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India does not have an ICBM programme

China is bigger than India in population.

So, according your logic, Chinese doesn't need ICBM and anti-missile systems? Maybe since china is largest ethnicity on earth, they should stop making bullets as well? LOL!

Actually, more the population & size, bigger is deterrence requirement. France doesn't need those big ICBM's. Its a pony country. They should ask Americans to install anti-missile systems on France borders. That will be enough for France.

China is poised to be the next superpower...they need these ICBMs as all the other potential enemies(the super powers of today) are beyond the range of the IRBMs...
 
Only in India where an MRBM can can be an ICBM. I'm certain that scientist in the US and Russia are idiots. They spending all those money and resources developing ICBM when they could have just made IRBMs ICBMs.

I don't think that is what the guy meant or said...
 
I think getting a true ICBM will be more of a political decision rather a technological advancement.

Thats why DRDO chief said 'the country shall get it when it needs it'

With agni 5 rated for 6000KM at 2500 kg payload, it hits all targets in china and with 1000KG weapon we can reach europe.

Buy why make it a matter of debate like irans or n koreas programme, when we sit fine just like israel?

India will have a real ICBM with success of agni 5, though it will still NOT officially categorise it as ICBM to avoid any political concerns.
 
All the math and definitions on orbit missed the point...

A rocket is a propulsion method. A missile is a projectile with an intended target. A bullet is a missile, but not a rocket. Either arrow or bolt is also a missile but neither is a rocket. If the target is the moon, then the Saturn rocket is arguably missile. An ICBM is a weapon that has all the elements.

If a country can place into orbit a satellite, said country certainly can create an ICBM. However, because the warhead is never intended to be a satellite in the first place, there is no need to have a satellite capability in order to have an ICBM capability. All the country needs is a program to create a reentry vehicle and this reentry vehicle's accuracy is another point.

So does India have an ICBM capability? Unless India can demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt that a reentry vehicle exist, India does not have an ICBM program.
 
As far as re-entry technology goes,

From 2007:

Indian Space Research Organization’s (ISRO) Space Capsule Recovery Equipment (SRE-1) has been returned to earth after orbiting for 11 days in space. The SRE-1 was launched to test recovery and re-entry techniques returned back to Earth safely. It was scheduled to come back safely on Earth around 9.30 am on Monday.

According to the space agency, the capsule has been splashed down in the Bay of Bengal and the space agency is trying to locate it and to bring it onto land.

Earlier, the ISRO had launched the SRE-1 by Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV-C7). It had been launched along with Cartosat-2 on January 10 from Sriharikota. The Polar had reached in the orbit after 16 minutes of its launch and took another four minutes to position the satellites.

The SRE-1, 550 kg of weight, was designed to test the re-entry vehicle technology. It was necessary to plan any manned space mission for what India is thinking now. The coastguard off the Ennore Coast near Chennai is looking to the capsule to send it back to the Indian space agency.



According to the report, the SRE was used to perform experiments in micro-gravity environment. The capsule was made of mild-steel and it was further comprised with aero-thermo structure, spacecraft platform, deceleration, and floatation system and micro-gravity payloads.

An ISRO official said that SRE is projected to test reusable thermal protection system, navigation, guidance and control, hypersonic aero-dynamics, management of communication blackout, deceleration and flotation system and recovery experiments.

As it was approaching to Earth, three parachutes have slowed down its speed when it was five km above the sea level. For this purpose, the pyro devices, avionics packages of triggering unit and sequencer, telemetry and tracking system and sensors for measurement of system performance parameters were placed inside the SRE capsule for the function.

Now, with the successful return of the SRE-1 capsule, India’s plans to send an unmanned mission to the moon in 2008 has got a boost. The manned mission is also in pipeline, however, it is not yet announced. The report says that the ISRO is aiming to put an astronaut into space by 2014.

Before India, only three countries such as Russia, United States and China have got the complex re-entry technology. It was India’s first attempt in this technology and the capsule safely brought back to earth.

wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Capsule_Recovery_Experiment
http://www.isro.org/satellites/sre-1.aspx
 
Should be something like this...

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Information from DRDO website:

RE-ENTRY VEHICLE STRUCTURE

•Established Non-impact fastening of bulkheads
•SHELL-on-SHELL Technology Established
•Designed & developed tape wound CP shells
•Bonding technique of CE / CP shells (Shell-on-Shell)
•NDT techniques for Shell-on-Shell RVS sections
•Completed Autoclave (small)control up gradation
•N2 pressurization system for 3 autoclaves
•Civil works realized for RVS assembly facility



While the above RV is for Agni-1, the necessary technologies (specifically Thermal Protection Systems) have been validated through ISRO's tests! Also, Agni-3 features a new finless RV design which can be seen on the internet. It was said that DRDO is working on MIRV's for Agni-5. We should then have the bus module as seen in the figures of american ICBM's!

Added Later: Agni-3 RV for reference:

 
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I have known that even cryo stage is an integral part of ICBM ,if so, with the success of indegenious cryo engine india has passed this hurdle too.

As far as reentry tech is concerned, i think even agni 2 and 3 have a re entry stage similar to a real icbm, so this was never an issue .
 
What a waste thread....
The thread title is "India does not have an ICBM programme"...but let me ask one reason India should "decide" for ICBM technology. I do not think of any. Some other members (who are quite good in calculating and knowing space science) may help me!!
The day India decides to go for it, it would achieve it. There is no technological issues I say. Thanks.
 
I have known that even cryo stage is an integral part of ICBM ,if so, with the success of indegenious cryo engine india has passed this hurdle too.

As far as reentry tech is concerned, i think even agni 2 and 3 have a re entry stage similar to a real icbm, so this was never an issue .

Cryo Stage need not be necessary. Most modern ICBM's are solid propellant missiles if I am not mistaken. These include minuteman as well as Trident series!
 
All the math and definitions on orbit missed the point...

A rocket is a propulsion method. A missile is a projectile with an intended target. A bullet is a missile, but not a rocket. Either arrow or bolt is also a missile but neither is a rocket. If the target is the moon, then the Saturn rocket is arguably missile. An ICBM is a weapon that has all the elements.

If a country can place into orbit a satellite, said country certainly can create an ICBM. However, because the warhead is never intended to be a satellite in the first place, there is no need to have a satellite capability in order to have an ICBM capability. All the country needs is a program to create a reentry vehicle and this reentry vehicle's accuracy is another point.

So does India have an ICBM capability? Unless India can demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt that a reentry vehicle exist, India does not have an ICBM program.

We have been testing re-entry vehicles for quite sometime now..
there was a recent satellite launch where in three or four sats were launched...
one of them was a re-entry vehicle which was extracted successfully...
we are testing re-entry vehicles for a possible manned mission sometime in the future too...
 

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