and Australia Group - together. This made it impossible to move on any one.


In the last year, the government had a relook at the NSG bid and decided to unbundle them. MTCR and NSG were put on priority. Last week, MTCR, in a "silent procedure", cleared hurdles for India's accession. This has made NSG entry marginally easier for India. In 2008, India had made a formal commitment to abide by non-proliferation commitments in a letter then foreign minister Pranab Mukherjee had written to the NSG. That letter helped burnish India's non-proliferation credentials. It's not clear what extra commitment India can make before the group in 2016.
 
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What will ensue at SCO meet between Modi & Xi Jinping IF:

China to India: Okey, we will not oppose your NSG candidature, provided you give us a promise to NOT VETO Pakistan's bid in the future.

What would India commit to this?
 
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What will ensue at SCO meet between Modi & Xi Jinping IF:

China to India: Okey, we will not oppose your NSG candidature, provided you give us a promise to NOT VETO Pakistan's bid in the future.

What would India commit to this?
China simply does not care whether pakistan is in or not. They simply want to block India and pakistan is their excuse. Who in sane mind would allow a nuclear proliferator like pakistan into NSG. NSG would have no meaning at all.
 
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China simply does not care whether pakistan is in or not. They simply want to block India and pakistan is their excuse. Who in sane mind would allow a nuclear proliferator like pakistan into NSG. NSG would have no meaning at all.

Did pakistan engaged in nuclear proliferation in last 12 years or so ?
 
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China simply does not care whether pakistan is in or not. They simply want to block India and pakistan is their excuse. Who in sane mind would allow a nuclear proliferator like pakistan into NSG. NSG would have no meaning at all.


My first rant was, that India went wrong way, and offered BrahMos to Vietnam.
And second being that of (on) Pakistan's bid to be a NSG member.

Both are instrumental in China's foreign policy to diminish Indian clout Internationally. And safeguard its own.
 
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Never the less we gave China run for their money. Very good job done by Modi government amazing developments in recent months mind-blowing is the word to describe it. China should understand India's position today and ever changing dynamics of Indian good will gesture. Competition is the answer both nations agree but got into this situation both sides waiting for other to give up lol.

It's not gonna happen we are hurting ourself. Only NSG debacle is over and India denied access the India will be in full offensive node against China. It's going to be very ugly in Asia

Did pakistan engaged in nuclear proliferation in last 12 years or so ?
Did Pakistan engaged in proliferation before 12 years? Did India ever engaged in proliferation?
 
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In fact it was India which defied the world and invited sanctions from comity of nations on its nuclear tests a la Pokhran.
And now pleads its case to the same International community.

Let us be fair.
 
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In fact it was India which defied the world and invited sanctions from comity of nations on its nuclear tests a la Pokhran.
And now pleads its case to the same International community.

Let us be fair.
So did china. Infact if you want to know who started nuclear race in south asia, it was China. After China, India tested it, and then your country blame us of starting nuclear race...
 
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India is holding fire as there is agreement that China would not veto India's application.

Did pakistan engaged in nuclear proliferation in last 12 years or so ?

India is blocking Pakistan's case.

What will ensue at SCO meet between Modi & Xi Jinping IF:

China to India: Okey, we will not oppose your NSG candidature, provided you give us a promise to NOT VETO Pakistan's bid in the future.

What would India commit to this?

India has already comitted that it would not be blocking Pakistan's application in return for China not blocking India's.
 
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Even china is full aware that india will hold its fire only till 24th june, and in the situation of access being denied, china will emerge as the main villain in this episode. After which india will just make the list of dangerous and poisionous items imported from china and start blacklisting thiem.

Hence its for china to decide, by supporting india they loose nothing, but by opposing they loose so much.
 
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India has already comitted that it would not be blocking Pakistan's application in return for China not blocking India's.

Where is the committal?

No India tested it in 1974 and then as a result nsg came into existence.

1974 crude device was insignificant & inconsequential for India to project it to be a force to reckon with.
Hence came multiple (qualitative & quantitative) explosions.

Sophisticated designs coupled with 200K (fusion boosted fission) yield came into being.

Above is the conspicuous difference.
 
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China's veto will ensure that India China always remain against each other.. wont be surprised if India's support to US, Vietnam and other adversaries of China become stronger and more open.
 
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China's veto will ensure that India China always remain against each other.. wont be surprised if India's support to US, Vietnam and other adversaries of China become stronger and more open.

Hasn't that always been the case? :P

Nehru pleaded for US help in 1962 - Times of India

And India hasn't been shy about trying to poke China in the SCS either.

Now you think we are such idiots that we will suddenly give India what they want without anything in return? :lol:

That's the joke of the century. If you want the NSG seat, the UNSC seat, you're not getting it for free. What are you going to give us in return? And I'm talking about something real, not BS political fluff.

And please don't tell me that we'll get India's "good will" (again). Even political fluff would be better than that. Why don't you sell your house in exchange for "Indian good will" if you think it is worth anything.
 
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In my humble opinion China for now will proceed with VETO against India, in past couple of years both USA & India are getting way too cozy with each other & the Chinese are not stupid to figure out the reasons behind this new love affair in the air. They every much know that without China's nod Indian can't get inn even with usa support... Statements against all this will start & eveyone will be expecting
 
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