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Like i said to blame someone of doing anything and to actually accept it are two different things, though i realize when it comes to india, the meaning changes.

What a juvenile mind I am debating with!

Are you suggesting that the ISI is a poverty alleviation scheme?

Since you are a know all, what is the raison d'tre of the ISI?

To go against political enemies of Musharraf and the govt?

So where did i wrote in my post its funded by jews? Dont look for words i never mentioned.

You did not.

But your implications were not too far!



I never said so, but there is something called coopertaion, For e.g RAW and Musaad( i hope the spelling is correct for musaad) and there is no existing cooperation between RAW and ISI, so your point is:undecided:

Since you are a greenhorn and totally devoid of reality, you are not aware what cooperation goes on!

Indeed i'm in the real world and i know what we can and what we cannot expect from india. And this for sure we cannot expect from india, no sane pakistani can. So a piece of advice for you Mr. Salim sell this BS somewhere else where someone ignorant enough can actually buy it.

You are living in a dream world.

You will be a redundant appendage of a disgusting past, when India and Pakistan build strong relationships, which is the only answer for our common prosperity and peace.

You are the ignorant one.

Go and read the tea leaves as the Chinese do!

Your ideas are on Ice and your are too cold in your thinking process for understanding reality!
 
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Frustration as it speaks. Anyhow i would not engage with you over this but rest assured, no one sane enough will buy what your kind is trying to sell.

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Icey its too bad an attempt to do some PR for India by selling that drama news is bouncing back.

Frustration must be there ;)
 
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Why?

Have you sat with Manmohan Singh and formalised the policy?

You are the type who finds his personality in conflict and strife.

You are the type that is ever fighting with your inner self.

Reality scares you that your importance will vanish if there is peace and understanding.

You and your type are the stumbling block to peace, happiness and friendship.

I cannot say may your tribe increase as I would of Abu Ben Adhem!

But then you do not know of Abu Ben Adhem or do you?

You and your type are the cause of our problems as neighbours!

The US Under Secretary who wanted to bomb Pakistan continues to hold a US passport and citizenship. I did not know he is an Indian. What has the ISI briefed you on this?

I understand reality.

You like in falsehood and nightmares!

You see ghosts all around you!

Grow up!

Please keep this "you and your" attitude out of the thread. If you dislike or disagree with his post then refrain from commenting or keep your response non-personal.

This goes for everyone on the thread. Discuss the issue not the participants and lets not egg each other on with personal potshots.
 
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Here how India and RAW is helping Musharraf :lol:



Setting up of Ayni Airbase: RAW’s shadow deepens over FATA

Momin Iftikhar

Completion of major construction and refurbishment works at Ayni Air base in Tajikistan; located 15 KM northwest of Dushanbe has operationalized the first Indian Airbase in foreign lands. The 6 KM long runway has been completed and renovation of accommodation barracks and administration block is being given finishing touches. The rush of work is over yet 50-60 engineers are still stationed there. In addition to the Ayni Air Base, Indians have developed Farkhor as an “outpost” situated close to Afghanistan - Tajikistan Border.

Ayni Airbase was initially developed during the early nineties as a modest intelligence outpost with air landing facility for channeling vital military support, military advisors and intelligence operators into Afghanistan. It was operated by RAW’s Aviation Research Center (ARC), which flew vital logistic and operational sorties to support Panjshiri Forces, then under threat of defeat from Taleban. In addition, ARC technicians at Ayni provided vital repairs to keep Northern Alliance’s Soviet-made Mi-17 and Mi-35 attack helicopters in fighting trim. Ayni has now been transformed by India into a full fledged air force base capable of supporting fighter jet operations. The Times of India has reported that IAF is considering stationing two MiG 29 squadrons at Ayni which would give India’s military “longer strategic” reach in the CAR. In addition to the IAF, ARC elements at Ayni operate a fleet of spy aircraft that provide aerial reconnaissance, communications and electronics intelligence and imagery analysis. Needless to say that
Pakistan remains the focus of their clandestine operations.
Ayni is complemented by the Farkhor military and logistics base, located at the adjoining Tajikistan-Afghanistan border. The base remained a lifeline to the beleaguered Northern Alliance during its tussle for supremacy with Taleban. As per India’s own admission, its presence in Farkhor enabled her to provide Northern Alliance with abundant military hardware and ‘liaison’. Indian admission that it supplied the Northern Alliance with high altitude warfare equipment worth around $8 million bares only the tip of an iceberg. A contingent of Indian defence “advisers”, including a Brigadier, was based here to advise the Northern Alliance in conduct of operations. Ever since, Indian Army has maintained a skeleton presence at Farkhor, enjoying a capability - thanks to the Ayni Airbase - to build up expeditiously if deemed essential. The logistical aspects at the base are well manifested by the 25-bed hospital that is being operated by the Indian military.

