India faces Afghan test, as ally calls for military aid

[The Green1]

Wake up and smell some coffee - Pasthuns are 40% of the total Afghanistan population and unless you argue that Taliban commands 100% of these people's support (which I have seen only in certain middle-eastern elections), one can't claim Taliban as the representative of Afghani people. They are a major player and that is where it stops.

You lack of information is admirable.
Talibans dont represent afg people yet they live amongst them and enjoy support. Talibans are a major player but they dont represent afgs ? how come they are a major player and dont represent afg people ? If they dont represent afgs then who ? aliens ? I think it is you who needs to get some coffee and give some activity to your brain.

 

[Sashan]

You lack of information is admirable.
Talibans dont represent afg people yet they live amongst them and enjoy support. Talibans are a major player but they dont represent afgs ? how come they are a major player and dont represent afg people ? If they dont represent afgs then who ? aliens ? I think it is you who needs to get some coffee and give some activity to your brain.

TTP lives in Pakistan - do you think they command majority support in Pakistan? Don't bother to answer that. It is a rhetoric question.

 

[ajtr]

Why do you think the conflict will continue? Indians and Pakistanis atleast think of themselves as two different groups of people and this division is getting more and more prominent farther away from 1947 both nations go. There is nothing to prove for both the countries to each other once the major issue is resolved.

People dont run the country govts do and in pakistan's case its the army which runs it.At people to people level there may be all the bonhomie but at govt. to govt level both will keep on fighting.

Both govt's use other country to hide their own incompetence at home as in in india's case GOI blaming Pakistan for everything under the sun including assam riots and exodus from southern cities.Same the case with Pak govt. blaming every thing on india -for example their water mismanagement issue,TTP,karachi killings all.

So even if you solve all the issues today there will always be new issues mushrooming to hide the incompetence of any of the govt.

Btw PA wont sit quite untill it gets its own revenge of 1971 surrender so proxies will keep on attacking even if there is kashmir or no kashmir.

How about saving the Indian muslim population from tyrant hindu regime of india???This can be another perfect issue to attack india.
Or india creating another mukti bahini in pakistan.

So its a cat and mouse game untill either of one player is subdued out of existence.There is no middle way in it.

 

[The Green1]

TTP lives in Pakistan - do you think they command majority support in Pakistan? Don't bother to answer that. It is a rhetoric question.

TTP ? thats what you guys call them. If you read the history you know who talibans are and where they reside. The criminals and internationally funded agents call themselves ttp but this isnt true.

 

[ajtr]

TTP ? thats what you guys call them. If you read the history you know who talibans are and where they reside. The criminals and internationally funded agents call themselves ttp but this isnt true.

For india there are no good/bad/ugly/moderate ...etc taliban.for india all are same.

 

[Sashan]

People dont run the country govts do and in pakistan's case its the army which runs it.At people to people level there may be all the bonhomie but at govt. to govt level both will keep on fighting.

Both govt's use other country to hide their own incompetence at home as in in india's case GOI blaming Pakistan for everything under the sun including assam riots and exodus from southern cities.Same the case with Pak govt. blaming every thing on india -for example their water mismanagement issue,TTP,karachi killings all.

So even if you solve all the issues today there will always be new issues mushrooming to hide the incompetence of any of the govt.

Btw PA wont sit quite untill it gets its own revenge of 1971 surrender so proxies will keep on attacking even if there is kashmir or no kashmir.

How about saving the Indian muslim population from tyrant hindu regime of india???This can be another perfect issue to attack india.
Or india creating another mukti bahini in pakistan.

So its a cat and mouse game untill either of one player is subdued out of existence.There is no middle way in it.

Don't you think once the major issue is resolved, PA will lose its relevance with the people? Though PA is all powerful, people's support is paramount for them to pull a stunt like a coup or influence foreign policy of Pakistan.

As for India, Indian politicans can't live on the fallacy anymore and have to concentrate on real issues like economic growth and foreign policy going beyond Pakistan especially with the growing educated middleclass population and number of youth voters. The people had tasted blood(in a good way) since 1990s and they won't make a compromise anymore with the people below BPL shrinking and would be less than 200 million by 2020.

 

[ajtr]

Don't you think once the major issue is resolved, PA will lose its relevance with the people? Though PA is all powerful, people's support is paramount for them to pull a stunt like a coup or influence foreign policy of Pakistan.

Nope it will never lose its relevance in pak society viz-a-viz india.It will keep on dictating its terms wrt to india even if there is civilian ruling the isb.

As for India, Indian politicans can't live on the fallacy anymore and have to concentrate on real issues like economic growth and foreign policy going beyond Pakistan especially with the growing educated middleclass population and number of youth voters. The people had tasted blood(in a good way) since 1990s and they won't make a compromise anymore with the people below BPL shrinking and would be less than 200 million by 2020.

Above all fine but even then GoI is able to cover up its mistakes with famous "videshi haath" cliche' of Indira Gandhi.KNPP is another example of it.
Btw GoI cant always afford to sit quite and show restrain with ever provoking attack.Somewhere it has to reply.

 

[Sashan]

Nope it will never lose its relevance in pak society viz-a-viz india.It will keep on dictating its terms wrt to india even if there is civilian ruling the isb.

Above all fine but even then GoI is able to cover up its mistakes with famous "videshi haath" cliche' of Indira Gandhi.KNPP is another example of it.

India will find another bogeyman - maybe China or as I am seeing in another thread - the famous big bad wolf - US.

