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BBC News - India caste council blamed for five suicides

Caste leaders wield huge influence in India

Five people in the western Indian state of Rajasthan have committed suicide after allegedly being harassed by members of a village caste council.
Police say two letters found at the scene of the suicide accused village leaders of harassing them for money.
Four of the dead were from the same family. Two people have been arrested in connection with the suicide.
Caste councils enjoy tremendous social power in many parts of Rajasthan even though they have no legal authority.
The dead have been identified as Rajendra Jat, his wife Heero, their two children and a neighbour, Kunwari Bai. The only survivor was Mr Jat's 11-year-old daughter Mona.
The incident took place in Karauli district.
'Falsely accused'
In the suicide note, Mr Jat alleged that the caste council had falsely accused him of borrowing 50,000 rupees ($1,122) from Kunwari Bai.
Despite clarifications from him and Kunwari Bai, the caste leaders ordered him to return the money with interest, the letter stated.
Police say that Mr Jat, along with his family and Kunwari Bai, lay down on the railway tracks. They were run over by a passing train.
Mona survived as she felt cold and had moved between the tracks.
District Commissioner Neeraj Pawan told the BBC that the police were looking for the caste leaders and "strict action will be take against those who [may have] forced the family to commit suicide".
Senior police officer MR Meena, however, said although the suicide note blamed the village caste council, there could be another explanation for the suicides.
"It's a bit early to say anything for sure. We are investigating," he said.
 
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BBC News - Death penalty in India 'honour killings' case

Five men have been sentenced to death and one jailed for life over the 2007 murder of a couple who married against the wishes of village elders.
The court in the northern state of Haryana last week convicted the men of the murders of Manoj and Babli, who were killed a month after they eloped.
Elders said they violated local customs by marrying within the same sub-caste.
Observers say this may be the first time an Indian court has awarded such a penalty over an "honour killing" case.
The young couple were kidnapped while they were travelling on a bus in Haryana in 2007. Their bodies were discovered later.
Those sentenced to death are all relatives of the girl, Babli, and include her brother, two uncles and two cousins, Indian media reports say.
The head of the village council in Haryana's Kaithal district, which ruled against the couple's marriage, was given life imprisonment. A driver found to have helped abduct the couple was given a seven-year prison term.
The village council said that by local tradition people within the same sub-caste are considered to be siblings.
The case was brought by the family of Manoj, Babli's husband. Unconfirmed media reports say that the couple had approached the police with their fears shortly before they were kidnapped and killed.
Campaigners hailed the verdict as a blow against "honour killings", which are quite common in parts of northern India.
Correspondents say such killings have often not been reported or widely discussed in the past because families usually accept the verdicts.
Those found guilty in the case have the right to appeal. Death sentences in India are rarely handed down and even more rarely carried out
 
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is hindustan the only country in the world where ''caste-system'' exists?

very medieval and backwards by today's standards, i must say.
 
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The point of the thread was to raise awareness among fellow Indians who are more interested in Pakistani social affairs than their own country.
 
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Very true ..it's a very sad thing that caste-ism exist....even in Sikhs they follow more strictly than Hindus whom I met....half of the Sikh members here have their name signifying their caste/clan watever!! it's shameful...even here American friends ask me about this caste system junk and I never hesitate to deplore it!! come on ... South Asians are the most dirtiest (ugly) looking people I have encountered after living in so many places in the world and still they proud of being up/middle/low caste watever!
 
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South Asians are the most dirtiest (ugly) looking people I have encountered after living in so many places in the world and still they proud of being up/middle/low caste watever!

we dont have caste-system in Pakistan the way there is in hindustan

therefore, please leave us out of it :)
 
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we dont have caste-system in Pakistan the way there is in hindustan

therefore, please leave us out of it :)

Pakistan may not have caste-system but still they have Islamic sects which are hell bent on wiping out the other sect.
 
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we dont have caste-system in Pakistan the way there is in hindustan

therefore, please leave us out of it :)

I am not aware of this but tell me ..is it possible for Punjabi jatt muslim to marry a Pathan girl, or some Lucknow immigrated woman (Muhajir) to marry a Baloch man! I was seeing shaadi.com and there was this things among muslim -> shia, sunni, khan, dawoodi, memon, maliki, rajput, khoja etc etc....if people marry on this basis then it's a form of caste system.
 
