India fails to get international sympathy after 44 soldiers killed in Kashmir - an observation

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Interesting Question.

Now, I have Three Questions For you :

1. If the past attacks which occurred in Pakistan are analysed with the SAME/EXACT approach ( Origin of Explosives, Nationality of Participants and Equipment Source ) Can they and any future incidents be relaxed from any Indian Connection by You AND Pakistani Agencies ?

I've always argued that regardless of who might be running & funding the training camps in Afghanistan (and FATA until the operations), the problem remains that these people are able to cross over easily and conduct these attacks.

The TTP, BLA and their off shoots continue to find sanctuary in Afghanistan, yet Pakistan dramatically reduced terrorism in the country by domestic actions and enhanced border controls and patrolling. Mullah Fazlullah continued to live in Afghanistan and lead the TTP till last year, yet Swat has remained peaceful for years now since he and his murderous hordes were driven out.

In the Pulwama attack, all the elements are local. It's not even some complex, coordinated assault you can claim required months of training in some camp in Pakistan.

2. ..., JeM , LeT all have done so OPENLY. Infact hafiz Saeed, Masood Azhar and their Likes are "Normal" citizens who happen to be Declared Terrorists by UN.
3. Regarding the Pakistani Connection : JeM has claimed the Responsibility and JeM is based in Pakistan is that Enough to at-least "suspect" a "Pakistani" connection ?

So what? Did they personally train this man? Did they Western Union money to him? Are you so blinded that you can't see that hatred towards India exists among Kashmiris and that there are enough people there that can be further indoctrinated locally to sacrifice themselves while attacking Indian security forces they see as an occupying force?

Do you really think that the pictures and videos of Kashmiris strapped to the front of the vehicles of Indian security forces, victims of pellet guns, stories of innocent Kashmiris being arrested and killed by Indian security forces etc don't have a damaging impact on a local population already seething with a desire to become independent? And this is just the stuff that we can track on local and international media! Do you realize how much more information gets transmitted by word of mouth? How narratives about an 'occupying force' are interpreted, exaggerated and transmitted from person to person? How that narrative is impacted by every subsequent event?

And I still see many Indians threaten and rant about 'settling Kashmir with people from the rest of India' - do any of you even realize how that kind of attitude plays into the existing vortex of Kashmiri animosity towards India?

 

[Chanakyaa]

There comes the cat out of the bag. The BJP were under the illusion that the Kashmiri people would just sit idle and watch Indian forces and pandits rape their children.

Do you think that Kashmiris Got 300 Kg of Explosives on their own ? Wait we did know how Taliban got Stingers.. don't we ?

But then we know that if US was involved in Afghanistan..supplying the stingers.. "someone" must be there in Kashmir... ? isnt it ?

What I fail to understand is, It true You have been successful in Bleeding us...Mumbai....Pulwama....Great... Many Indians Dead... Mission Accomplished.... You have shown.. you can really HIT India Hard.... Congrats !!

But what I don't understand is... What is the Benefit when...70 years down the lane..... Your nation is Bankrupt..
Is it really helping ?....especially when the EXCUSE that WHY Pakistani is Bankrupt..is often attributed to..."Pakistan in state of war" since 20 years.... I dont see any efforts to actually get out of that Phase....

God Help Pakistan

In the Pulwama attack, all the elements are local. It's not even some complex, coordinated assault you can claim required months of training in some camp in Pakistan.

Well, You made an Unsuccessful attempt to shy away from the issue. Take the case of PNS Mehran Attack.
All men from Your Navy... Attacking their own base.

Yet, India and Israel are Blamed. Why ?

https://tribune.com.pk/story/174995/misinterpreting-the-pns-mehran-attack/

It seems you fell for the Lie.

So what? Did they personally train this man? Did they Western Union money to him?

Im sorry, I forgot that Even OBL case was "orchestrated" as Pakistan had no role.... You are right.
Pakistan was just proving the Shelter, Electricity and Water supply. Just like OBL fooled you guys.. Jem is doing the Same...

Im sorry.

Are you so blinded that you can't see that hatred towards India exists among Kashmiris and that there are enough people there that can be further indoctrinated locally to sacrifice themselves while attacking Indian security forces they see as an occupying force?

Ask the Golden Question : Why was this force .. these Evil Men NOT there before 1980 ?
Why was there NO Kashmiri issue before 90s ?

Someone or Something Started in 80-90s . Ask yourself What was it ?

