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If the choice is polarising to some, so be it

The American election season has started to hot up with the announcement of a running mate by Mitt Romney, the Republican nominee for President. Since the announcement there has been a sharpened tone to the public debate drawing a lot of attention to the man who will be Vice-President if Romney were to get elected to the American Presidency. In an interesting column, writing for the Washington Post on August 16, Charles Krauthammer had this to say on the perception that is being created of Romney’s choice of running mate:

“ it seems, (he) is determined to dispossess grandmother, then toss her over a cliff. If the charge is not successfully countered, good-bye Florida”

This narrative of painting someone as a polarising figure with macabre metaphors has a parallel in Indian politics as well. We are fed stories on alleged interviews and quick denials in what has now become a routine affair on why the BJP must not make a polarising choice lest it risk the next general election.

The BJP in India and the GOP in the United States had sort of similar political predicaments during 2008-2009. Both of them were floundering on future direction after debilitating defeats in respective general elections. Both also found themselves torn apart between an extreme fringe that was uncompromising on cultural issues and a centrist establishment that was neither true to principle nor to cause. While the GOP had a turning point of sorts in 2010 with the Tea Party insurrection, the BJP in India lost its defining moments in 2011 to the ideologically sterile anti-corruption campaigns. Both parties then went on to face a pivotal question about their future leadership.

On this pivotal question one cannot but help observe that Mitt Romney, who is described as “mild and moderate” by Krauthammer, has gone far beyond in shaping the future of his party than LK Advani did to his.

To understand the significance of the polarising choice that Mitt Romney dared to make we must return to Krauthammer’s column in the Washington Post where he describes Paul Ryan as the “intellectual leader” and the de facto “parliamentary leader” before making these remarks:

“Ryan’s importance is enhanced by his identity as a movement conservative. Reagan was the first movement leader in modern times to achieve the presidency. Like him, Ryan represents a new kind of conservatism for his time.

Reagan rejected the moderate accommodationism represented by Gerald Ford, the sitting President Reagan nearly overthrew in 1976.

Ryan represents a new constitutional conservatism of limited Government and individual opportunity that carried Republicans to victory in 2010, not just as a rejection of Obama’s big-government hyper-liberalism but also as a significant departure from the philosophically undisciplined, idiosyncratically free-spending ‘compassionate conservatism’ of Obama’s Republican predecessor.”

For long LK Advani was both the ‘intellectual leader’ of the movement and the de facto ‘parliamentary leader’ of the BJP. But his version of the ideology that served the BJP well in the 1990s has since become an anachronism. It is tragic that rather than fulfill his role in clearly identifying the next ‘intellectual leader’ for the movement and solidifying his role as the ‘de facto parliamentary leader’ we are witness to farce being played out of Patna.

A narrative is being crafted by some sections of the media in Delhi on the basis of a questionable opinion poll. Within that narrative, replete with wishful thinking, a picture is being painted of victory being near at hand. Further it is being argued that the BJP must not risk that victory that is already in hand by making a so called “polarising choice”.

This narrative is not just flawed and removed from reality but will likely prove to be fatal to the BJP’s electoral prospects.

There is no other way but to put it bluntly – the BJP has a list of pretenders and not contenders for the post of Prime Minister, to which by the way there exists no vacancy at the moment. How seriously can we take the BJP’s claim to be the alternative to the UPA if it can even entertain the idea of a Rajnath Singh or a Murali Manohar Joshi as a possible Prime Minister?

To even remotely suggest that someone outside the party who has been making too clever by half political moves for months will have a say in deciding that ‘Leader’ is a sign of the deep disconnect between the BJP’s leaders in Delhi and the mood of the party’s rank and file.

With no election to the Lok Sabha on the horizon the BJP neither needs the ignominy of another Prime Minister in waiting nor the pre-poll ideological incoherence of opportunistic allies who grow at its expense.

