India behind Pakistan on AWACS front, as delays plague projects

[Assault Rifle]

@as1mz

India has inked the deal for two additional award and Russia has already shipped both Il-76 to Israel last year.Both will delivered by April 2017 according to IAI annual report.

https://defence.pk/threads/russia-s...tented-for-indian-air-force-new-awacs.372012/

BTW of the two Saab damaged in Kamra only one was repaired as the other was damaged beyond repair.
The Saab transport is yet to be converted to awacs as the conversion process is still not completed.

 

[shah1398]

Before Fan boys Start Jumping Remember Phalcon 2 More coming of this Make it 5 in total

Embraer ERJ
+2 Inducted in 2015 1 more is coming Year End

The Project OP Talking is Just Sanctioned In 2015 It will 2-3 years to build ,test And Induct a platform completly
India to build two next-generation Awacs for Rs 5,113 crore
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...cs-for-Rs-5113-crore/articleshow/46731380.cms

India Already Selected airbus for Putting Israelis AWACS
A330 selected for AWACS India project
Source
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/a330-selected-for-awacs-india-project-410708/

Why is that U always speak in the future tense? Let the future first become present and then talk of it. Like Rafale is arriving since 2012 but U had already deployed it and it had already taken over whole PAF.

A clever ploy by the geniuses at the IAF to seem crap and amateurish to get more funds

They have played this crap and amateurish card to perfection during the LCA and Raphael saga

Chanakakaya!!!!!

Is it some policy in their armed forces to first cry like hell and then they ll get funds? I mean this is normal routine that they keep doing this whenever they need money.

You will never hear any such claims made by PAF....did you ever hear PAF saying JF-17 is better than Tejas or PAF scored so many kills in an exercise.

Here comes how mature one is

 

[hussain0216]

In any comparative discussion Indians always list items from the distant future

So they will list 126 Raphaels, 200 LCAs and 50 PakFa
When out of that list they have 2 LCAs at the moment

 

[John Reese]

Why is that U always speak in the future tense? Let the future first become present and then talk of it. Like Rafale is arriving since 2012 but U had already deployed it and it had already taken over whole PAF.



Is it some policy in their armed forces to first cry like hell and then they ll get funds? I mean this is normal routine that they keep doing this whenever they need money.



Here comes how mature one is

Again you made your arguments without reading full post
India has

3 phalcons +3 Embraer ERJ 145 family DRDO AWACS


Total 6 AWACS in service as of 2016

All are EL/W-2090 class


Funds fir 2 phalcons Radars are following order cleared this year


,http://www.airforce-technology.com/...wo-phalcon-warning-system-form-israel-4831275


Further Here 2 semi knock down kits are already shipped by Russia
For 2 phalcons to India

Source
http://asian-defence-news.blogspot.in/2015/04/russia-ships-two-unfinished-50ei.html?m=1


Here it's reported Israel and Russia already started building 2 phalcons

Source
http://in.rbth.com/news/2015/08/28/israel-and-rusia-are-building-aircraft-for-india_393115


Look at this thread
https://defence.pk/threads/el-w-209...l-76-platforms-for-iafs-two-new-awacs.394608/




do u has anything comparable to phalcon radar ?? Yet



The project in discussion here is
Future DRDO AWACS
Mounted on Airbus A330

Read further
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/a330-selected-for-awacs-india-project-410708/

 

[John Reese]

In any comparative discussion Indians always list items from the distant future

So they will list 126 Raphaels, 200 LCAs and 50 PakFa
When out of that list they have 2 LCAs at the moment

3 phalcons + 3 DRDO AWACS already in service

Tell me when you anything comparable to phalcons

 

[John Reese]

@as1mz

India has inked the deal for two additional award and Russia has already shipped both Il-76 to Israel last year.Both will delivered by April 2017 according to IAI annual report.

https://defence.pk/threads/russia-s...tented-for-indian-air-force-new-awacs.372012/

BTW of the two Saab damaged in Kamra only one was repaired as the other was damaged beyond repair.
The Saab transport is yet to be converted to awacs as the conversion process is still not completed.

I already posted it
Guess people here not even try to authenticate news

 

[shah1398]

3 phalcons +3 Embraer ERJ 145 family DRDO AWACS

Actually U urself havent read the article completely but again have ventured into future.Let me post extract from the very same article:

"IAF currently has just three Phalcon AWACS, with Israeli early-warning radars mounted in domes on top of IL-76 aircraft, which were acquired under the Rs 5,042 crore tripartite deal among India, Israel and Russia in 2004. The Phalcons do pack quite a punch, with 360-degree coverage over a 400km range. But while the long-pending $1 billion deal for two more Phalcons is yet to be inked, audit watchdog CAG has blasted the "sub-optimal utilisation" of the three existing ones due to poor planning and serviceability."