Lets hope peace prevails (but not these kinds of stupid half-hearted attempts like Aman ki Asha stuff which I do not believe in).

 

[W.11]

Now coming to the Afghan relation - just few words - just give hem whatever they need dammit. We should be thanking our stars that such a situation has arisen inspite of us not doing much. We should not let go of the opportunity and take this golden chance to split the Pakistani armed forces into Eastern and Western fronts instead of their traditional "Eastern only" approach.

good luck with that

Dude instead of talking here why dose not Pakistan sign a border agreement with Afghanistan and supply them with weapons after all we have no problem if Pakistan supports Afghanistan (and pls not the Taliban)

Why cant Pakistan become the Architect of a free fair and Democratic Afghanistan. if Pakistan stop supporting the Taliban in Afghanistan automatically u guys win yourself an ally.

right, so that they back stab us, like the did for years and decades??

why did we feel the need to create taliban?

we did it because afghanistan was a nuiscence from the beginning of pakistan's existance

 

[ajtr]

Not even after Kashmir is resolved. The Indo-Pak issue has many facets and political issues (Kashmir, Sir Creek etc) are just one of them. So I would not expect full peace even after the Kashmir issue getting solved.

you should not expect peace until one of either pakistan or india goes down.two swords can't be put into one sheath

Now coming to the Afghan relation - just few words - just give hem whatever they need dammit. We should be thanking our stars that such a situation has arisen inspite of us not doing much. We should not let go of the opportunity and take this golden chance to split the Pakistani armed forces into Eastern and Western fronts instead of their traditional "Eastern only" approach.

In a day and age when our own eastern front requires more reinforcement and army potentially needed in dealing with internal situations like Maoists, this splitting up of the Pak formation would be of invaluable help.

India cant afford to displease islamabad by providing millitary equipment to ANA and face the reaction of it in india.

 

[ajtr]

India will find another bogeyman - maybe China or as I am seeing in another thread - the famous big bad wolf - US.

India will remain a south asian power for next 2-3 decades with pakistan always its challenger.India is not mature enough.or should i say indian leadership has no gumption to act as Power to recon with.As Maldives and nepal and SL has shown.

Lets hope peace prevails (but not these kinds of stupid half-hearted attempts like Aman ki Asha stuff which I do not believe in).

Aman ki asha is not govt initiative its peoples' initiative hence seems half hearted to you.It can be terminated by the govts any time.

 

[Sashan]

India will remain a south asian power for next 2-3 decades with pakistan always its challenger.India is not mature enough.or should i say indian leadership has no gumption to act as Power to recon with.As Maldives and nepal and SL has shown.

Aman ki asha is not govt initiative its peoples' initiative hence seems half hearted to you.It can be terminated by the govts any time.

The highlighted is a true statement. As for Aman ki Asha, unless non-state players are reeled in by Pakistan(which ofcourse Pakistan will not do as India will place the issues in backburner), the people to people interactions is futile though I am lucky to interact with Pakistani people at my work and that has allowed me to get rid of the hate I was brought up with in India with when growing up by the Televisions and Radios and newspapers and I am glad I am not a toad in the well. In fact, I would safely say I trust couple of Pakistani co-workers than few Indians at my work.

Buy beyond that, I deplore any major concessions(it goes both ways - for Pakistan as well for India) as these are temporary measures and it will contribute to only tactical loss for a country. For example, Gujral's foolish gesture and how it has affected the efficiency of RAW.

 

[ajtr]

The highlighted is a true statement. As for Aman ki Asha, unless non-state players are reeled in by Pakistan(which ofcourse Pakistan will not do as India will place the issues in backburner), the people to people interactions is futile though I am lucky to interact with Pakistani people at my work and that has allowed me to get rid of the hate I was brought up with in India with when growing up by the Televisions and Radios and newspapers and I am glad I am not a toad in the well. In fact, I would safely say I trust couple of Pakistani co-workers than few Indians at my work.

Buy beyond that, I deplore any major concessions(it goes both ways - for Pakistan as well for India) as these are temporary measures and it will contribute to only tactical loss for a country. For example, Gujral's foolish gesture and how it has affected the efficiency of RAW.

What are state actors and what are non-state actors.And since when india start using cliche' that too invented by zardari.?

As for aman ki asha...its genenral populate movement and they have no control over govt's games.
As for concessions its for india to offer as its bigger country.

 

[Black Widow]

I personally believe that Indian govt will not provide any Arms and ammunition to Afghan govt. Our official position is very clear, to assist Afghan in rebuilding there nation. Our help will be limited to non-combat systems and infrastructure.

1. Infrastructure : Road, Hospital, Buildings, Schools etc
2. Vehicles (Army and civilian vehicles)
3. Support systems (Cloth, food etc)
4. Some money as grant....
5. Training Military, Doctors and Engineers...


Till date India has no policy to sell weapon to Afghans, Lets see aftr 2014 election govt will change its stand.

 

[Sher Malang]

Till date India has no policy to sell weapon to Afghans, Lets see aftr 2014 election govt will change its stand.

India had previously provided many spare parts for migs and sus of Afghan Air Forces - and I am quite sure they are gonna take this opportunity and supply some weapons to ANSF as it was already discussed in the strategic partnership agreement.

Pakistani fellows: we are going to have a strategic pact with you guys as well and there may be military aid from Pakistan too so bear in mind that any military gear coming from India will only help us fighting an insurgency not a war with a nuclear power!