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I think it is good to know that we are poor, it keeps us grounded.
If every report says India is poorer than pakistan, it must be true.
 
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What can one say looking at the heading of the thread, Just lack of knowlage about India at its best.
 
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I think it is good to know that we are poor, it keeps us grounded.
If every report says India is poorer than pakistan, it must be true.


Well Indian's make more than the average Pakistani thats a fact
 
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Here are some excerpts of an NPR Fresh Air interview of Katherine Boo, the author of Behind the Beautiful Forevers, on life in Indian urban slums:

.......Some inhabitants (of Mumbai slum Annawadi) lack any shelter and sleep outside. Rats commonly bite sleeping children, and barely a handful of the 3,000 residents have the security of full-time employment. Over the course of her time in Annawadi, Boo learned about the residents' social distinctions, their struggles to escape poverty, and conflicts that sometimes threw them into the clutches of corrupt government officials. Her book reads like a novel, but the characters are real.
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BOO: Well, I'll describe it (the slum) this way. You come into the Mumbai International Airport, you make a turn, and you go past a lavish Hyatt and a beautiful hotel called the Grand Maratha. By the time you get to the Hyatt, which is about three minutes in your car, you've already gone past this place.

There's a rocky road that goes into it, and you turn in, and the first thing you notice when you get into this landscape of hand-built, makeshift, crooked huts is one of the borders of the slum - or it was I came in 2008 - was this vast lake of extremely noxious sewage and petrochemicals and things that the people modernizing the glamorous airport had dumped in the lake.

And so it was almost beachfront property on this foul, malarial lake, and all around it in this, the single open space in the slum were people cooking and bathing and fighting and flirting. And there were goats and water buffalo. There was a little brothel, and men would line up outside the little brothel. And there was a liquor still.

And mainly there were families and children who were trying their best to find a niche in the global market economy. Almost no one in Annawadi had permanent work. Six people out of 3,000 last I checked had permanent work.
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DAVIES: One of the most remarkable things to read here was that you tell us in the book that no one in Annawadi was actually considered poor by traditional Indian benchmarks. Is that right? I mean, if they're not poor, who is poor?

BOO: Go to the village, and you'll see what poor is. No, so officially, the poverty lines in many countries, including India, are set so low that officially the people that I'm writing about look like part of the great success narrative of modern global capitalism. They look like the more than 100 million people who have been freed since liberalization in India in 1991 from poverty.

So usually in my work, I'm not looking to write about the poorest and abject. I'm not looking to make you feel sorry for people. I want readers to have a connection more blooded and complex than pity or revulsion. But really, the main point I have to say is that on the books, these men, women and children have succeeded in the global economy. They're the success stories.

But I hope what my book shows is that it's a little more complicated than that.

DAVIES: Well, I mean, so many of them are just on the edge of losing, you know, food and shelter for the day. I mean, are the truly poor, are they rural poor who sleep out in the open? I mean, who are the...?

BOO: Well, many people in Annawadi sleep out in the open, too, but when Asha(ph) - in the book, I follow Asha, the mother, who has used politics and corruption to try to give her daughter a college education, I follow her back home to Vidarbha, a very poor agricultural region.

And when Asha walks through the door, everybody can see on her face and the face of her children how good life is in the Mumbai slums. Asha's grandmother walks on all fours, she's so bent from agricultural labor. And when Asha walks in that door, she stands mast straight.,,,

Finding 'Life, Death And Hope' In A Mumbai Slum : NPR
 
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India has allot of poor people. The economy is growing, the caste system is breaking down among the younger generation, and people are coming out of poverty faster than ever before.

I think India is doing great considering its many major problems. Its a miracle in itself really.
 
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Here are some excerpts of an NPR Fresh Air interview of Katherine Boo, the author of Behind the Beautiful Forevers, on life in Indian urban slums:

Finding 'Life, Death And Hope' In A Mumbai Slum : NPR


Mr. Riaz Haq, here is something for you about the slums in World. UN-Habitat report says that 48% of Pakistan Urban population live in slums compared to only 29.1% for China and 29.2% for India. Pakistan was one of the worst performer who had population about 50-51% urban population in slums in 1990 to 48% in 2007. But India was one of the best performer to lift a large section of population out of Slums from 1990 to 2007.

