India, China should cast off shadow of history, move forward: Dai

[SinoChallenger]

It needs to be evaluated at a higher level that what will ensure that Vietnam is able to protect itself. It should be something like below;

Scenario a) If China solves disputes peacefully and as per international laws. (no need of any weapons).


Scenario b) If China desires to use military to attack and take over SCS, then provide enough weapons to Vietnam that DETER China from launching such a attack. The idea is to make China desist from attempting such an act. Now if missiles like Brahmos/Agni (under new names) are enough to deter China from the attack then thats what should be provided and no need of nukes. but if the assesment is that China will not be deterred and still attack despite Bhahmos, Missiles then Nukes must also be provided.

So what weapons to be provided under scenario b) would depend upon what is the level which will deter Chinese from attacking Vietnam.

Scenario C: PLA ground forces attack across Vietnam border and occupies Hanoi. Meanwhile PLAAF bombs new delhi into rubble and PLA ground forces cut off the entire northeast from the chicken's neck and attack into Ladakh. india disintegrates.

india doesn't even have thermonuclear weapons.... just puny 15 kt atomic iron bombs

China's 3000 thermonuclear weapons can turn nearly every Vietnamese and indian into hamburger if China wasn't such a peaceful country

 

[Skull and Bones]

Scenario C: PLA ground forces attack across Vietnam border and occupies Hanoi. Meanwhile PLAAF bombs new delhi into rubble and PLA ground forces cut off the entire northeast from the chicken's neck and attack into Ladakh. india disintegrates.

After intruding into Indian territory all the Chinese flying junk will be taken out by Aakash, S-300 and Python SAMs, meanwhile all the advancing chinese tropes will be taken out by Brahmos, and all tank batallions will be taken out by few CBU-105.

With loosening grip, Vietnam and Philippines will attack Chinese Navy with anti-ship missiles and claim all of SCS, After sometime japan will send their troops and conquer Diaoyu Island.

Taking cues from this chaos, Tibet and Taiwan will declare there independence, followed by liberation of Inner Mongolia.

Hence China disintegrates.

 

[Viet]

??? an unnuke country threaten use nukes to China, does VN fool????

No, we have no intention of possessing nukes.

Check the history of Vietnam, yes pls go back untill the foundation of ancient Vietnam´s Hung Vuong dynasties 29th century BC. We never attacked China, it was always China which attacked Vietnam.

Tell me if I am wrong.

Vietnam´s Hung Vuong Emperor

 

[neehar]

Scenario C: PLA ground forces attack across Vietnam border and occupies Hanoi. Meanwhile PLAAF bombs new delhi into rubble and PLA ground forces cut off the entire northeast from the chicken's neck and attack into Ladakh. india disintegrates.

india doesn't even have thermonuclear weapons.... just puny 15 kt atomic iron bombs

China's 3000 thermonuclear weapons can turn nearly every Vietnamese and indian into hamburger if China wasn't such a peaceful country

hahahaha just startin to feel this thread borin sino....and you made my day

 

[帅的一匹]

No, we have no intention of possessing nukes.

Check the history of Vietnam, yes pls go back untill the foundation of ancient Vietnam´s Hung Vuong dynasties 29th century BC. We never attacked China, it was always China which attacked Vietnam.

Tell me if I am wrong.

Vietnam´s Hung Vuong Emperor

Neighbors always conflicted in the history, quite normal.

 

[Viet]

Look at feasibility. How many nukes can Vietnam afford ? Are they ready to invest billions to get just one ? China has huge nuclear arsenal and its a vast country. Even if Vietnam somehow able to get its hands on nukes and somehow detonate one in China, you can imagine the fate of Vietnam. Secondly, China has no first use policy. Considering its conventional power and technological advantage it has over Vietnam, nukes may not even be considered.

Nukes come into play when there are countries with similar and low gap in capabilities. When conventional edge is not there, then nukes come into play. Look at case of US-USSR, US-China, India-Pakistan etc. Nukes will only come into play when there is very little difference in conventional firepower or if CFP of one nation is overwhelmed by the other.

That is correct. Do possessing of nukes make Vietnam safer?
No. China will consider a nuclear armed Vietnam as a serious threat. That is not Vietnamese policy.

 

[timetravel]

Neighbors always conflicted in the history, quite normal.

its quite different from,

its CHINA which always attacked Vietnam in all conflicts!

 

[neehar]

and i like to have a thermometer weapon of yours...im sry..thermonuclear is it??

 

[ajtr]

Scenario C: PLA ground forces attack across Vietnam border and occupies Hanoi. Meanwhile PLAAF bombs new delhi into rubble and PLA ground forces cut off the entire northeast from the chicken's neck and attack into Ladakh. india disintegrates.

india doesn't even have thermonuclear weapons.... just puny 15 kt atomic iron bombs

China's 3000 thermonuclear weapons can turn nearly every Vietnamese and indian into hamburger if China wasn't such a peaceful country

just before that vietnam will welcome bejing by showering rose petal supplied by banglore on agni missiles.

 

[SinoChallenger]

its quite different from,

its CHINA which always attacked Vietnam in all conflicts!

It's time to bring Hanoi back under Chinese rule and disintegrate india once and for all.

 

[acid rain]

Scenario C: PLA ground forces attack across Vietnam border and occupies Hanoi. Meanwhile PLAAF bombs new delhi into rubble and PLA ground forces cut off the entire northeast from the chicken's neck and attack into Ladakh. india disintegrates.

india doesn't even have thermonuclear weapons.... just puny 15 kt atomic iron bombs

China's 3000 thermonuclear weapons can turn nearly every Vietnamese and indian into hamburger if China wasn't such a peaceful country

We loan a few thousand nukes from the US or Russia, they will oblige...don't you think? then we all can play nukie nukie.

 

[Skull and Bones]

What is that? Flying dildo?

Chinese show of weapons, specially when shown by @SinoChallenger, looks damn funny.

 

[Viet]

If there would be any conflicts between China and Vietnam in the future, it is only confined to conventional ones. China has no first use policy: means we won't nuke others if others don't nuke china

There is a possibility that the SCS conflict escalating to a confrontation amid tensions among China and Vietnam. I hope both sides can reach an agreement on negotiating table. A (conventional) war is good for nobody, neither China nor Vietnam.

 

[trinity]

Plz dont get suckered by cheap talk. Read the Art of War. China's actions is what we understand and see. Words are merely hollow. China has armed Pakistan, NK and insurgents all over India. On top of that, it has actively engaged in all types of interference in our traditional spheres of influence. Don;t forget where ULFA chairman is sleeping! No doubt China and India has shared a long peaceful cherished history but Chinese actions within the past 3 decades has opened our eyes as well. Forget 1962. Im more focused on their actions this decaded alone. A long lasting friendship is fully attainable but the ball is in China;s court. India cannot back down and give in each and every time. It's not fair nor is it right.


Also to my fellow Indians, don;t be naive. China is ahead of us but we have the ability to catch up and run laps around many. Don;t ever forget that. China has been thinking since day 1 how to get ahead of the US. That type of thinking is great coz it forces you to think in a completely different way. India has very little direction due to NAM policies thinking that the world had changed after WW2. Time to get our act together and strive to be the best in EVERYTHING!

 

[SinoChallenger]

What is that? Flying dildo?

You could say that india is ready for penetration.

There is a possibility that the SCS conflict escalating to a confrontation amid tensions among China and Vietnam. I hope both sides can reach an agreement on negotiating table. A (conventional) war is good for nobody, neither China nor Vietnam.

Oh we are ready and eager

It will be so funny to see PLA armor rolling over Hanoi on my TV