India, like many of the erstwhile players of the Great Game, feels enticed by the lure of strategic opportunities offered by the Central Asian Region and its abundant energy resources. With Russia lying to its North, China to its East, Iran and Afghanistan to the South, its location offers chess board like manipulation possibilities to the regional and extra regional powers. With the decimation of Taleban, Indians decided to consolidate their bridgehead in Tajikistan to pursue strategic ambitions in Central Asia centered on access to energy resources - and to fish for trouble on Pak-Afghan Border. India’s energy requirements are expected to double by 2010 to 3.5 million barrels per day (mbd) from 1.9 mbd at present and it is desperate to tap badly needed energy supplies. In addition, raking up trouble in Xingjian Province of China remains high on RAW’s agenda. Consequently, in 2002 a bilateral agreement with Tajikistan formalized Indian presence at Farkhor, giving India an opportunity to substantively raise its military profile in the Region.
Given the present day context, Farkhor- Ayni foothold provides RAW with multidimensional opportunities to spread its tentacles in the entire region, particularly in Afghanistan with a focus at creating trouble in FATA Region of Pakistan. The bases facilitate her unhindered capability to mobilize logistic support and move military personnel and intelligence operators in and out of Afghanistan. It is important to note that in 2001, Indians were able to use the Farkhor base as a hub for airlifting over three hundred Taleban prisoners from the Northern Alliance Jails. These prisoners, later, became clay pigeons for fake encounters conducted in IHK and the Indian hinterland to promote perceptions of “cross border terrorism” and provide justification for Indian pursuit of coercive diplomacy vis-à-vis Pakistan.
In addition to using her presence in Tajikistan for clandestine operations in Pakistan and Afghanistan, RAW is using Farkhor - Ayni complex as a major hub for trafficking drugs into Europe and Asia. According to Central Asian Diplomatic sources, a heavy Indian espionage network in Afghanistan duly supported by the Tajikistan base has enabled RAW to cash on abundant poppy production in Afghanistan during recent years. Heroin producing laboratories in inaccessible areas, controlled by the Northern Alliance warlords, are working overtime under RAW’s sponsorship to produce their deadly output which finds well-oiled outlets through scrutiny free Farkhor and Ayni bases. This easy and abundant supply of untraceable money is used by RAW in creating instability in Afghanistan by bribing the warlords and purchasing and distributing arms from the international black market. In addition, the availability of drug generated funds have enabled Indians to buy loyalties of anti state elements and conduct terrorist strikes not only in FATA but also to fan the flames of insurgency in Balochistan.
According to observers, the Ayni- Farkhor complex has greatly added to the Indian capability for launching clandestine operations on Pakistan’s Western border with Afghanistan. With these bases acting as staging posts between New Delhi and the four Indian Consulates located at Mazar-e-Sharif and Herat (in North and North West) and Kandahar and Jalalabad (in the South) entire Afghanistan lies in RAW’s clutches which has heavily loaded the dice against Pakistan. Unrestrained freedom of action provided by Kandahar and Jalalabad Consulates has exposed Pakistan’s FATA area to RAW’s manipulations, which heretofore had remained inaccessible for Indian espionage operations. At a time when India is placing lot of emphasis on CBMs with Pakistan to create an atmosphere of trust, the matter needs to be raised at the highest diplomatic level.