Slum populations: Slumdog millions | The Economist

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The main Article from Economist Magazine:-
THE proportion of the world’s urban population living in slums has fallen from nearly 40% a decade ago to less than a third today. China and India have together lifted 125m people out of slum conditions in recent years. North Africa’s slum population has shrunk by a fifth. But the absolute number of slum dwellers around the world, estimated to be some 830m, is still rising. And in a few countries the share of the urban population in slums has also grown. In Zimbabwe, economic collapse and the forced relocation of urban dwellers have lifted the urban slum population. In Iraq, as a result of conflict, the number of people living in slums tripled in ten years.
 
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Mr. Riaz Haq, here is something for you about the slums in World. UN-Habitat report says that 48% of Pakistan Urban population live in slums compared to only 29.1% for China and 29.2% for India. Pakistan was one of the worst performer who had population about 50-51% urban population in slums in 1990 to 48% in 2007. But India was one of the best performer to lift a large section of population out of Slums from 1990 to 2007.

Slum populations: Slumdog millions | The Economist

201013NAC198.jpg


The main Article from Economist Magazine:-
THE proportion of the world’s urban population living in slums has fallen from nearly 40% a decade ago to less than a third today. China and India have together lifted 125m people out of slum conditions in recent years. North Africa’s slum population has shrunk by a fifth. But the absolute number of slum dwellers around the world, estimated to be some 830m, is still rising. And in a few countries the share of the urban population in slums has also grown. In Zimbabwe, economic collapse and the forced relocation of urban dwellers have lifted the urban slum population. In Iraq, as a result of conflict, the number of people living in slums tripled in ten years.

Did you know that Pakistan is the most urbanized country in South Asia? And it's natural to have more slum dwellers as percent of population as any developing country urbanizes rapidly. And the urban poor are better off than the rural poor.

Haq's Musings: Urbanization in Pakistan Highest in South Asia

And you are missing the whole point of the NPR story.

Read the story of Asha. Poor and miserable as her family is in Mumbai slums, she is still better off than her rural family members like Asha's grandmother who "walks on all fours" because of the back breaking work on the farms.

Haq's Musings: Do South Asian Slums Offer Hope?
 
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Did you know that Pakistan is the most urbanized country in South Asia? And it's natural to have more slum dwellers as percent of population as any developing country urbanizes rapidly. And the urban poor are better off than the rural poor.

Haq's Musings: Urbanization in Pakistan Highest in South Asia

And you are missing the whole point of the NPR story.

Read the story of Asha. Poor and miserable as her family is in Mumbai slums, she is still better off than her rural family members like Asha's grandmother who "walks on all fours" because of the back breaking work on the farms.

Haq's Musings: Do South Asian Slums Offer Hope?

Haq, you are doing no help to your countrymen by doing this immature analysis regarding Economy, social indicators etc., Why don't you leave that to qualified people.
 
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Did you know that Pakistan is the most urbanized country in South Asia? And it's natural to have more slum dwellers as percent of population as any developing country urbanizes rapidly. And the urban poor are better off than the rural poor.

Haq's Musings: Urbanization in Pakistan Highest in South Asia

And you are missing the whole point of the NPR story.

Read the story of Asha. Poor and miserable as her family is in Mumbai slums, she is still better off than her rural family members like Asha's grandmother who "walks on all fours" because of the back breaking work on the farms.

Haq's Musings: Do South Asian Slums Offer Hope?

So, Pakistan has 5% more Urban population than India, so what's the big deal here. But most it is the matter of high concern that still Pakistan's half of urban population living in Slums and look at the image I provided above, Pakistan could lift only 3-4% people out of slums in 17 years(1990-2007) compared to some 20% for India. So, India is performing far ahead of anyone in Slum rehabilitation and uplifting population out of Slum.

And slums are never 5-stars. If people live there so there are the problems and I can get you more articles like Asha for Pakistan also.
 
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I agree that Mumbai slum dwellers are better off than India's rural poor, particularly poor farmers 200,000 of whom have taken their own lives in the last ten years.

Haq's Musings: "Peepli Live" Destroys Indian Myths

And Pakistani slums are much better than Indian slums in terms of quality of housing and services.

While Dharavi has only one toilet per 1440 residents and most of its residents use Mahim Creek, a local river, for urination and defecation, Orangi has an elaborate sanitation system built by its citizens. Under Orangi Pilot Project's guidance, between 1981 and 1993 Orangi residents installed sewers serving 72,070 of 94,122 houses. To achieve this, community members spent more than US$2 million of their own money, and OPP invested about US$150,000 in research and extension of new technologies. Orangi pilot project has been admired widely for its work with urban poor.

