'India faces threat of another 26/11, likely to act militarily', says US think tank

[Kompromat]

My 2 suggestions to India's Brainless Brass

Suggestion no 1:

Wake up !! and have this tablet.

With one of these




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Suggestion no 2:

 

[brahmastra]

self delete

 

[grey boy 2]

India's national security adivsor M K Narayanan to step down - Times Online

From Times Online January 16, 2010

India’s veteran national security adviser, M K Narayanan, has confirmed that he is stepping down as part of a massive overhaul of the country’s security apparatus prompted by the 2008 militant attacks on Mumbai.

Mr Naryanan, who is 75 and oversees internal and external security, as well as nuclear and military issues, told The Times that he expected to be replaced imminently in one of the most powerful jobs in the country.

“The powers that be probably think that I need a quieter life,” said Mr Narayanan, who is considered close to Manmohan Singh, the Prime Minister, and Sonia Gandhi, the Congress Party chief.

“I’m very happy doing what I am, but I also recognize that I’ve done five and a half years in this job,” he said.

“There comes a time for a change. Maybe it’s a good time to leave. It’s at a time when I think everything has gone on very well. So I can always go out on a high.”

Mr Naryanan has been the dominant figure in India’s security establishment for much of the last two decades, having headed the domestic Intelligence Bureau twice since 1987, as well as the Joint Intelligence Committee.

But he has faced mounting criticism since the Mumbai attacks, which exposed the poor training of India’s security forces and the lack of coordination between its various intelligence and law enforcement agencies.

When he offered to resign after the attacks, Prime Minister Singh refused to accept.

Since then, however, Mr Narayanan's brief as been steadily eroded by P Chidamabaram, the energetic Home Minister who was appointed last year and has launched a drive to overhaul and streamline the domestic security system.

Last month, Mr Chidambaram proposed splitting his ministry so that he could focus entirely on domestic security, and creating a national counter-terrorism centre by the end of this year to pool the resources of intelligence and law enforcement agencies.

India’s government is particularly anxious to prevent another attack by Pakistan-based militants from disrupting the Commonwealth Games which are being held in Delhi in October.

“From Pakistan’s point of view, it’s important to disrupt the Games so you can claim that India’s not a safe place,” Mr Narayanan said.

“We are prepared for these contingencies, but if you ask me: 'Are you sure?' Certainly not. Likely? Of course it’s possible.”

Mr Narayanan declined to comment on who his successor might be, but the favourite is thought to be Shiv Shankar Menon, who was previously Foreign Secretary – the top civil servant in the Ministry of External Affairs.

Mr Menon, a former ambassador to China, was replaced as Foreign Secretary last year after being blamed for including a reference to Pakistan’s southwestern province of Baluchistan in a joint communiqué with Pakistan.

Pakistan has long accused India of backing a separatist insurgency in Baluchistan, but India has always denied the charge and had previously refused to acknowledge Pakistan’s concerns on it in joint statements.

A second possible candidate to succeed Mr Narayanan is Shyam Saran, another former Foreign Secretary who is currently the Prime Minister’s advisor on climate change.

Mr Narayanan is expected to be appointed Governor of the state of West Bengal – a largely ceremonial position with no executive power which acts as the local representative of India’s President.

News of the personnel change comes as Richard Holbrooke, the US envoy for Pakistan and Afghanistan, is due to arrive in India on Monday for talks on regional security issues.

He had been expected to hold talks with Mr Naryanan on issues such as how India can contribute to stablising Pakistan and Afghanistan, but it is now unclear if that meeting will take place.

 

[gogbot]

War will only cause much more severe terrors against India.
It's a bad choice for India.

Hypothetically
What would you do if terrorists from a neighboring country came on a suicide mission to Honk Kong, shot and killed a few hundred and then blew them selves up.

And the neighboring country where the plan was hatched and the ring leaders present refuses to cooperate on bringing the perpetrators to justice.

You have a few hundred people dead in Honk Kong and the neighboring country refuses to cooperate to bring the perpetrators to justice.

tell what would the CPC do,

 

[faithfulguy]

Hypothetically
What would you do if terrorists from a neighboring country came on a suicide mission to Honk Kong, shot and killed a few hundred and then blew them selves up.

And the neighboring country where the plan was hatched and the ring leaders present refuses to cooperate on bringing the perpetrators to justice.