What the BJP needs right now is a movement ‘intellectual leader’ who is also seen as the ‘de facto Parliamentary leader’ who charts a clear path for the BJP to grow organically and earn the people’s mandate by offering a clear alternative to the UPA with the twin messages of limited role for Government in economic activity and equal opportunities.

If that choice of an ‘intellectual leader’ and ‘de facto Parliamentary leader’ is polarising to some, so be it.

(The writer is a commentator on Indian politics and public policy. Opinions expressed in this article are his persons views.)

National Interest: We, the ignorant

A venerable old teacher in my journalism school taught us the “three example rule”. So here are the three I picked up over the past week as India’s “northeast” hit the headlines for reasons happy and sad.

The first two came as Hindi cinema responded joyfully to Manipuri boxer Mary Kom’s success. No surprise that Shahid Kapoor, while hailing her as India’s “million dollar baby” called her “Maricom” as if she was some latest internet-mobile phone product rhyming with telecom he is endorsing, and kept the twitterati amused and indignant for a day. Then someone much older, enormously better read and cerebral, Amitabh Bachchan, said she hailed from Assam, only to correct it later. And finally, a little exchange I had with a genuinely well-meaning former civil servant (with long and distinguished service in the Northeast) on a TV show on whether Mary Kom’s success would change our perceptions of the Northeast. He wasn’t happy that so many boys and girls from the Northeast, now spreading all over India, were mostly working in our service industries, from restaurants to airlines, to hospitals. Why aren’t they doing more important jobs?

Each one underlines to us some aspect of the ignorance, insensitivity and patronising “mainstream” attitudes that we retain about the Northeast. You can understand Shahid Kapoor not being able to spell his favourite boxer’s name. He probably has no time to read the sports pages in the newspapers, or go beyond the glamour supplements. Mary Kom, I’d suspect, can spell better than him, and definitely can teach him a real thing or two about boxing. But Senior Bachchan? You can understand someone of an older generation (including mine) confusing a Naga, Mizo, Khasi or Garo for being an Assamese — Nagaland, Mizoram and Meghalaya were districts in old Assam. But Manipur?

It is one of the oldest and most distinct states in India and has never been part of any other state. Its demographics can, however, be confusing. Its largest and most distinct ethnic group are the Meiteis of the plains, most of whom are Vaishnavite Hindus and non-tribal. They have given us many stars in weightlifting (Kunjarani Devi), boxing (Dingko Singh, Suranjoy Singh, Devendro Singh), archery (Bombayla Devi) and, not to forget, hockey (Thoiba Singh). Manipur’s hills are inhabited by diverse tribes and many of the conflicts that arise there, including the recent blockades, are because of inter-tribal tensions, compounded by lousy and corrupt governance. Even when I first went to Imphal as a reporter in January 1981, the state was often described as “Moneypour” for its leaky and corrupt government, large sections of which were hand-in-glove with one or the other of its many insurgent groups. Our northeastern state’s demographics can fox anybody. For every tribe that inhabits Manipur’s hills, Nagas, Mizos, Kukis and, of course, Mary Kom’s Kom (a microscopic tribe of just over 20,000), for example, a larger number live in a neighbouring state or Myanmar. So you can understand the senior AB getting mixed up.

The most important of the three, however, was the civil servant’s response — and not because it was lacking in empathy. Both in his lament that young northeasterners were coming to the mainland and finding jobs only (or mainly) in the services sector, and that more effort was needed to “integrate” the Northeast with the rest of India, he highlighted the fact that the establishment elite’s view of that region has not essentially changed in the last many decades. It is still a distant and estranged region that needs to be somehow brought into the fold, “Indianised”. That stars like Mary Kom would help “us” and “them” in that endeavour. And further, that, it can only change if somehow, people from that region, particularly those with distinctive northeastern features and therefore subjected to truly unfortunate and now criminally illegal racial taunts in our big cities (mainly Delhi), move into workplaces “more important” than the ones they are currently visible at.

