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The following article's about India seeking to reclaim the LAC it controlled before the clashes in May- through 'disengagement talks'

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https://indianexpress.com/article/i...ntal-progress-status-quo-ante-at-lac-6523561/


India for incremental progress, status quo ante at LAC
New Delhi has decided to stick to its strategy of “incremental change despite slow progress” while pressing for the end-goal, the restoration of status quo ante as of April — before the start of the military standoff.

India and China are expected to schedule the fifth round of talks at the Corps Commander level next week to resolve the situation along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh.

New Delhi has decided to stick to its strategy of “incremental change despite slow progress” while pressing for the end-goal, the restoration of status quo ante as of April — before the start of the military standoff.

It has also ruled out application of any kind of military pressure against China as an option, so as to avoid any inadvertent escalation(because it's weak and unable to take military action against china- not that it doesnt want to).

A government official told The Sunday Express that both sides have agreed to hold the talks at the level of the Corps Commander during the meeting Friday of the Working Mechanism for Consultation & Coordination on India-China Border Affairs, but the agenda for the talks is yet to be approved.

The date for the talks will be finalized only after the agenda is approved, and can be expected to be held towards the end of next week.

“It is a very institutionalized process. Before every Corps Commander talks, the agenda is approved in Delhi. There is a meeting of the China Study Group which sits down and approves what the commander can propose and agree to. He is an instrument in the process, not the decision-making authority,” the government official said.

READ | Agreement with China on early, complete disengagement: India

After the last round of talks at the level of the Corps Commander on July 14 which failed to break the deadlock, there was a view within the government that there was a need to keep the Chinese off-balance in the next round of talks, as Beijing seemed to be comfortable with the new status quo on the border.

This view was based on the argument that if military options are ruled out and India is prepared for a prolonged standoff and winter deployment, it should not accept any half-measures or proposals for partial disengagement on the LAC at this stage.

“There was a view that we should adopt a strong and rigid posture on our demands for restoration of status quo ante. At this stage, we should show our stubbornness, we need to keep the Chinese off-balance, not comfort them,” an official told The Sunday Express.

The consensus in the government, however, seems to have veered around the continuation of its existing strategy of the past 12 weeks of the standoff. It rules out any use of military options, either as a quid pro quo action or in any other form of military leverage, while focusing on the end goal of restoration of the status quo ante.

“Our end goal is restoration of the status quo ante, in as many steps as it takes. Anything which facilitates the stated outcome is important for the end goal. Yes, the progress has been very slow but there has been incremental change despite slow progress on the ground. I mean, without going into specifics, there has been some thinning out of troops even in the last few days and there will be some positive results to show before the next talks between commanders,” a second government official said.

Explained: Why it is a challenge maintaining troops on LAC
“The Army will remain deployed for the long haul, and logistics preparations have already started for that. If required, there can be even a permanent deployment. That is crystal clear,” the official said.

On the lack of discussion about the situation in Depsang Plains, where the Chinese have denied the Indian side access to five patrolling points, the official said “our aim is for resolution in the entire eastern Ladakh. But the current focus is on Pangong.”

A senior Army officer confirmed the government official’s stance on status quo ante and prolonged stand-off by pointing to a television interview given by Northern Army Commander, Lt General YK Joshi to CNN-News18 on Saturday.

“What I can tell you in simple words is that we shall continue all efforts to restore the status quo ante along LAC. I believe the negotiations and process of disengagement and the commitment of both sides to adhere to the laid down methodology would dictate the timelines of the stand-off,” Lt General Joshi told the news channel.

READ | ‘Like-minded’, India can protect interest against China: Mike Pompeo

As reported earlier, there has been limited progress in disengagement on the ground, leaving the situation tense on at least three of the friction points: PP17A in Gogra, Pangong area and Depsang Plains. As per intelligence sources, a sustained strength of 2,000 PLA soldiers has been blocking Indian patrols in Depsang for 10 weeks now.