You have a few hundred people dead in Honk Kong and the neighboring country refuses to cooperate to bring the perpetrators to justice.

tell what would the CPC do,

What did India do?

When the last time someone kill almost 3000 Americans. Taliban was driven out of power in Afghanistan. And Iraq was invaded. But I'm not sure if this is thought out well before its happened.

I do not know what would CPC do as its security apparatus would not allow this to happen in Mainland China. But if its Hong Kong, its more likely. However, I do not see any country would do that to Hong Kong. So I doubt China has a contigency plan for such an event. If it would happen, it would be base on who did it and who its supporters are, I believe.

 

[remarker]

So what if the terrorists come from China? You going to attack China?


well china and India are growing power china has no free time they have lots of work to do

Pakistani don't have any god work and they have lots of free time so they try to disturb the region

you should be thanks to govt of India

 

[Hulk]

War is not an option. It will disturbe our economic growth, on the other hand Pakistan will bleed too economically it will hit both. If Pakistan continues to support elements which do terorrism in India, we should review RAW and flame Pakistan as much as we can. The cost of terrorism should be raised as high as possible.

I am against terrorism but that is only option with country that uses it against you.

 

[MilesTogo]

The cost of terrorism should be raised as high as possible.

Couldn't agree more...

 

[karan.1970]

Come Indians lets decide once in a while , we will be waiting this time , you will start we shall finish..!!!

Hey I remember this rant from that idiotic Zaid Hamid video.. c'mon folks, I thought this forum was better than this

 

[Kompromat]

Hey I remember this rant from that idiotic Zaid Hamid video.. c'mon folks, I thought this forum was better than this

You better not bring ZH in this discussion , you guys are suffering from Zaidophobia

 

[Kompromat]

Uff red font and everything?!

damn. that's pretty scary. I don't know if we want to start anymore

Why do you get so emotional dude?

the article says that India is likely to respond militarily after the next terrorist attack( likely, not definitely), I think we should, but policy makers know best I guess. I just don't know how they'll explain their inaction to the public if they choose not to go to war. simple.

Pakistan warns India against hegemonic mindset
By Iftikhar A. Khan
Thursday, 14 Jan, 2010



ISLAMABAD: Pakistan warned India on Wednesday against its relentless pursuit of military preponderance and said it would have severe consequences for peace and security in South Asia and the Indian Ocean region.

The National Command Authority, which met here under Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani, took serious note of recent Indian statements about conducting conventional military strikes under a nuclear umbrella and said such irresponsible statements reflected a hegemonic mindset, oblivious of dangerous implications of adventurism in a nuclearised context.

The NCA also took note of the developments detrimental to the objectives of strategic stability in the region. It observed that instead of responding positively to Pakistan’s proposal for a strategic restraint regime in South Asia, India continued to pursue an ambitious militarisation programme and offensive military doctrines.

“Massive inductions of advanced weapon systems, including installation of ABMs (anti-ballistic missiles), build-up of nuclear arsenal and delivery systems through ongoing and new programmes, assisted by some external quarters, offensive doctrines like ‘Cold Start’ and similar accumulations in the conventional realm, tend to destabilise the regional balance,” the meeting noted.

A statement issued by the PM House said: “Pakistan cannot be oblivious to these developments.” It was the first meeting of the NCA after President Asif Ali Zardari promulgated the National Command Authority Ordinance and divested himself of the powers of its chairman in November last year.



The meeting expressed satisfaction over the safety and security of Pakistan’s strategic assets and effectiveness of its strategic deterrence. It emphasised the importance of Pakistan’s policy of credible minimum deterrence and maintaining strategic stability in South Asia.

The authority reaffirmed Pakistan’s policy of restraint and responsibility and its resolve to continue efforts to promote peace and stability in South Asia. It underscored the need for preventing conflict and avoiding nuclear and conventional arms race in the region.

The NCA noted that the India-specific exemption made by the Nuclear Suppliers Group and subsequent nuclear fuel supply agreements with several countries would enable New Delhi to produce substantial quantities of fissile material for nuclear weapons by freeing up its domestic resources.

It reiterated that while continuing to act with responsibility and avoiding an arms race, Pakistan would not compromise on its security interests and the imperative of maintaining a credible minimum deterrence.

