India funded Afghanistan warlords instead of former government, US report says

[ayesha.a]

Who would tell the story of India bleeding out the USA in Afghanistan?

As explained several times, India was funding anti-Taliban (and hence, by extension, pro-US and pro Govt of Afgh forces.) Pakistan was funding the anti-govt Taliban.

 

[El Sidd]

As explained several times, India was funding anti-Taliban (and hence, by extension, pro-US and pro Govt of Afgh forces.) Pakistan was funding the anti-govt Taliban.

As explained earlier by you that criteria was based on Indian interests not American interests which clearly do not align in Afghanistan.

 

[jamahir]

I personally believe (maybe you do too) that the Taliban are abhorrent, especially from the point of view of the women in that country, but that will not stop India from cozying up to them. I don't like it, but that is the nature of geopolitics.

As explained several times, India was funding anti-Taliban (and hence, by extension, pro-US and pro Govt of Afgh forces.) Pakistan was funding the anti-govt Taliban.

Contradiction.

BTW, are you really Muslim ? Or are you just a Rubika Liyaquat ?

 

[ayesha.a]

Contradiction.

What is the contradiction?

 

[jamahir]

What is the contradiction?

You first acknowledge that the Modi government ( right-wing, fascist, irrational, misogynist ) is collaborating with the Taliban ( with the same above attributes ) but you also say that the same Modi government was actually dealing with the anti-Taliban group. But the truth is that like attracts like and hence things like Indian military training soldiers of the Taliban :

Secondly, Modi government wouldn't have "helped Afghanistan" with wheat and all if the governance ideology was not Taliban but the Socialists or Communists like the Solidarity Party of Afghanistan.

 

[Jeeten Parikh]

US names India as a Terror Sponsor state​

India funded Afghanistan warlords instead of former government, US report says​

March 5, 2023 at 8:38 am | Published in: Afghanistan, Asia & Americas, India, News, US

Former Afghan Army general Hibatullah Alizai [Facebook]

March 5, 2023 at 8:38 am
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The Indian government funded Afghan warlords instead of the former Afghan government prior to the Taliban's takeover in 2021, newly published American documents have indicated.
According to the latest report by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR), released on Tuesday and titled 'Why the Afghan Security Forces Collapsed', former Afghan Army general Hibatullah Alizai was quoted as saying that Atta Mohammad Noor and Abdul Rashid Dostum – two former warlords and provincial militia leaders in Afghanistan's north – went to India and got money from India to create a resistance in the North."
He insisted that while that was good, "that money should have gone to the Afghan government to pay ANDSF [army] forces' salaries. That should have been directed to the central government to be distributed lawfully."
Alizai stressed that "I as a commander was requesting money for operations and supplies, but I could not get it from the government. But Dostum got money just from making phone calls to the Indians. That funding should have gone to the central government and central bank."
SIGAR's report attempts to assess the primary reasons for the collapse of the former Afghan military – trained by US and Western forces throughout the past two decades – in the face of the advance and victory of the Taliban on 15 August 2021.
READ: US-trained death squads are the dark legacy of the war on terror
The country's fragile political situation at the time, the rampant corruption in the government and military ranks, and the hasty withdrawal of US forces which resulted in almost $7.2 billion in military equipment being left behind are all commonly-cited reasons for the rapid decline and collapse of the Western-backed system in Afghanistan.
What is less cited, however, are the prominent role that warlords such as Dostum and Noor played in that system, with their local rule, crimes, and corruption being ignored and unaccounted by Kabul and its Western military backers.
That component was seen as an essential part of the Afghan government's form of rule, with such warlords holding historic or personal enmity against the Taliban. Many reportedly fled to countries to Tajikistan or Turkiye upon the takeover, and some reconciled with the group and its new government.
India's role in supporting the former Afghan government has also been well-known over the years, particularly in terms of financial support and the provision of annual scholarships to Afghan military personnel to be trained in India. SIGAR's latest report, however, also seems to prove New Delhi's funding not to Kabul and its government, but to those notorious warlords.
In the report, General Alizai also mentioned the United Arab Emirates (UAE) as a backer to figures such as Dostum, stating that the "Emirates gave Dostum about 200 brand new Land Cruisers".