In the assessment of intelligence agencies, China is attempting to make the Kugrang Tsangpo river as the new LAC at PP15 and PP17A in the Hot Springs sector. It has also not removed its posts on the forward slope of Finger 4 at Pangong Tso, and has further strengthened its deployment close to Finger 6, sources said.
 
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Well what is the rush, As IA changed rules of engagement. Lets wait and see. Meanwhile whole world will see chinese expansion behavior and commitment to the bilateral agreements.
 
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China did a satelite image-worthy middle finger at India, what 'commitment' is there in the first place?


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What is the achievement or objective of this? How old are you?
 
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Commentary:

The following article's about India seeking to reclaim the LAC it controlled before the clashes in May- through 'disengagement talks'

Source:

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...ntal-progress-status-quo-ante-at-lac-6523561/


India for incremental progress, status quo ante at LAC
New Delhi has decided to stick to its strategy of “incremental change despite slow progress” while pressing for the end-goal, the restoration of status quo ante as of April — before the start of the military standoff.

India and China are expected to schedule the fifth round of talks at the Corps Commander level next week to resolve the situation along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in Ladakh.

New Delhi has decided to stick to its strategy of “incremental change despite slow progress” while pressing for the end-goal, the restoration of status quo ante as of April — before the start of the military standoff.

It has also ruled out application of any kind of military pressure against China as an option, so as to avoid any inadvertent escalation(because it's weak and unable to take military action against china- not that it doesnt want to).

A government official told The Sunday Express that both sides have agreed to hold the talks at the level of the Corps Commander during the meeting Friday of the Working Mechanism for Consultation & Coordination on India-China Border Affairs, but the agenda for the talks is yet to be approved.

The date for the talks will be finalized only after the agenda is approved, and can be expected to be held towards the end of next week.

“It is a very institutionalized process. Before every Corps Commander talks, the agenda is approved in Delhi. There is a meeting of the China Study Group which sits down and approves what the commander can propose and agree to. He is an instrument in the process, not the decision-making authority,” the government official said.

READ | Agreement with China on early, complete disengagement: India

After the last round of talks at the level of the Corps Commander on July 14 which failed to break the deadlock, there was a view within the government that there was a need to keep the Chinese off-balance in the next round of talks, as Beijing seemed to be comfortable with the new status quo on the border.

This view was based on the argument that if military options are ruled out and India is prepared for a prolonged standoff and winter deployment, it should not accept any half-measures or proposals for partial disengagement on the LAC at this stage.

“There was a view that we should adopt a strong and rigid posture on our demands for restoration of status quo ante. At this stage, we should show our stubbornness, we need to keep the Chinese off-balance, not comfort them,” an official told The Sunday Express.

The consensus in the government, however, seems to have veered around the continuation of its existing strategy of the past 12 weeks of the standoff. It rules out any use of military options, either as a quid pro quo action or in any other form of military leverage, while focusing on the end goal of restoration of the status quo ante.

“Our end goal is restoration of the status quo ante, in as many steps as it takes. Anything which facilitates the stated outcome is important for the end goal. Yes, the progress has been very slow but there has been incremental change despite slow progress on the ground. I mean, without going into specifics, there has been some thinning out of troops even in the last few days and there will be some positive results to show before the next talks between commanders,” a second government official said.

Explained: Why it is a challenge maintaining troops on LAC
“The Army will remain deployed for the long haul, and logistics preparations have already started for that. If required, there can be even a permanent deployment. That is crystal clear,” the official said.

On the lack of discussion about the situation in Depsang Plains, where the Chinese have denied the Indian side access to five patrolling points, the official said “our aim is for resolution in the entire eastern Ladakh. But the current focus is on Pangong.”

A senior Army officer confirmed the government official’s stance on status quo ante and prolonged stand-off by pointing to a television interview given by Northern Army Commander, Lt General YK Joshi to CNN-News18 on Saturday.

“What I can tell you in simple words is that we shall continue all efforts to restore the status quo ante along LAC. I believe the negotiations and process of disengagement and the commitment of both sides to adhere to the laid down methodology would dictate the timelines of the stand-off,” Lt General Joshi told the news channel.