It betrays, equally, a lack of understanding of economic mobility — people move into jobs and professions for which they have distinctive skill advantage. And also the added strength of work ethic, dignity of labour and casteless, classless social equality that our tribal societies mostly — and thankfully — still retain. I had my first exposure to this wonderful non-hierarchical view of life in my early travels to the Northeast when I found, to my total surprise, drivers, peons, police escorts all sitting down with the minister and his guests to eat at roadside dhabas. And then, at the Aizawl secretariat, a post-lunch table tennis game between my old friend Fanai Malsawma, then education minister, and his driver. As the driver thrashed Malsawma, he continued to remind him of how slow, lazy and leaden-footed he had become since he was made a minister. And others, mostly drivers and junior employees, sniggered and applauded. Show me a driver in the mainland who will thrash his minister at any game. Or, a minister who will take it in his stride.

It is because of this remarkable tribal approach to life, casteless egalitarianism, dignity of labour, that tens of thousands of our minutest minorities have discovered how indispensable they are to the booming services sector in our big cities. And they bring some of the most remarkably unique talents, besides, indeed, boxing, archery and weightlifting. A majority of singers and musicians at our restaurants and bars, even at Rashtrapati Bhavan at the banquet for Barack Obama, are boys and girls from the Northeast. You cannot go to a restaurant, bar, or spa, fly on an airplane or be laid up at a hospital without finding someone from the Northeast performing a key function. Should we look down on them patronisingly? Can we even afford to? Go ask the owners of these businesses, even security companies, who are now running around the platforms of Bangalore’s railway station, pleading with their northeastern employees not to flee. These terrified young people represent the first generation of our northeastern compatriots to venture out, seeking a living and dignity in the mainland. We owe it to them — and to ourselves — to make them feel wanted, respected and secure.

Most of us do not even know how tiny these minorities are. There are just over a million and a half Nagas, less than a million of Mizos and all the tribes in Manipur do not add up to a million (7.4 lakh in the 2001 census). Add to that a million each of Khasis and Garos. Arunachal Pradesh has just about a million tribals. And the Bodos, much in the news for the wrong reasons lately? Just about 15 lakh, scattered over several districts of mostly lower and middle Assam.

Their rising presence and indispensability to our cities speak of their brilliant talent which, in turn, is only matched by our ignorance about them. That ignorance is responsible for our lack of respect for our most distant countrymen, as well as our failure to understand what makes them angry. The latest and the saddest example is our lazy view of the Bodo violence through the prism of our mainland’s communal/ electoral politics. Identity, ethnicity, livelihood and survival in the Northeast, including Assam, are very complex issues, fuelled by native peculiarities rather than our classical Hindu-Muslim paradigm. Most Bodos are not even traditional Hindus. Many follow their own indigenous faith, and a sizeable number are now Christian. They are not attacking these settlers because they are Muslim. Nor were the Lalungs, or Tiwas as they are known today (it will be a stretch even now to describe them as Hindus), who killed more than 3,000 in four hours in Nellie in February 1983. It just so happens that the settlers (who the tribes see as alien infiltrators) are Muslim, and Bengali-speaking. But it is better to leave such grave and complex misconceptions about our northeastern citizens for another day. For now, we are struggling to spell their names right, to even figure out where they are coming from. Thirty-one years back, when Arun Shourie sent me to the Northeast as this newspaper’s correspondent, the cashier had earnestly asked me in which currency he should be sending my salary. Events of the past 10 days would tell you that we haven’t changed very much since.

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We’re soft on ‘secular’ hate speech!

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We have seen instances when Indian media has got very hyperactive. When Varun Gandhi’s Pilibhit, UP, buzz was up for weeks, if not months: Almost everyone had some information on code of conduct, legal aspects and what not. This was during the 2009 general election campaigning, when swing votes of even two per cent could decide dozens of Parliament seats changing hands.

The key topic drilled into everyone’s mind by media was ‘hate speech’.