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The Daily Mail - Daily News from Pakistan - Newspaper from Pakistan
 
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here is an old interview of Mushahid Hussain



'RAW Is Training 600 Baluchis In Afghanistan': Mushahid Hussain

Senator Mushahid Hussain Sayed is a man who wears many caps: he is the Pakistan Senate foreign relations committee chairman, the secretary-general of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League, and widely regarded as Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf's right-hand man. A former editor of a major national daily, Hussain knows a thing or two about the unrest in Baluchistan. It was a parliamentary committee headed by him that had recommended that the government grant autonomy to the Baluchis, and ensure their province wasn't forgotten in the rapid economic development of Pakistan.

M H AHSAN met Hussain at his residence in Islamabad's upscale E-sector, recently on his visit to Pakistan. Though the joke here is that the E is for Extremely Rich, Hussain's own home is modest. His phone keeps ringing as he takes calls from politicians of all ideological hues. Between calls, he talks about the Great Game India's playing inside Afghanistan and its possibility of destabilizing the region.

Excerpts:

Why should Pakistan complain about India having several consulates in Afghanistan?

They are two sovereign states. India currently has an extensive diplomatic presence in Afghanistan. It includes the Indian embassy in Kabul and another four consulates in Kandahar, Jalalabad, Mazar-e-Sharif and Herat. These Indian diplomatic missions serve as launching pads for undertaking covert operations against Pakistan, from Afghan soil.

Particularly, the Indian consulates in Kandahar and Jalalabad and their embassy in Kabul are used for clandestine activities inside Pakistan in general and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) and Baluchistan in particular
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Are you alleging that the Indian Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) is involved?

Indian diplomatic and RAW officials have significant ingress in the Afghan ministry of tribal affairs, and are exploiting it to conduct covert activities. Indian agents are instrumental in arranging meetings of tribal elders and Afghans with dual nationalities with Indian consulate officials in Jalalabad, and assisting them in spotting and recruiting suitable tribal elders from Jalalabad and Pakistan's North and South Waziristan Agencies for covert activities.

Are you then saying that RAW has managed a strong presence inside Afghanistan after the ouster of the Taliban?

RAW has established its training camps in Afghanistan in collaboration with the Northern Alliance remnants. Approximately 600 ferraris, or Baluchi tribal dissidents, are getting specialized training to handle explosives, engineer bomb blasts, and use sophisticated weapons in these camps.

Has India revived its links with the leaders of the erstwhile Northern Alliance who are in power in Afghanistan today?

India has invested heavily in its old connections with the leaders of the erstwhile Northern Alliance. It has sizeable support in Afghan parliament. Before the Afghan elections last year, the Indian ambassador called the Northern Alliance's major leadership at his residence and paid them a handsome amount to run their election campaign. Are allegations of India placing troops in Afghanistan correct?

India is gradually increasing the number of its paramilitary personnel in Afghanistan. It is stationing them there on the pretext of providing security and protection to the Border Roads Organization, which is constructing the Zaranj-Dilaram road, and its consulates. From a few personnel, the strength of Indian troops has reached almost that of a company size force and even includes Black Cat Commandos.

Is the Afghan state helping India in these operations?

Yes, the Afghan Police, the Border Security Force and customs officials facilitate the visit of Indian diplomatic staff and intelligence agents to border areas, and help them to hold meetings with dissatisfied pro-Afghan dissidents, anti-state elements, and elders of the area. In this context, meetings of tribal elders are arranged by the Afghan intelligence agency (Riyast-i-Amniyat-i-Milli or RAM) at the behest of those RAW officials who serve in different diplomatic offices of India in Afghanistan. Indian agents are carrying out clandestine activities in the border areas of Khost and in Pakistan's tribal areas of Miranshah with the active support of Afghan Border Security Force officials.

If you remember, after Pakistan took action against the Baluchistan Liberation Army and other elements inside the province, the Indian external affairs ministry was quick to issue an unprecedented statement in December 2005; their strategic writers have started focusing on Baluchistan in their articles. This does not bode well for peace and stability in the region. I have no doubt that this will backfire on India.

Pak feels India is propping up the Baluch war: When the Pakistan government decided to ban the Baluchistan Liberation Army (BLA) last fortnight, it was tacitly admitting to the situation having gone completely awry in the province of Baluchistan. For 17 months now, the BLA's engaged the battle-hardened Pakistani army, with alarming successes. Every now and then, BLA activists slip through the security cordon the army has thrown around sensitive installations to blow up bridges, rail tracks, electricity towers, and worse, gas pipelines.