Do you really think that the pictures and videos of Kashmiris strapped to the front of the vehicles of Indian security forces, victims of pellet guns, stories of innocent Kashmiris being arrested and killed by Indian security forces etc don't have a damaging impact on a local population already seething with a desire to become independent? And this is just the stuff that we can track on local and international media! Do you realize how much more information gets transmitted by word of mouth? How narratives about an 'occupying force' are interpreted, exaggerated and transmitted from person to person? How that narrative is impacted by every subsequent event?

Did you even ask the SAME..DITTO Questions for Atrocities in East Pakistan ?
If you are so sympathetic to "Kashmiris" why double standards when it comes to Muslims in China ?

Besides, has Pakistan Army not used FORCE to counter Anti-national Elements inside Pakistan ? Has China not done the Same ?

The fact is, Kashmiris are being Actively USED , Brainwashed by You for Asymmetric Warfare. Nothing More. Nothing Less.

Pakistan "caring" for Kashmirs is like US helping "Iraqi Freedom".

 

[graphican]

The Russian Embassy stressed the need to combat such inhuman acts with a decisive and collective response, without any double standards.

Ambassadors of France, Germany, Australia, Turkey, Canada and Czech Republic also condemned the attack.

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has strongly condemned the attack, calling for the perpetrators to be brought to justice. At the press briefing, Mr Guterres' spokesperson Stephane Dujarric wished a speedy recovery to those injured in the attack.

When asked about India's appeal to international community to support the proposal to list terrorists, including Masood Azhar, as a designated terrorist, Mr Dujarric said, the issue is one that is in the hands of the UN Security Council.

Expressing solidarity, neighbouring countries Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Sri Lanka and the Maldives vowed to combat terrorism jointly.

Nepal Prime Minister KP Sharma Oli called up Prime Minister Narendra Modi and conveyed his heartfelt condolences. Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Kathmandu in a statement said Nepal unequivocally condemns terrorism in all its forms and manifestations and believes that such heinous acts cannot be justified on any ground.

Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, in a message through the country's High Commission, extended her support. She said her country maintains a zero tolerance policy against any kind of terrorist activities.
Sri Lankan President Maithripala Sirisena said, the world must condemn such brutal attacks and take effective action to prevent such incidents in future.

Maldivian President Ibrahim Mohamed Solih said, his country will continue to work with India and the international community to combat the menace in the region and the world at large.

Maldivian Foreign Affairs Minister Abdulla Shahid sent a message to External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj conveying his sympathy to the government and people of India.

UAE called on the international community to unify efforts in confronting extremism and terrorism that pose a threat to global security and stability.

You are damaging your case with these trivial "condolences" and "condemnations of terrorism". Doesn't India blame Pakistan first and terrorism later? But Pakistan is no where to be seen in these general statements. Even I feel sad for the loss of Indian soldiers and think they could've been saved by removing from the state of occupation. So what are you trying to say that world moaned for the death of 44 indian soldiers? Sure everybody would have.

All countries who refuse to follow Indian tongue and are condemning terrorism in general are actually depriving Indian its opportunity to hear what it wants them to say against Pakistan. You are actually losing than winning here.. and when you are getting something... what is that? Sympathies and condolences? That is not going to "Isolate Pakistan" as you had thought.

So really interesting to find Indian designs against Pakistan are failing this bad.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Any killings of innocents is wrong.

But let me remind you Kashmir is disputed territory. India needs to settle this matter with a Plebiscite.

 

[American Pakistani]

India copied Pakistan .. wait.. what ?
I mean the country which copied happens to be a 3T economy and the other is Bankrupt... ? what am I missing here.

You Sir.. can You PLEASE tell me WHAT EXACTLY did India COPY from Pakistan ?

lol.

India copied Pakistan that how opening of economy to the world helps strengthen the economy. Even South Koreans copied Pakistan. Pakistan of late 50's and 60's and mid 70's was way different economically than Pakistan of today.

India's success story started after it opened up. That's when foreigners ran to take a sip of milking cow mata which helped indian govt directly and indirectly.

Any killings of innocents is wrong.

Sirjee, what innocence are you talking here? The indian occupier terrorists are worst than Israelis because their media, govt and military are all involve in crimes against Kashmiris. Imagine how the Kashmiris face mental trauma everyday when indian forces torture and kill their sons in front of their parent/siblings, how they rape their daughters mothers in front of their families, etc etc.