But here is a quiz for those who followed the 2009 election campaign closely. Did you hear any other hate speech during the same month of March from 2009? Any other speech in your memory line at all from any national party?

That’s exactly the point we want to make. Indian media, particularly the electronic version, goes into hyperactive mode when it smells a chance against a certain ideology, but hides totally or passes off with casual mention, the other instances.

Most likely you would not have heard of Kagodu Thimmappa, a veteran Congress leader from Karnataka. During the same month in 2009 he gave an open hate speech, clearly inciting violence in front of a clapping and cheering crowd. Unlike Varun’s buzz, there was hardly any outrage manufactured, even though this video was beyond doubt a genuine one.


“Ee Hindutva antha helo kai modalu kadeebeku”… “First, must chop the hand of those saying Hindutva” (enraged violence-inciting voice and applause.)

The question that comes to mind is: How did Kagodu Thimmappa get away with the obvious violence-spewing hate speech, with minor case focus at a small district level? Why was a senior Congress leader openly inciting violence against millions of those who subscribe to Hindutva ideology let off by media? How come this was not propagated all the way to the top leadership of Congress, embarrassing them at every stage or during every interview?

Tough questions, but let’s leave out Hindutva for a minute, as it is an ideology.

How about elected people’s representatives respecting the judiciary? That must be a no-brainer right?

After the court verdict on the long-pending Ram Janmabhoomi – Babri Masjid dispute in Ayodhya came,

Hyderabad’s MLA Akbaruddin Owaisi gave a public speech, which might cross lines into the matter of respecting the judiciary.

Some ‘gems’ from that speech which combine communal provocation and disrespect for courts:

“Allahabad High court ka faisla kaisa aya?”

“What kind of judgement was that from Allahabad High Court?”

“Aur phir kehte hain, nahin, unke aastha ka maamla hain. Are aastha ka maamla kaise aagaya?”

“They (judges) say, it is a matter of faith. But how can there be a matter of faith?”

“Ab mera sawal ye hai, ki aakhir Ram ki maa kahan kahan gayi thi, aur kahan janmi Ram ko?”

“My question now is, where all did Ram’s mother go wandering and where did she give birth to him?”(derogatory high pitch and loud cheers)

For anyone neutrally observing, this Indian MLA of over a decade of legislative assembly experience, who had been a floor leader of his party, clearly crossed the line. He, who was supposed to uphold the respect for judiciary and who was not supposed to disrespect any religious figure, did not behave that way in communally sensitive Hyderabad city. But was there any national ‘outrage’? None at all. Most don’t even know about it till now.

For a minute we will let even Akbaruddin escape. After all Kagodu Thimmappa and Akbaruddin Owaisi belong to the same ruling coalition of India, and media might have reasons to go ‘easy’ on them.

But what about someone who is just a journalist, and not a powerful politician? Here comes Gauri Lankesh. She is the daughter of the famous editor of a Kannada weekly called Lankesh Patrike and edited it too for over five years after her father’s death.


“Appa illa, amma illa, dharma idakke”

“Hinduism has no father, no mother” (derogatory tone of conveying illegitimacy and applause)

“Idakke ondu pavitra grantha illa”

“Hinduism does not have any sacred book” (intention is to insult Hindus).

“Idakke, British-ru bandu hesaru ido varge, ondu hesru irlilla. Adu ondu dharma antharenree?”

“Till the British came and gave a name, it did not even have a name. Do you call this a religion?” (derogatory tone, applause again)

“Mahileyaranthu eradene varga davaru”

“In Hinduism, women are second class” (peddling the communist tone, with Hindu women on stage)!

“Bekagilla ee dharma”

“We don’t want Hindu dharma” (Essentially a public calling from her to reject Hinduism; according to her it is a “primitive”, “illegitimate” and “clueless” faith).