Why would India fund any terrorists ? Don't be daft.

India has American blood on their hands.

Some 30+% of doctors in the US are of Indian origin. Ofcourse they must handle American blood.

 

[jamahir]

Why would India fund any terrorists ? Don't be daft.

Hindutvaad is the oldest terrorist ideology in human history. "India" doesn't fund terrorists ( I and other progressives, sensible and oppressed people are in India too ) but the Indian government and its money backers like Adani and Ambani do.

 

[Jeeten Parikh]

Me? Or do you mean India? Every nation assesses friends and foes in foreign nations, and especially in the neighborhood. That's statecraft.


Nowhere as corrupt as the Government of Afghanistan was.


Oh, boy. You do know that Pakistan was funding and arming the Taliban, right? Why do you think Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar were all killed in Pakistan? Why do you think the US had a drone strike program for over a decade inside Pakistan?

India was funding anti-Taliban forces, and Pakistan was funding the Taliban - who were the anti-govt faction. I don;t know how to explain this more simplistically.



This is laughable, coming from a Pakistani. When the war on terror started, Pakistan shook in its pants and gave airbases, landbases and naval routes to the evil "West". If any country has been used by the "West" in this millenium, it is Pakistan. India values its sovereignty - other than buying some hardwaare from the west, and also from Russia, India owes nothing to the West. The "West" was using your own airbases to drone strike your own people for over a decade. Talk about being used. When has India ever stooped to such lows?

You hit the nail on the head

Hindutvaad is the oldest terrorist ideology in human history. "India" doesn't fund terrorists ( I and other progressives, sensible and oppressed people are in India too ) but the Indian government and its money backers like Adani and Ambani do.

Great Hymn to the Aten- Was Akhenaton a prophet of Allah?

This Egyptian Hymn really does put a lot of things into context and as I have mentioned before there is a connection between the Israelites to the Egyptians and followers of Akhenaton (1353BCE - 1336BCE). Israelites are Egyptian followers of Akhenaton who were persecuted and fled after the...

defence.pk

If by Hindutva you mean the dharmic lifestyle, you are wrong.

If by tht term you mean the nonsensical and ritualistic ideologues , sure they are stupid but not terrorist sponsors.

Terrorism as we commonly understand nowadays is mostly attributable to things like the suicide bombers, 9/11, 26/11 etc that usually are committed by radicalized islamists.

 

[ayesha.a]

You first acknowledge that the Modi government...

And this is where you are going wrong. Like most mature democracies, India's foreign policy is not beholden to the government of the day. Affairs of state have a longer lifespan than the five years of an elected government. India's foreign policy has been the same for decades now. It doesn't matter if it is the BJP in power or the Congress or anybody else, there has not been much change in our foreign policy - this is where bureaucracy is a blessing. But that is a topic for another day.

Instead of thinking about the Modi govt (and I am no fan of theirs), think about the IFS and intelligence agencies - they have a far longer memory than you could imagine. They are the ones who shape and implement our foreign policy.

As explained earlier by you that criteria was based on Indian interests not American interests which clearly do not align in Afghanistan.

Of course India acted in her own interests! That's what sovereign nations do. And they did align with American interests, because both our interests were against the Taliban gaining power.

 

[hatehs]

What this cuckold of an Indian user doesn't understand is anti-Taliban forces I just a euphemism for people involved in drug trafficking, war crimes, and rape. Btw notice how this cuckold has more concern about the interests of India in Afghanistan than the interests of their own community in India itself? Based Low IQ cuckold, maybe Gobi-Ji will only let Bajrang Dal goons use you a couple of times and not allow them to murder you afterwards like they do with other Muslim women for your brave posting efforts here.

 

[One_Nation]

Me? Or do you mean India? Every nation assesses friends and foes in foreign nations, and especially in the neighborhood. That's statecraft.

Throwing random terms that you don't know about? Statecraft happens in ones own country not in other countries.

Oh, boy. You do know that Pakistan was funding and arming the Taliban, right? Why do you think Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omar were all killed in Pakistan? Why do you think the US had a drone strike program for over a decade inside Pakistan?

India was funding anti-Taliban forces, and Pakistan was funding the Taliban - who were the anti-govt faction. I don;t know how to explain this more simplistically.