The meeting reviewed plans for generation of nuclear power under IAEA safeguards as part of national energy security strategy to ensure sustained economic growth and welcomed the renewed international interest in nuclear power generation to meet the challenge of climate change.

As a country with advanced fuel cycle capability, it said, Pakistan was in a position to provide nuclear fuel cycle services under IAEA safeguards, and participate in any non-discriminatory nuclear fuel supply assurance mechanism.
The NCA expressed satisfaction at steps taken by Pakistan at the national level for nuclear safety and security, which would continue to be important considerations in the context of national nuclear power development plans.

N-disarmament

It reaffirmed that as a nuclear weapon state Pakistan was committed to working as an equal partner in international efforts for general and complete nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation. In this regard, the NCA stressed the need for non-discriminatory policies and accommodation of the reality of Pakistan’s nuclear weapon status for promoting global non-proliferation goals.

The meeting emphasised that promotion of nuclear non-proliferation and disarmament objectives in South Asia were linked with regional security dynamics and the need to address existing asymmetries and resolution of outstanding disputes.

The NCA stressed that as the sole disarmament negotiating forum the Conference on Disarmament (CD) in Geneva should play its due role in global nuclear disarmament. As far as a Fissile Material Treaty at the CD was concerned, Pakistan’s position would be determined by its national security interests and the objectives of strategic stability in South Asia, it said.

“Selective and discriminatory measures that perpetuate regional instability, in any form and manner, derogate from the objectives of nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation and, therefore, cannot be accepted or endorsed. Pakistan will not support any approach or measure that is prejudicial to its legitimate national security interests.”

An official told Dawn after the meeting that India’s ‘Cold Start’ strategy was a threat to strategic stability of South Asia. India’s growing military prowess, capabilities and aggressive designs implied war-provoking intent by practical manifestation of the ‘Cold Start’ doctrine.



He said the hit and mobilise concept would further squeeze space for diplomacy and political manoeuvres for avoiding a conflict. This strategy was likely to increase the threat in an unpredictable manner at various rungs of the escalation ladder, he added.

He said it was inherently flawed to further engage nuclear South Asia in an arms race rather than diverting efforts and resources to alleviate social needs of poor segments of society. Strategic equilibrium prevalent in the subcontinent would be impacted with negative repercussions, he said.

Explaining the concept of the ‘Cold Start’ doctrine, a defence analyst said it envisaged applying linear ground forces for multiple thrusts, backed by massive fire power well before Pakistan completed its mobilisation and international community could intervene.

He said the doctrine laid stress on offensive strike, but without giving battle indicators of mobilisation to maintain chances of strategic surprise while remaining below nuclear threshold. Political decision for war would be taken at the outset.

Talking about the broad contours, he said traditional operational art of maintaining distinction between strike and defensive formations would be done away with. The war was planned to be fought by integrated battle groups (IBGs) synergised and supported by Indian Air Force and Navy.



Since the IBGs would be pre-positioned closer to international border and the Line of control, these would commence operations with least build-up and preparation and would thus achieve surprise under the doctrine, he added.

Shaping the battlefield through new concept of war, incorporating all available technical-driven assets and fire power platforms would remain the hallmark of an Indian offensive.

Analysts observed that in Indian military planners’ view there was space available for a short notice, short-duration war with curtailed objectives despite the nuclear factor. Nuclear capability has added to Pakistan’s security by impinging upon India’s liberty of action under the nuclear overhang.



As the efficacy of all-out conventional war within the nuclear environment became questionable, India started studying the possibility of a limited conflict with curtailed application of military instrument and objectives.

Tags: National Command Authority,NCA,Indian statements,military strikes

 

[equiliz3r]

You better not bring ZH in this discussion , you guys are suffering from Zaidophobia

Kasab is a sikh and his name is Amar singh : Zaid Hamid

well i hope you havent forgotton this great statement by ZH........you are requested to inform hi that "Comedy Circus" needs him.
Thanks

 

[Kompromat]

^^ You are just a waste of time man...

 

[FireFighter]

India doesn't have the moral courage to strike Pakistan even if faced more kashmir based militant attacks. There was a newspaper article about it which created a lot of furor amongst indians here few months ago.