After publicly condemning Hindu dharma, distorting the basics of Hindu faith, this journalist Gauri Lankesh goes on to launch a tirade against the RSS. “They are perverts, venomous multi-headed snakes, goons,” she says. Playing to the gallery this journalist then focuses on an 81-year-old KS Sudarshan, gutter-mouthing him in a tone that most civilised people would be ashamed to listen.

Most people will understand the need for Communism or Left ideology imbibing journalists such as Gauri Lankesh to spew venom against the RSS, its ideology and its people. Name-calling people is not uncommon in this country where even the most powerful woman shamelessly uses the epithet “Merchant of death”.

But brazenly, openly insulting Hindu dharma, right in front of Mangaluru’s District Collector’s office? Even after days, no one from any national media has criticised the obvious venom-spewing against Hinduism at a public meet meeting.

We ask, why? Thimmappa incited a crowd to chop the hands of Hindus. Owaisi made derogatory remarks about Lord Ram’s mother while openly mocking the judges who gave the historic Ayodhya verdict after years of litigation. Gauri used gutter language against Hinduism, its books (or the lack of them according to her), its views on women and so on. How come these were missed by the frequently outrage-manufacturing ‘mainstream’ Indian media?
 
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India is secular country as long as all minorities keep it quiet and take the abuse from high cast hindus. As soon as you raise a voice!!..hye mata secular secular ka rap
 
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Shaping the mind of the believer

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A fatwa is a decree, a ruling. The mufti who is authorised to issue fatwas has to have encyclopaedic knowledge – for he will be required to pronounce on matters that range from personal hygiene, to marital relations, to the fine points on the law of inheritance, to whether the Earth moves around the Sun or the Sun moves around the Earth, to the way a Muslim should live in and the extent of allegiance he should owe to a country like India. In a line, fatwas are the shariah in action.

In his path-breaking book The World of Fatwas or the Shariah in Action; scholar, author, celebrated journalist, former editor and Minister and one of the foremost voices in India’s public life and discourse, Arun Shourie delves into the vast and fascinating world of fatwas as they have accumulated over the years and produces a body of work that provides a deep insight into a key aspect of Islam at home and abroad.

A revised edition of the book, with startlingly new material, has just been published by Harper Collins Publishers India. Over the coming days we will bring you excerpts from the fresh material.

The querist asks—

But first a word about the manner in which what they ask is set out: so that nothing may be lost in translation, so to say, the questions and answers, including their spellings and grammar, are given exactly as they appear in the official website of the Darul Ifta, Dar-ul Ulum, Deoband. To get back to the querist, he asks,

I would like to refer to book Fadaail-e-Hajj (English version)by Shaykhal Hadeeth Maulana Mohammad Zakariyya, published by Kutub Khana Faizi Lahore, Pakistan, on Section 9; Manners of Ziarat, story no. 9,a story about Syed Ahmad Rifaee (rahmatullahialaih) which performs a hajj and ziarahrasulullah grave. On the grave, he recited a couple of poems. After that, the sacred hand of rasulullah came out of the grave and the syed kissed it. It is said that the occasion is witnessed by 90,000 people. My question,

• Can I trust the story because as what I knew, dead people cannot at any circumstances be brought alive. So, can dead people become alive? The 90,000 witnesses also seem superflous as can people with that huge number see the hand of rasulullah come out from the grave and kissed by the syaikh? To me, the story is merely sufism in nature which lay people like me could potentially misunderstand about the story and brought forward false story to other. Only Allah knows best.