The BLA's firepower, and its ability to undertake terrorist attacks with impunity, had months earlier raised the specter of a foreign power assisting the militant group.

Though several officials privately claimed that the Indian hand was fanning the discontent in Baluchistan, they desisted from naming it publicly.

Such diplomatic niceties were cast aside in December when New Delhi accused the Pak army of large-scale human rights abuses in Baluchistan. Not only did Islamabad ask New Delhi to douse the fire of insurgency in its own backyard, President Pervez Musharraf even told a TV channel that India was pumping funds into Baluchistan to create mischief there. New Delhi maintained a stony silence.

In late February, Musharraf presented Afghan President Hamid Karzai, on his visit here, documents detailing how India was using bases in Afghanistan to foment trouble in Baluchistan and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. Till date, Afghanistan hasn't rebutted the charges.

Yet, as Islamabad battles insurgents, it is simultaneously under American pressure to improve ties with India and Afghanistan. As one senior foreign official told to this writer, "Matters are improving and we are talking to the Afghans and Indians all the time. We in no way want to put roadblocks in the composite dialogue with India and do not want to annoy the Afghans and give them an excuse to run to New Delhi."

This geopolitical compulsion is why no Pakistani minister or official is willing to go on record about India's destabilizing maneuvers in Pakistan.

Some feel that the BLA and tribal leader Nawab Akbar Bugti, whose Bugti tribe is at the vanguard of the armed movement, haven't been weaned away from the path of violence only because India has stoked their aspirations—and helped augment their stockpile of weapons. They say the BLA's demands are what most independent states encounter in their history. These include greater autonomy, a better share in the revenue accruing from the resources of the province, and a check on development projects which threaten to alienate the tribals from their land.

In an attempt to establish the state's writ, the army is searching for Akbar Bugti, who has gone underground.

May 14, 2006



'Raw is Training 600 Baluchis in Afghanistan' : Mushahid Hussain
 
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Here how India and RAW is helping Musharraf :lol:



Setting up of Ayni Airbase: RAW’s shadow deepens over FATA

Momin Iftikhar

Completion of major construction and refurbishment works at Ayni Air base in Tajikistan; located 15 KM northwest of Dushanbe has operationalized the first Indian Airbase in foreign lands. The 6 KM long runway has been completed and renovation of accommodation barracks and administration block is being given finishing touches. The rush of work is over yet 50-60 engineers are still stationed there. In addition to the Ayni Air Base, Indians have developed Farkhor as an “outpost” situated close to Afghanistan - Tajikistan Border.

Ayni Airbase was initially developed during the early nineties as a modest intelligence outpost with air landing facility for channeling vital military support, military advisors and intelligence operators into Afghanistan. It was operated by RAW’s Aviation Research Center (ARC), which flew vital logistic and operational sorties to support Panjshiri Forces, then under threat of defeat from Taleban. In addition, ARC technicians at Ayni provided vital repairs to keep Northern Alliance’s Soviet-made Mi-17 and Mi-35 attack helicopters in fighting trim. Ayni has now been transformed by India into a full fledged air force base capable of supporting fighter jet operations. The Times of India has reported that IAF is considering stationing two MiG 29 squadrons at Ayni which would give India’s military “longer strategic” reach in the CAR. In addition to the IAF, ARC elements at Ayni operate a fleet of spy aircraft that provide aerial reconnaissance, communications and electronics intelligence and imagery analysis. Needless to say that
Pakistan remains the focus of their clandestine operations.
Ayni is complemented by the Farkhor military and logistics base, located at the adjoining Tajikistan-Afghanistan border. The base remained a lifeline to the beleaguered Northern Alliance during its tussle for supremacy with Taleban. As per India’s own admission, its presence in Farkhor enabled her to provide Northern Alliance with abundant military hardware and ‘liaison’. Indian admission that it supplied the Northern Alliance with high altitude warfare equipment worth around $8 million bares only the tip of an iceberg. A contingent of Indian defence “advisers”, including a Brigadier, was based here to advise the Northern Alliance in conduct of operations. Ever since, Indian Army has maintained a skeleton presence at Farkhor, enjoying a capability - thanks to the Ayni Airbase - to build up expeditiously if deemed essential. The logistical aspects at the base are well manifested by the 25-bed hospital that is being operated by the Indian military.