Shanties in Orangi have now grown into single or two level cement houses over the years and a large number of schools have been operating successfully, sending the poorest children into the best educational institutions of the city. A significant population of educated middle class has grown in Orangi. There are a number of small businesses and a cottage industry, started by budding entrepreneurs and funded by microfinance efforts in the area.

The city of Karachi has built roads into Orangi to provide improved access for the residents. A hospital was built in the community in the 1990s.

Haq's Musings: Orangi is not Dharavi!
 
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I agree that Mumbai slum dwellers are better off than India's rural poor, particularly poor farmers 200,000 of whom have taken their own lives in the last ten years.

Haq's Musings: "Peepli Live" Destroys Indian Myths

And Pakistani slums are much better than Indian slums in terms of quality of housing and services.

While Dharavi has only one toilet per 1440 residents and most of its residents use Mahim Creek, a local river, for urination and defecation, Orangi has an elaborate sanitation system built by its citizens. Under Orangi Pilot Project's guidance, between 1981 and 1993 Orangi residents installed sewers serving 72,070 of 94,122 houses. To achieve this, community members spent more than US$2 million of their own money, and OPP invested about US$150,000 in research and extension of new technologies. Orangi pilot project has been admired widely for its work with urban poor.

Shanties in Orangi have now grown into single or two level cement houses over the years and a large number of schools have been operating successfully, sending the poorest children into the best educational institutions of the city. A significant population of educated middle class has grown in Orangi. There are a number of small businesses and a cottage industry, started by budding entrepreneurs and funded by microfinance efforts in the area.

The city of Karachi has built roads into Orangi to provide improved access for the residents. A hospital was built in the community in the 1990s.

Haq's Musings: Orangi is not Dharavi!


But Buddy Dharavi is going to be change very soon


http://main.omanobserver.om/node/80745


Under the plan, developers would demolish Dharavi. They would provide homes for the slum-dwellers with total floor space of 2.78 million square metres. Developers would also get the right to build more than 3.7 million square metres of commercial space, shopping malls and luxury apartments.
The project has been on the back burner in recent years because of delays by authorities examining the plan, bidders backing out because of the huge investments involved and opposition from locals.
State Chief Minister Prithviraj Chavan said anomalies in development rules had been removed to meet the demands of slum-dwellers and permit developers to construct more than what was previously allowed.
 
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So, Pakistan has 5% more Urban population than India, so what's the big deal here. But most it is the matter of high concern that still Pakistan's half of urban population living in Slums and look at the image I provided above, Pakistan could lift only 3-4% people out of slums in 17 years(1990-2007) compared to some 20% for India. So, India is performing far ahead of anyone in Slum rehabilitation and uplifting population out of Slum.

And slums are never 5-stars. If people live there so there are the problems and I can get you more articles like Asha for Pakistan also.

India's urban residents in 2008 account for 29% of its population, and the CIA Fact Book estimates it growing at 2.4% of the total population every year.

The estimated data for 2005 shows the level of urbanization as 35 per cent in Pakistan, and CIA Factbook puts it at 36% in 2008, and it is increasing with 3% of the nation's population migrating to cities every year.

Pakistan has and continues to urbanize at a faster pace than India. From 1975-1995, Pakistan grew 10% from 25% to 35% urbanized, while India grew 6% from 20% to 26%. From 1995-2025, the UN forecast says Pakistan urbanizing from 35% to 60%, while India's forecast is 26% to 45%. For this year, a little over 40% of Pakistan's population lives in the cities.

Haq's Musings: Urbanization in Pakistan Highest in South Asia
 
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Urbanisation and sustainable mobility in India | Guardian Sustainable Business | guardian.co.uk


India's urban population in 2010 was 356.38 million which is projected to be approximately 590 million by 2030, an increase of nearly 66%. By contrast, India's rural population will increase from 827 million to 859 million over the same period, an increase of merely 32 million or 3.37%. India's total population will stand at 1.44 billion. It is further estimated that 80% of this increase will be through natural increase rather than through physical migration.

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India needs 500 million new city homes in 10 years : India News - India Today


Need to increase spending on Infrastructure and build new cities like China has done over the last 10-20 years
 
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