India Builds the Largest Tank Force in Eurasia

[KENT]

First you question the calculation, and now the equation. What are you up to?

Yes, the expenditure is very much justified.

You had presented yourself with GDP figures alongwith share of Defence expenditure of GDP of India and Pakistan like below.

India GDP-$873 Billions-2006
Pakistan GDP $127 Billion- 2006

India defence budget
India- $21.3 Billions 2007= 2.43% of GDP
Pakistan-$4.8 Billions 2006=3.77% of GDP

I failed to understood How does GDP of Pakistan come into a picture? What exactly does it depicts in parallel to Tank Expenditure of Indian Army?


Regarding Indian Defence expenditure as percentage of GDP, Defence expenditure alloted according to every branch of our Armed forces like NAVY,IAF and IA.



Having a huge amt of GDP does not mean we can overcome each and every expenditure in relation to weapons precisely. Defence budget allotted to army is fixed and projected. IA allot each pie of it defence budget according to the weapon system that they operate. I mean, suppose IA has allotted defence Budget of $ 100 Million for 2007. Each pie of this $100 million will be allotted to service, maintenance and procurement of weapon system, R&D and Management Expenditure needed for the army. This means hypothetically suppose $25 million is allotted to Servicing and Maintenance of existing weapons system, $25 million to procurement of new weapon system, $25 million to R & D of weapons system and $25 million for Salary and administrative expenses of IA HQ. So this mean suppose if there is unexpected hike in maintenance of Tank on account of increases in oil prices and which exceed $25 million of pie of budge according to the above financial projections, so IA would not able to fulfill its expenditure in association with Maintenance properly and IA will have to experience deficit in fulfilling it Maintenance needs. This means IA would not be able to claim pie of budget that is allotted to its other needs like for e.g Procurement, R&D and Adminitstrive and Management expenses to fulfill its Tank Maintenance needs. Even if IA does claim pie of all other defence expenditures to fulfill its Tank related expenditure, it will have to sustain deficit in fulfilling all other its expenses.

Exactly this what highlighted in addition posted above regarding hike in expenditure of Oil for Tanks.

Indian Military has top grade defence analysts who decide the requirements based on the threat perception, and you cannot call it waste. Do you think that the Indian military establishment is a pack of fools to place an order for 1000 T-90 tanks. Point is, we are spending far less than our adversaries in terms of GDP, how do you call it a waste?. If we spend less towards development and allot more money for defence, then it would be waste. But this is well within the budget.

Where did I mentioned anything about Waste and credibility of Indian military Establishement? Pls read my previous post correctly before fuming your anger.

Ofcourse, do you really want me to explain you this? Who would fight an enemy, when he knows that enemy is far well equiped. Would you fight a man with a gun, when you have only a knife. Most people won't.[Just to explain you]. When the fear factor comes in, performance is limited.

If you look from the other side, better equipment definetly boosts the confidence of a soldier.

Please stop arguing just for the sake of it.

In past wars of 1947,1965,1971 and Kargil war of 1999, Pakistan knew about our supremacy and advantage in India’s favour both in terms of Military and Economic object, then only they dare to proceed for misadventure against India. Having Quality and huge quantities of weapons does’nt translate into psychological advantage.

 

[Astra]

You had presented yourself with GDP figures alongwith share of Defence expenditure of GDP of India and Pakistan like below.

India GDP-$873 Billions-2006
Pakistan GDP $127 Billion- 2006

India defence budget
India- $21.3 Billions 2007= 2.43% of GDP
Pakistan-$4.8 Billions 2006=3.77% of GDP

I failed to understood How does GDP of Pakistan come into a picture? What exactly does it depicts in parallel to Tank Expenditure of Indian Army?


Regarding Indian Defence expenditure as percentage of GDP, Defence expenditure alloted according to every branch of our Armed forces like NAVY,IAF and IA.



Having a huge amt of GDP does not mean we can overcome each and every expenditure in relation to weapons precisely. Defence budget allotted to army is fixed and projected. IA allot each pie of it defence budget according to the weapon system that they operate. I mean, suppose IA has allotted defence Budget of $ 100 Million for 2007. Each pie of this $100 million will be allotted to service, maintenance and procurement of weapon system, R&D and Management Expenditure needed for the army. This means hypothetically suppose $25 million is allotted to Servicing and Maintenance of existing weapons system, $25 million to procurement of new weapon system, $25 million to R & D of weapons system and $25 million for Salary and administrative expenses of IA HQ. So this mean suppose if there is unexpected hike in maintenance of Tank on account of increases in oil prices and which exceed $25 million of pie of budge according to the above financial projections, so IA would not able to fulfill its expenditure in association with Maintenance properly and IA will have to experience deficit in fulfilling it Maintenance needs. This means IA would not be able to claim pie of budget that is allotted to its other needs like for e.g Procurement, R&D and Adminitstrive and Management expenses to fulfill its Tank Maintenance needs. Even if IA does claim pie of all other defence expenditures to fulfill its Tank related expenditure, it will have to sustain deficit in fulfilling all other its expenses.