 

[Path-Finder]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1096421677280489474

I hope Pakistan activates International diplomacy. There is NO excuses.

 

[American Pakistani]

Ask the Golden Question : Why was this force .. these Evil Men NOT there before 1980 ?
Why was there NO Kashmiri issue before 90s ?

Someone or Something Started in 80-90s . Ask yourself What was it ?

That is when indian atrocities started and India felt it can fool Kashmiris and claim it as their territory. You started acting as Kashmir belong to India. That is when you killed many known Kashmiris. One among them was Maqbool Bhat who was loved by Kashmiris and was an iconic figure. You miscalculated and we're fooled that by showing aggressive stance will win you the territory once for all but you failed miserably.

 

[Path-Finder]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1096268653589397505

valid points made here!

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Well, You made an Unsuccessful attempt to shy away from the issue. Take the case of PNS Mehran Attack.
All men from Your Navy... Attacking their own base.

Yet, India and Israel are Blamed. Why ?

My position has always been that the Pakistani government and relevant institutions need to improve domestic security and intelligence gathering to prevent these attacks, regardless of who the alleged backers are, and regardless of what the public accusations are, there have never been official calls for some kind of retaliatory action against the alleged backers.

Im sorry, I forgot that Even OBL case was "orchestrated" as Pakistan had no role.... You are right.
Pakistan was just proving the Shelter, Electricity and Water supply. Just like OBL fooled you guys.. Jem is doing the Same...

What was orchestrated about it? The guy was pretty smart and managed to live off the grid for years. In fact, it was intelligence from AQ members captured by Pakistan and handed over to the US that played a part in the overall intelligence that eventually led to the operation to capture OBL.

Ask the Golden Question : Why was this force .. these Evil Men NOT there before 1980 ?
Why was there NO Kashmiri issue before 90s ?

Someone or Something Started in 80-90s . Ask yourself What was it ?

Easy enough to answer - the perceived defeat of a superpower by the Afghan mujahideen made a violent struggle appear feasible for many. And if you really want to ask the question of root cause, then that remains the Indian refusal to implement the UNSC Resolutions that call for Kashmiri self determination, UNSC Resolutions that the Indian government herself committed to multiple times before reneging on them.

And on that note, the current Taliban and US negotiations, especially if successful, are not going to help things for India since they'll promote the narrative that violent resistance can be successful. The narrative will be 'the defeat of 2 superpowers'.

Did you even ask the SAME..DITTO Questions for Atrocities in East Pakistan ?

The 'atrocities' in East Pakistan were committed by both sides and occurred when the conflict had already started (with Indian help). Prior to that the issue was the discrimination against East Pakistanis and the refusal of the West Pakistani leadership to share power or accept the results of an election in which Mujib won. You won't find me disagreeing that the political situation that led to the civil war was the result of policies in West Pakistan.

If you are so sympathetic to "Kashmiris" why double standards when it comes to Muslims in China ?

Not my business, not territory that is disputed between India and Pakistan.

Besides, has Pakistan Army not used FORCE to counter Anti-national Elements inside Pakistan ? Has China not done the Same ?

I'll let the Chinese speak for themselves, but yes, of course Pakistan has used force, but apparently whatever policies we have used in FATA and Balochistan, those policies have not turned a majority of the people of those areas against us. That's not the case in Kashmir, but that could also be because Kashmir is unique in terms of being internationally recognized disputed territory and because the Kashmiris have been promised self determination and don't mostly don't see themselves as Indian.

The fact is, Kashmiris are being Actively USED , Brainwashed by You for Asymmetric Warfare. Nothing More. Nothing Less.

Pakistan "caring" for Kashmirs is like US helping "Iraqi Freedom".

We can't 'brainwash' millions of people. The Kashmiris have always wanted self determination and most of them don't consider themselves Indian, or for that matter Pakistani. No one can exploit something that isn't already ready to be exploited. For example, the Pakistani government, military and commentators all recognize that the use of force against insurgents/terrorists in Balochistan and FATA is only one part of the puzzle - economic development and political participation are the only long term solution. But again, Balochistan and FATA don't pose the kinds of challenges that Kashmir does for India because of the nature of the dispute.