India, like many of the erstwhile players of the Great Game, feels enticed by the lure of strategic opportunities offered by the Central Asian Region and its abundant energy resources. With Russia lying to its North, China to its East, Iran and Afghanistan to the South, its location offers chess board like manipulation possibilities to the regional and extra regional powers. With the decimation of Taleban, Indians decided to consolidate their bridgehead in Tajikistan to pursue strategic ambitions in Central Asia centered on access to energy resources - and to fish for trouble on Pak-Afghan Border. India’s energy requirements are expected to double by 2010 to 3.5 million barrels per day (mbd) from 1.9 mbd at present and it is desperate to tap badly needed energy supplies. In addition, raking up trouble in Xingjian Province of China remains high on RAW’s agenda. Consequently, in 2002 a bilateral agreement with Tajikistan formalized Indian presence at Farkhor, giving India an opportunity to substantively raise its military profile in the Region.
Given the present day context, Farkhor- Ayni foothold provides RAW with multidimensional opportunities to spread its tentacles in the entire region, particularly in Afghanistan with a focus at creating trouble in FATA Region of Pakistan. The bases facilitate her unhindered capability to mobilize logistic support and move military personnel and intelligence operators in and out of Afghanistan. It is important to note that in 2001, Indians were able to use the Farkhor base as a hub for airlifting over three hundred Taleban prisoners from the Northern Alliance Jails. These prisoners, later, became clay pigeons for fake encounters conducted in IHK and the Indian hinterland to promote perceptions of “cross border terrorism” and provide justification for Indian pursuit of coercive diplomacy vis-à-vis Pakistan.
In addition to using her presence in Tajikistan for clandestine operations in Pakistan and Afghanistan, RAW is using Farkhor - Ayni complex as a major hub for trafficking drugs into Europe and Asia. According to Central Asian Diplomatic sources, a heavy Indian espionage network in Afghanistan duly supported by the Tajikistan base has enabled RAW to cash on abundant poppy production in Afghanistan during recent years. Heroin producing laboratories in inaccessible areas, controlled by the Northern Alliance warlords, are working overtime under RAW’s sponsorship to produce their deadly output which finds well-oiled outlets through scrutiny free Farkhor and Ayni bases. This easy and abundant supply of untraceable money is used by RAW in creating instability in Afghanistan by bribing the warlords and purchasing and distributing arms from the international black market. In addition, the availability of drug generated funds have enabled Indians to buy loyalties of anti state elements and conduct terrorist strikes not only in FATA but also to fan the flames of insurgency in Balochistan.
According to observers, the Ayni- Farkhor complex has greatly added to the Indian capability for launching clandestine operations on Pakistan’s Western border with Afghanistan. With these bases acting as staging posts between New Delhi and the four Indian Consulates located at Mazar-e-Sharif and Herat (in North and North West) and Kandahar and Jalalabad (in the South) entire Afghanistan lies in RAW’s clutches which has heavily loaded the dice against Pakistan. Unrestrained freedom of action provided by Kandahar and Jalalabad Consulates has exposed Pakistan’s FATA area to RAW’s manipulations, which heretofore had remained inaccessible for Indian espionage operations. At a time when India is placing lot of emphasis on CBMs with Pakistan to create an atmosphere of trust, the matter needs to be raised at the highest diplomatic level.

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The Daily Mail - Daily News from Pakistan - Newspaper from Pakistan

Very well explained. Indeed pakistan needs to do something about it by any means available. We need to make sure that india is not allowed to take undue advantages of the situation at our boders.
 
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Lol Dude! Why would india not welcome any foreign troops in pakistan, india will be the first country to welcome so. Remember after 9/11 india actually was the first country who offered their bases on the condition to bomb pakistan back to the stone age. You need to realize the reality before coming up with statements like these.

Sir, i know India hates Pak, but just cuz Salim said that a stable Pak is in the interest of India, that's y I said that they should join hands so there could be peace in the region.
 
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Sir, i know India hates Pak, but just cuz Salim said that a stable Pak is in the interest of India, that's y I said that they should join hands so there could be peace in the region.

You are right.