Exactly this what highlighted in addition posted above regarding hike in expenditure of Oil for Tanks.




Where did I mentioned anything about Waste and credibility of Indian military Establishement? Pls read my previous post correctly before fuming your anger.






In past wars of 1947,1965,1971 and Kargil war of 1999, Pakistan knew about our supremacy and advantage in India’s favour both in terms of Military and Economic object, then only they dare to proceed for misadventure against India. Having Quality and huge quantities of weapons does’nt translate into psychological advantage.

Funny enough! kent.

1. I do not want to learn lessons on defence expenditure from someone, who till few days back, did not know the %of GDP alloted for defence.
2. The budget takes into account the forecasted price increase.
3. No body is fuming here. Though its a bit annoying to read silly comments on defence expenditure and terming them as waste.
4. Your comment on expenditure on tanks as "waste" directly questions the credibility of the defence analysts in IA. I questioned the accountability of your statement. Read again.

In past wars of 1947,1965,1971 and Kargil war of 1999, Pakistan knew about our supremacy and advantage in India’s favour both in terms of Military and Economic object, then only they dare to proceed for misadventure against India. Having Quality and huge quantities of weapons does’nt translate into psychological advantage.

Remember, war is thrust on soldiers by the Government, the pakistani soldiers had no other option.

As a son of 1971 war veteran, I have first hand knowledge of the effect of having superior military weapons/numbers, on the enemy. If you want to stick to your point, please carry on, nobody is stopping you.

 

[Contrarian]

If we can go off topic here, i do agree with Astra, that we need to peg the defence expenditure to atleast 3% of the GDP. Its not as though India is not spending enough on social sectors, its that the money is not being managed efficiently(read corruption).

 

[KENT]

Funny enough! kent.

1. I do not want to learn lessons on defence expenditure from someone, who till few days back, did not know the %of GDP alloted for defence.

I didn’t sound like I am unaware of % GDP in my previous post, instead I had asked you the question relation to How does % of GDP of Pakistan and India can be attributed in parallel to Tanks servicing Expenditure? It may be paralled, but it was your responsibility to be much more descriptive on this issue and this is exactly what compelled me to asked this question . And What’s exactly makes you think that I didn’t knew about % GDP? Just because I had asked you some tough question.


Man, I am not teaching you the lessons over the defence expenditure, instead I had tried to be much more descriptive.

Because according to your previous reasoning which lacks description, if one preceive himself with your line of thought, then there is absolutely no need to bother about any kind of surge in defence expediture in association with India

2. The budget takes into account the forecasted price increase.

Agreed!

3. No body is fuming here. Though its a bit annoying to read silly comments on defence expenditure and terming them as waste.

I didn’t made a silly comment, instead I had tried to be much more descriptive, it is you who is making them to look silly.

4. Your comment on expenditure on tanks as "waste" directly questions the credibility of the defence analysts in IA. I questioned the accountability of your statement. Read again.

Oh man! Why are trying to put unspoken statements within my mouth?


First of all tell me where did I quoted your reasoning as waste and questioned the creditability of Defence analysts of IA? And then I will tell you the accountability of my statement

In my previous post I had asked you the question and now I am again asking this same question, pls point me a single post, where I had quoted your reasoning as a waste.

Remember, war is thrust on soldiers by the Government, the pakistani soldiers had no other option. As a son of 1971 war veteran, I have first hand knowledge of the effect of having superior military weapons/numbers, on the enemy. If you want to stick to your point, please carry on, nobody is stopping you.

Offcourse I am not denying it, but wars are not alone fought on the basis of quality weapons, diplomatic and political affair play a crucial role in any kind of a warfare

Pakistan had gracious political, economic and military support of US and china and host of all other Arab nations and that’s exactly proved crucial in taking decision by Pakistani government to go on war with India. Pakistani government had known that India is not favour of war at any cost because of India had sustain its economic growth and hence no matter how much supremacy in terms of weapons you have, when it comes to economic growth and diplomatic relationship you cannot go on to war even with a superior weapons.

 

[JK!]

Having a large tank force also requires various dedicated support vehicles like AVLBs, AEVs and more importantly ARRVs.

What is the Indian Army procuring to support this tank fleet?

 

[blain2]

Gotta say this is one of the most poorly and immaturely written article that I have seen recently.

The facts alone are pretty trashy but on top of that the tone is that of a 5th grader discussing the usual (mine bigger than yours without facts).

Stratfor??...what else should I be expecting?

 

[JimmyJ]

Most of the new tanks will come to replace the aging old machines.

One more interesting point to note is that India is acquiring new naval platforms using which it can transport soldiers and war equipments across the sea to the enemy territory to open a new war front. If ever a thrust is needed further in this direction, we may see some of the tanks to be stationed near to the naval location is in south, south-west and east.

 

[JimmyJ]

Most of the new tanks will come to replace the aging old machines.

One more interesting point to note is that India is acquiring new naval platforms using which it can transport soldiers and war equipments across the sea to the enemy territory to open a new war front. If ever a thrust is needed further in this direction, we may see some of the tanks to be stationed near to the naval location is in south, south-west and east.