On a side note, all this talk of 'retaliation against Pakistan' is useless. The only successful example of such an approach are the Israelis, and they are in a unique situation geographically and in terms of the disparity of power. India can never hope to change the Pakistan vs India dynamic to a Palestinian vs Israeli dynamic. The only country with the ability to do so is possibly the US, and the US isn't next to Pakistan nor is it going to expend blood and treasure to prop up either Afghanistan or India to create a Israel vs Palestine type situation with Pakistan.

 

[Verve]

Worth noticing that after 48 hours of attack in Pulwama, no country has sided with Indian story nor supported allegations against Pakistan.

Internationally

• US envoy to India has condemned the attack and Sarah Sanders repeated her cliché asking Pakistan to end support of all terrorists networks. She didn't however blame Pakistan for the attacks and her demand was "what has been since a decade ago."
• UN secretary general, without naming Pakistan or any entity, has condemned the terrorist attack and demanded action against those who are responsible.
• Russia, there is no statement
• China, has refused to back Indian claims for putting Masood Azhar on terrorist list.
• Saudi Arabia, no statement
• Iran, no statement
• England, no statement
• Germany, no statement
• France, no statement
• Afghanistan, no statement.

In Kashmir

• In Kashmir, Indian puppet Farooq Abdullah refused to blame Pakistan and has said "acts like this are a routine in Kashmir" - thus trivialised the incident.
• Kashmiris in general have celebrated death of occupying forces and reportedly 7000+ Kashmiris gathered to offer death prayer for the Kashmiri attacker.

In Pakistan

• Other than foreign office, Pakistan didn't care to speak about the incident.
• Dr. Shahid Masood however told Pakistan army is in high alert and they are ready as they always are.
• Expecting terrorist activities from India, schedule of Saudi Crown Prince has been changed and he will be flown to PM house instead of taking the road trip. Rest of his visit and activities are happening as planned.

Concluding
It's been a significant time since the attacks and on ground India is pretty alone. Like Pathankot air base attack, India is failing to get any backing from any other country. India's usual partners USA has spoken in the favour of India but it is too easy to get a favourable statement from them and their open support to India reduces impact of their backing. They too, however didn't blame Pakistan for its involvement in the attacks.

It's too early to conclude but on the world stage - India pretty much stands alone.

Wait for a doctored recording like after Mumbai.

 

[AZ1]

World sees as India did itself to their armymen so that no investment can flow in Pakistan. That's why they are crying after this no one give a damn to their crying.

 

[batmannow]

I just wish indian army airforce , or evn navy tries something silly or evn make a video surgical strike this time , thy ill be made a laughing stock for sure , cause this time pakistan will strike hard back , evn if thy just try to make fake strike ?lol

World sees as India did itself to their armymen so that no investment can flow in Pakistan. That's why they are crying after this no one give a damn to their crying.

Investment ????
Do u know whts cpec is ???
Actully world is crying why pakistan is giving china a huge route ??lol

 

[MultaniGuy]

India copied Pakistan that how opening of economy to the world helps strengthen the economy. Even South Koreans copied Pakistan. Pakistan of late 50's and 60's and mid 70's was way different economically than Pakistan of today.

India's success story started after it opened up. That's when foreigners ran to take a sip of milking cow mata which helped indian govt directly and indirectly.



Sirjee, what innocence are you talking here? The indian occupier terrorists are worst than Israelis because their media, govt and military are all involve in crimes against Kashmiris. Imagine how the Kashmiris face mental trauma everyday when indian forces torture and kill their sons in front of their parent/siblings, how they rape their daughters mothers in front of their families, etc etc.

You can call me Multani Sahib, not sirjee, I am not an Indian.

Look, they did it out of revenge. Killing anyone innocent is wrong. Yes Indian army does wrong by committing atrocities against Kashmiris.

 

[American Pakistani]

You can call me Multani Sahib, not sirjee, I am not an Indian.

Look, they did it out of revenge. Killing anyone innocent is wrong. Yes Indian army does wrong by committing atrocities against Kashmiris.

Respect your opinion but I do not consider them innocent at all. They are 100% terrorists, terrorizing and raping Kashmiri people.

 

[Hamza913]

Miscalculated Blunder.

Rofl what? The Pakistani military took the dominating feature in the region (which the PA still controls to this day) and kept the IA and IAF at bay for about 2 months (despite being outnumbered 6:1), still clutching onto a chunk of the region before retreating from most of it due to political pressure from both the US, the Pakistani government and other elements of the Pakistani military.

You lost.

Thousands of Pakistani Soldiers Got Killed.

You have lost 3 Peaks