Anything positive in normalising the relationship between India and Pakistan is suspect to many!

I am afraid India does not hate Pakistan!

or else the CBMs would have never started.

However, if it is patriotic for you all to hate India, please feel patriotic!

I, and many Indians, don't find it patriotic to hate Pakistan.

Indeed, I feel that the relationship should improve and we both use our resources to improve ourselves rather than destroy each other, while the world laughs at us and our miseries!
 
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Please keep this "you and your" attitude out of the thread. If you dislike or disagree with his post then refrain from commenting or keep your response non-personal.

This goes for everyone on the thread. Discuss the issue not the participants and lets not egg each other on with personal potshots.

This guy goes personal in every other post and with it also bring every muslim around the world into it. He maybe elder in age wise but it dosn't shows in his posts with full of hatred towards Islam and Pakistan in general.
 
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Shan,

I don't go personal.

It is just your frustration that is showing in that you cannot refute with facts but with emotions.

And don't give me all that about elder and such like.

I am yet to see any deference, if indeed that is your calling!

When others get personal that is fine. But when I get personal that is not right.

I don't grudge that since petty stuff does not affect me as it apparently affects others.

I give facts and logic and not emotional claptrap!

I am no weeper or one that runs to find excuses to avoid accepting facts and reality.
 
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Shan,

I don't go personal.

It is just your frustration that is showing in that you cannot refute with facts but with emotions.

And don't give me all that about elder and such like.

I am yet to see any deference, if indeed that is your calling!

When others get personal that is fine. But when I get personal that is not right.

I don't grudge that since petty stuff does not affect me as it apparently affects others.

I give facts and logic and not emotional claptrap!

I am no weeper or one that runs to find excuses to avoid accepting facts and reality.

You not only go personal but with it also bring every one. Look at ur post again.

"You are the type who finds his personality in conflict and strife.

You are the type that is ever fighting with your inner self.

Reality scares you that your importance will vanish if there is peace and understanding.

You and your type are the stumbling block to peace, happiness and friendship.

I cannot say may your tribe increase as I would of Abu Ben Adhem!

But then you do not know of Abu Ben Adhem or do you?

You and your type are the cause of our problems as neighbours!"


First you acusse him of being something and then start bringing every one into it which is your favorite habit.
 
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You not only go personal but with it also bring every one. Look at ur post again.

"You are the type who finds his personality in conflict and strife.

You are the type that is ever fighting with your inner self.

Reality scares you that your importance will vanish if there is peace and understanding.

You and your type are the stumbling block to peace, happiness and friendship.

I cannot say may your tribe increase as I would of Abu Ben Adhem!

But then you do not know of Abu Ben Adhem or do you?

You and your type are the cause of our problems as neighbours!"


First you acusse him of being something and then start bringing every one into it which is your favorite habit.

So you are a "one post opinion maker"?

Please see how many posts I have written favouring Pakistan!

That is in vain?

Narrow minded bigotism has it limit!

Does my praising sane posters of Pakistani origin a crime?

Funny logic.

This is the type of logic I find baffling!

Being an Indian doesn't mean that I hate Pakistan and Pakistanis.

You may hate India and Indians as a birthright.

But that is not my genre and upbringing!

For Christ's sake, do not put me in the same plane as yours - hate!

I do not have hate!

That is why I look forward to posts by Agnostic, Mastan and Niaz.

Have you wondered why they or I have no hassles with each other?

They educate.

They have no hang ups or hate!

They are human as I am.

The care for the making people understand as I do.

I believe in logic, realpolitik and facts as they do!

But then I reckon it is Greek to many whose livelihood and passion is hate!
 
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So you are a one post opinion maker?

Please see how many posts I have written favouring Pakistan!

That is in vain?

Narrow minded bigotism has it limit!

You judge people in a second which ur last line about me prove this "Narrow minded bigotism has it limit!". How many more posts do you want as proof that you indeed go personal and judge people and their kind instantly especialy if they are Pakistanis and muslims. And the articles from 3rd rate websites you post here all the time is only fact acording to those who hate Pakistan with passion. Seriouly for once post something worth mentioning as fact.
 
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Mods! Please ban this Salim dude, He is a hindu extremist disguising behind a muslim name.:pdf:
 
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