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I am not aware of this but tell me ..is it possible for Punjabi jatt muslim to marry a Pathan girl, or some Lucknow immigrated woman (Muhajir) to marry a Baloch man! I was seeing shaadi.com and there was this things among muslim -> shia, sunni, khan, dawoodi, memon, maliki, rajput, khoja etc etc....if people marry on this basis then it's a form of caste system.

Yes, it is possible...
 
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Yes, it is possible...

Even some dalits marry brahmins ...possibilty I am not asking about..I am asking does family in Pakistan ask their children to marry within those limits such as Shia, Sunni, Dawoodi, etc etc

If the answer is YES then it is a form of caste system. I heard that in Pakistan a low caste Woman was raped by 4 men of higher caste when her brother enamoured with their daughter/sister. This case came on world news..so you people can't deny caste sys does exist in Pakistan.
 
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Even some dalits marry brahmins ...possibilty I am not asking about..I am asking does family in Pakistan ask their children to marry within those limits such as Shia, Sunni, Dawoodi, etc etc

If the answer is YES then it is a form of caste system. I heard that in Pakistan a low caste Woman was raped by 4 men of higher caste when her brother enamoured with their daughter/sister. This case came on world news..so you people can't deny caste sys does exist in Pakistan.

I heard that in Pakistan a low caste Woman was raped by 4 men of higher caste when her brother enamoured with their daughter/sister. This case came on world news..so you people can't deny caste sys does exist in Pakistan.

Can you provide the link which states that the men were of high caste.
 
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is hindustan the only country in the world where ''caste-system'' exists?

very medieval and backwards by today's standards, i must say.

May be Abu, Hindustan is the only country where caste system exists! However, despite such diversity, honor killings are extremely rare.

In my lifetime, I have witnessed only three of them where the bride and groom have been killed for having inter-caste marriage.

First was in 1989. The brides' parents, including her brothers, had murdered them both (Dichaun Village, West Delhi, Haryana Border).

I do not remember the exact date, I was 12, walking down the isolated road to my school. I was one of the firsts to see the corpses covered in DDT (Dichloro Dipenyl, TriChloroEthane), by the roadside, abandoned in an abandoned plot of land. By 1993, all the culprits (who had even brazenly announced of their deeds) were charged with the crime, and are still (2010) behind the bars . (Two died in the jail already though)

Second I saw in Kundal, Sonepat, Haryana - 1998. I had gone there to make a report for the local newspaper about the honor killings that had taken place.

The groom's parents had burned the bride to get rid of an 'upper caste' bride their son had married (she was a Brahmin, they were Jats - If you are curious). The groom's uncles ended up killing the groom too, to finish off the 'wronged' blood of the family. Now the groom's mother, father, and three uncles, are still serving their sentences!

Last I heard of was in 2006 in Hisar, Haryana (the city founded by Firoz Shah Tughlaq), where the killers of the bride+groom made way with their money and are still absconding - even today they have not been able to make their way back to their village! It is a general knowledge, that they are hiding somewhere in Rewari, but money talks, and we all know that.

Negative aspect - People fuming at the weakness of their traditions.
Positive outcome - Those who commit crimes to save their 'traditions' in defiance of law, are not only considered criminals, but ARE also PUNISHED.


However, as I can see, you do get great solace in pointing out the negative aspects of even the positive outcomes. (May be a few more of such deaths would cool your heart for good).

The fact remains, that in all the aforementioned cases the culprits are branded as criminals, and such frivolous traditions are not given even an iota of importance! But that is something you are blind to, right?

If it helps you understand better, my own sister in law is from a different caste from that of mine/my brother's. She belongs to a very prominent/political traditional family in Haryana, and every single person in that village was against the marriage. But the wedding did take place. And they are indescribably happy - with the blessings from both sides.

I am in no way saying that such people/crimes do not exist.
They do in fact. But mind you, our acknowledgment of such crimes is the first step in removing evils from the society.

Have you taken this first step in your own country?
 
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No other country other than India has "major" casteism. The ******* inhuman system that it is. Why the hell isn't it banned yet? when India boasts of so much growth? 'Shining India' eh????

I think Casteism has a lot to do with the highly rampant 'low-selfesteem' 'high ego' issue.
 
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