Pakistan vs Afghanistan is completely different situation compared to India vs Afghanistan. Pakistan didn't even have a border with Afghanistan at that time and there is population and territory overlap. India had no reason to fund chaos and violent groups there. This was India's act of global terrorism.
Rest of your gibberish has nothing to do with the point being raised in this thread.

This is laughable, coming from a Pakistani. When the war on terror started, Pakistan shook in its pants and gave airbases, landbases and naval routes to the evil "West". If any country has been used by the "West" in this millenium, it is Pakistan. India values its sovereignty - other than buying some hardwaare from the west, and also from Russia, India owes nothing to the West. The "West" was using your own airbases to drone strike your own people for over a decade. Talk about being used. When has India ever stooped to such lows?

Some more gibberish. What has India got to do with Pakistan's dealing with USA after 9-11? Pakistan was center of it all and did everything to avoid war.
Every country makes difficult decisions if faced with war. What did India face that they offered their bases without even being asked? That and the drama that India created after 9-11 is well known.
Offering services without being asked is not a sovereign behaviour, its more of behaving like a pesky street prostitute.

 

[ayesha.a]

What did India face that they offered their bases without even being asked?

We didn't.

Offering services without being asked is not a sovereign behaviour, its more of behaving like a pesky street prostitute.

You might want to be careful throwing around terms like "prostitute". India did not offer her territory for foreign bases. Pakistan did. Your own people were droned to death from your own airbases for over a decade.

 

[One_Nation]

We didn't.


You might want to be careful throwing around terms like "prostitute". India did not offer her territory for foreign bases. Pakistan did. Your own people were droned to death from your own airbases for over a decade.

You were not born then or were young. Vajpayee offered it. Don't use your lack of knowledge for denial.
All that still doesn't take away the fact that India is/was a state sponsor of terrorism.

 

[ayesha.a]

You were not born then. Vajpayee offered it. Don't use your lack of knowledge for denial.
All that still doesn't take away the fact that India is/was a state sponsor of terrorism.

How many American aircrafts have taken off from India to bomb Afghanistan or Pakistan? The answer is zero.

How many American aircrafts have taken off from Pakistan to bomb Afghanistan and Pakistan? The answer is in the thousands, if not tens of thousands.

Have some sense of shame.

 

[SQ8]

You did what you needed to stabilize your western border. Iirc that was your position, but that process that created bulk of cannon fodder for hekymetyaar, haqqani and sayyaf and subsequently the og taliban, same Akora Khattak setup too yielded the ttp. But no that has to be indian conspirators, there is no way that radicalization can evolve to bite pakistan back until India is involved.
This is the same India backed ttp that Khan wanted to rehabilitate, was brilliantly managed by erstwhile ISI chief Faiz Hamed, and subsequently entered negotiations with PA. Sorry for your personal losses in this Shitshow, but before you whipout your sanctimonious jab, do spare a thought for the thousands your brass has butchered through proxies.

There is no doubting the links between the two - but just there is no doubting the financing provided to TTP by India.

If the establishment did this grave miscalculation on the fluidity of fighters and warlords between Taliban and TTP, that didn’t mean Indian dollars didn’t flow from the Afghan consulates to both them and BLA.

While you decry sanctimony that doesn’t exist(its literally admissions in my post), try not resorting to the usual Indian high horse hypocrisy. I lost close family to your fucking dollars so I have NOTHING to discuss on your innocence routine.

I must say, I did not expect this language from you of all people. I have gracefully ignored all the gutter-speak against me from people who are capable of nothing else, and simply concentrated on the topic at hand. But if this is the way you choose to converse, that is your prerogative - as always, I shall try my best to address the issues and ignore the personal insults.

Yes, we just sent them wheat - as I admitted to another poster above, India (like all nations) does whatever is in her interest, and it may well be true that India is now trying to ingratiate itself to the new regime in Afghanistan. I personally believe (maybe you do too) that the Taliban are abhorrent, especially from the point of view of the women in that country, but that will not stop India from cozying up to them. I don't like it, but that is the nature of geopolitics.

And there is the Indian high horse - the sanctimonious “Oh - I am above this” when you spent the last three pages only throwing flames at Pakistan. Please spare us and get lost