It takes a lot of gut and will power to wage a war on another country, not to mention tremendous moral conviction. India lacks all of it because it knows it's an oppressive state organised and ruled by a hindu elite, and one must understand the regional psyche and thinking that play into making war on another country. because it knows and fears the consequences in such a scenario, it knows Pak would not tolerate any nonsense and the response would be one ferocious bite that will rip her up economically n geographically.

Even if India becomes a major military might similar to the US in the region, it will still lack the moral conviction. Heck even the US lacks moral conviction to attack Iran knowing that it won't be able to hit back in the states but might be able to hit and shake Israel which is American regime's softest spot or weakness in the region that does the job of bullying the arabs so as to allow American hegemony in the region. Heck if Americans lived next to Iraq they would never have attacked it knowing the scuds can reach the wall street.

Indian hindu religion coupled with social and cultural values play a huge role in the thinking. No concept of afterlife amongst the contemporary modern day Indians, no concept of internal purification, salvation and success benchmarks are all defined through accumulation of material wealth. When a nation has such benchmarks for success and priorities, it leaves little room for sacrifice, and waging war on another country is all about collective sacrifices at national level.

Having said this I do believe that mainstream ordinary hindus are very peaceful and tolerant people if you take their ruling elite out that makes the policies.

Last but not least, Chinese people on the other hand can never be compared to Indians at any level as they substantially differ culturally religously and morally and the overall Indian psyche.

 

[naved_kam]

India doesn't have the moral courage to strike Pakistan even if faced more kashmir based militant attacks. There was a newspaper article about it which created a lot of furor amongst indians here few months ago.

Post that article here and let us discuss the Indian moral cowardice in any way that you would like to. I think just in the last week, we morally uncourageous Indians sent 11 morally brave children killer pakistanis to meet 70 hoors each.

It takes a lot of gut and will power to wage a war on another country, not to mention tremendous moral conviction. India lacks all of it because it knows it's an oppressive state organised and ruled by a hindu elite, and one must understand the regional psyche and thinking that play into making war on another country. because it knows and fears the consequences in such a scenario, it knows Pak would not tolerate any nonsense and the response would be one ferocious bite that will rip her up economically n geographically.

We are used to hearing these statements every few years and then the coward muslims and elite hindus of India answer to your misadventures once every few years to press the refresh button on your memory. So now that the same amnesia has set in to you again, we can see that the time for the refresh button is now anyway due......the only question is which algorithm will we have to solve for you this time, I mean will it be to disprove 1 equall to 10 or will it be to refute the "thoussand cutts story". The 70 hoors hypothesis seems more probable in your current state of mind it seems. You also mentioned ripping apart geographically..... not clear....... oh you mean like 71 ripping apart? NNNNNoooooooo you cannot be serious.... are you?? And economically...........ummmm..... cofee anybody????

Even if India becomes a major military might similar to the US in the region, it will still lack the moral conviction. Heck even the US lacks moral conviction to attack Iran knowing that it won't be able to hit back in the states but might be able to hit and shake Israel which is American regime's softest spot or weakness in the region that does the job of bullying the arabs so as to allow American hegemony in the region. Heck if Americans lived next to Iraq they would never have attacked it knowing the scuds can reach the wall street.

Out of perspective on this one. You see, please do not compare Indian situation with Pakistan with that of U.S with Iran today. If you want to be comparing it, please do it with U.S situation with Talibani Afganistan at the turn of this century. I forget the year......... ummmm..... look it was the same year when this gentleman called Mr. Richard Armitage had asked your then Dictator President to either bend over or get bombed to stone age. You see, the idea is to compare sources of non-sense and people with determination of bringing these sources down.

Last but not least, Chinese people on the other hand can never be compared to Indians at any level as they substantially differ culturally religously and morally and the overall Indian psyche.

Though there is a saying that "flattery can get you anywhere" it normally gets you in serious inside - outside trouble. You see I spent some time in Middle East, still do. And there I have a few Pakistani friends. And one evening over dinner on the boat on Dubai Creek (beautiful place by the way), we were having a discussion and they told me something and I quote, "once the people who take pride in being a Pakistani start calling the shots in Pakistan, the India - Pakistan trouble will be over. The thing is that the powerful in Pakistan are currently those who think that there genes spores flew in from Persia or Arabia just before they were born." Unquote.

Mine and your culture is the same. If you want to disown your culture and abuse it, go ahead. I will not allow you to denigrate mine.