And regarding 3 Embaer ERJ 145 AWACS it says:

"India's indigenous efforts to plug the operational gaps have been dogged by delays. DRDO officials said the three AEW&C aircraft, with 240-degree coverage radars fitted on three smaller Brazilian Embraer-145 jets, are now undergoing final trials (In present tense they still are in testing phase). "There were delays due to several factors, including a 27-month one since IAF wanted additional operational requirements," said an official."

My point aint regarding what U might have in future but it is that plz wait for the future to become present and yes we can talk on it.

 

[John Reese]

Actually U urself havent read the article completely but again have ventured into future.Let me post extract from the very same article:

"IAF currently has just three Phalcon AWACS, with Israeli early-warning radars mounted in domes on top of IL-76 aircraft, which were acquired under the Rs 5,042 crore tripartite deal among India, Israel and Russia in 2004. The Phalcons do pack quite a punch, with 360-degree coverage over a 400km range. But while the long-pending $1 billion deal for two more Phalcons is yet to be inked, audit watchdog CAG has blasted the "sub-optimal utilisation" of the three existing ones due to poor planning and serviceability."

And regarding 3 Embaer ERJ 145 AWACS it says:

"India's indigenous efforts to plug the operational gaps have been dogged by delays. DRDO officials said the three AEW&C aircraft, with 240-degree coverage radars fitted on three smaller Brazilian Embraer-145 jets, are now undergoing final trials (In present tense they still are in testing phase). "There were delays due to several factors, including a 27-month one since IAF wanted additional operational requirements," said an official."

My point aint regarding what U might have in future but it is that plz wait for the future to become present and yes we can talk on it.

Yes Im reading It and you Purposely Mis Quoting facts to suit your Ego you ignored many facts
this TOI News article not holy grail Its not even a credible Defense source any Defense Expert can punch holes from this article



Posting One liners from Blogs cannot make you expert Let me bust your Bubble
PAF Erieye radar system has
Azimuth 150° to each side
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erieye

Three smaller Brazilian Embraer-145 jets as you Purposely highlighted (Explain Author's expertise in aviation sector ) in comparison to 240 degree coverage been mentioned in this Blog also



2 are already handed over to IAF as of 2016 .on is under trials But since all aircrafts are available for service when required And all under IAF service
http://www.oneindia.com/india/first-prying-plane-to-be-handed-to-iaf-in-june-1651146.html

See the clearly Sigil of the Indian air force It only Written on platforms Which are Inducted Into Service In

Embraer Defence and Security, on 16 August 2012 delivered the first EMB 145 Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) class of aircraft to the Government of India, in a ceremony held at Embraer’s headquarter in São José dos Campos, Brazil. The delivery follows successful completion of ground and flight tests of the aircraft which met operational targets established by both Embraer and Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS) of Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO).

DRDO AWACS with Air crew And IAF Commanding Officer of the air base

Induction is June 2015 (if not blind see date of induction )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDO_AEW&CS

So Total 6 Aircrafts in IAF Inventory currently 3 Phalcons +3 Brazilian Embraer-145 jets
Trials & Induction to different Elements since IAF wanted additional operational requirements


New Project

Project is Started in 2015 This Project is just cleared it takes 2-3 years for plat form to be inducted

For one, the new indigenous Rs 5,113 crore AWACS-India project is still languishing "largely on the drawing board", sources said.
"The bigger worry is the AWACS-India project, which will involve mounting 360 degree coverage AESA (active electronically scanned array) radars on two Airbus A-330 wide-body jets."


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...cs-for-Rs-5113-crore/articleshow/46731380.cms


As for ordered 2 Phalcon aircrafts
Russia ships two unfinished A-50E/I intended for Indian Air Force new AWACS

Source 28 August 2015 AVIAPORT.RU
Israel and Russia have started creating two aircraft for Airborne Early Warning and Control for India.
http://in.rbth.com/news/2015/08/28/israel-and-rusia-are-building-aircraft-for-india_393115

Like one poster Quoted India has inked the deal for two additional award and Russia has already shipped both Il-76 to Israel last year.Both will delivered by April 2017 according to IAI annual report.