READ | ‘Like-minded’, India can protect interest against China: Mike Pompeo

As reported earlier, there has been limited progress in disengagement on the ground, leaving the situation tense on at least three of the friction points: PP17A in Gogra, Pangong area and Depsang Plains. As per intelligence sources, a sustained strength of 2,000 PLA soldiers has been blocking Indian patrols in Depsang for 10 weeks now.

In the assessment of intelligence agencies, China is attempting to make the Kugrang Tsangpo river as the new LAC at PP15 and PP17A in the Hot Springs sector. It has also not removed its posts on the forward slope of Finger 4 at Pangong Tso, and has further strengthened its deployment close to Finger 6, sources said.
If China has the upper hand and Indians are weak, why would Chinese military personnel attend the meeting?
 
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If China has the upper hand and Indians are weak, why would Chinese military personnel attend the meeting?
Becos Chinese are pragmatic people. They will not act arrogant just becos they have the upper hand. But if necessary to show who is the boss, they will not hesitate like slaying 20 indian soldiers with not a single death.
 
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Becos Chinese are pragmatic people. They will not act arrogant just becos they have the upper hand. But if necessary to show who is the boss, they will not hesitate like slaying 20 indian soldiers with not a single death.
Not a good way to bargain if you think about it. Still haven't learned anything from British who occupied HK for 150 years.
 
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Not a good way to bargain if you think about it. Still haven't learned anything from British who occupied HK for 150 years.
How is not a good way when 20 indian soldiers got slay with no death? I guess who know who has the upper hand. The place where the indian soldiers got slay is still in Chinese hand.

Indian politician need to save face from local backlash can only seek sanctuary with indian media war with all kind of misinfo about their victory while Chinese backoff or scared of India military. Can China control India media? No...

If you think after Chinese slay 20 indian soldiers with no death has no upperhand. That is absolutely delusion.

Imagine if 20 Chinese soldiers are slayed by India with no Indian soldier death. PLA would have roll into 200km into India and wipe out their whole division or a army. Same apply to US military or Russia. Why Chinese would still negotiate with India? Obviously the one got their butt kicked is India.

You shall ask India why they didnt immediately take revenge or start massive war against China with such humiliation? Obvious answer is PLA is much stronger. They dont fight a war when you are in disadvantage.
 
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How is not a good way when 20 indian soldiers got slay with no death? I guess who know who has the upper hand. The place where the indian soldiers got slay is still in Chinese hand.

Indian politician need to save face from local backlash can only seek sanctuary with indian media war with all kind of misinfo about their victory while Chinese backoff or scared of India military. Can China control India media? No...

If you think after Chinese slay 20 indian soldiers with no death has no upperhand. That is absolutely delusion.

Imagine if 20 Chinese soldiers are slayed by India with no Indian soldier death. PLA would have roll into 200km into India and wipe out their whole division or a army. Same apply to US military or Russia. Why Chinese would still negotiate with India? Obviously the one got their butt kicked is India.

That is the reason, PLA not releasing its casualties. Because PLA was not ready for full fledged war.
 
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That is the reason, PLA not releasing its casualties. Because PLA was not ready for full fledged war.
Modi ask us not to release the real casualty for PLA to spare him further humiliation that Indian soldiers are so weak in front of PLA. And it works

Right from Modi own speech. No Indian land is lost. He indirectly admit its moment of folly from his management. Imagine the congress will grill Modi and ask to start a war with China immediately if he tells Congress China captured a big chunk of India land. A war which Indian ill afford to start.

 
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That is the reason, PLA not releasing its casualties. Because PLA was not ready for full fledged war.
If Chinese officials say no death you people will be the first to say ITS FAKE .I know Indian mentality too well.
However by not releasing the numbers it's pissing off Indians more. Maybe that's what they want or maybe their thinking is old style and by not releasing they want to calm the situation.
 
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