The ulema of the Dar-ul Ulum, Deoband, the institution that is often referred to as the‘Al Azhar of the East’, answer as follows:

Answer: 23583
Jul 28,2010
(Fatwa:1118/L=306/tl=1431)
This event does not belong to tasawwuf (mysticism), rather the people saw the holy hand coming out of the blessed grave with their naked eyes. It is proved that the dead can be alive with the permission of Allah. The book “TazkiraShah AbdurRahim Dehlavi…,” published from Al-Furqan Lucknow, contains a booklet with the title “Murdon Ki Zindon Se Ham Kalami.” In this booklet, Hadhrat Maulana Manzoor Nomani…has substantially proved in detail that the dead can talk to those who are alive. For details, study the same.
Allah (Subhana WaTa’ala) (Mighty and Great) knows Best Darul Ifta, Darul Uloom Deoband

That is not a fatwa issued in the middle ages. It was issued on 28 July 2010. Two points are worthy of notice here: What the ulema of this high authority regard as fact, and what they regard as proof of that fact. That something is written in a book to the effect that 90,000 persons witnessed the hand rise out of the grave 1,400 years ago is both necessary and sufficient for them to maintain that the hand did indeed rise out of the grave; that a booklet written by Maulana Manzoor Nomani says that the dead can talk to the living establishes that they can indeed talk…

A believer in the United Kingdom is in search for answers to equally vexed questions. “1- I have heard that when a baby is born a shaitan is also born and the shaitan stays with that person until he dies. Is this true and what is the reference?” he writes. “2- If the above is true then when the person dies then does the shaitan who was with the person also die as well or does the shaitan go by someone else?”
The ulema answer with becoming gravity and satisfaction, and also modesty:

You are right. Every man is born with a jinn companion who accompanies him till death…
We could not find whether this Satan dies after the person or goes anywhere else, but it is reported from scholars that if a dead is buried after reciting the verse… the Satan companion is also buried with him.

The fatwas issued in response to such queries give us a glimpse of one of the root causes of two, indeed twin, fundamental problems.For the ulema as well as the community they have weaned, that something is said in the Quran or narrated in the Hadis, that something has been asserted by a person whose chief claim to being an authority on matters ranging from the mundane to the entirely unknown was that he could invoke a verse from the Quran or recall an opposite Hadis or, indeed, cite the passage from the work of someone like himself—each of these is sufficient as proof of an assertion. The other side of this feature is that the liberal is always on the defensive. He would proceed by evidence—as it is understood in, say, empirical sciences. But he has no way to discount a proposition if his interlocutor can invoke the Quran or some old authority in its support.
The third difficulty for the community, and therefore for the rest of the world, is also in evidence in such pronouncements: the mind of the ulema remains rooted so far in the past as to be incomprehensible.
That is not all. For there is the other side to the coin—the mind of the followers whom they have weaned.
 
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Meh. This is nothing new. I used to live near a Mosque and I have heard firsthand the wonderful things that they've to say with regards to Hinduism via their loudspeakers.

India is secular country as long as all minorities keep it quiet and take the abuse from high cast hindus. As soon as you raise a voice!!..hye mata secular secular ka rap

Oh noes,

I propose an amendment that grants minorities the right to badmouth Hinduism so as to fortify the secular nature of India.

Whine someplace else.
 
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Tyranny of ‘national’ media

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Riot affected women with children eat at a relief camp set up for riot-affected Bodos in Kokrajhar district of Assam

Shockingly, the fact that every human life lost in any riot should be seen as a blot on the country is lost in the cacophony of a studio.

No — the above line is not some random rant by another random blogger. The line is picked up from a profound article written by the Editor-in-Chief of the CNN-IBN network. When read in isolation, the above statement sounds fully logical. Now let’s go back a little bit in time.

On July 24, a tweeter advised the author of the above article to cover all riots equally, be it Gujarat or Assam. The reply?

21 died in Assam, more than a 1000 in Gujarat. Scale and intensity, plus logistics will determine media coverage.

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Yes — you are indeed reading it right. The Editor-in-Chief actually said that — it is the “scale and intensity” that determines the media coverage. The person who is sermonising the readers on the value of every human life is the same person who put out the number of dead to justify the low coverage time on TV.

There was outrage over this — many valid questions were posed to him, chief among them by a tweeter was this:How did he know that more than a 1,000 died while the riots were happening in Gujarat? He later apologised for his tweet (followed by the routine “we-get-abused-no-one-apologises to us” argument), but I guess the cat was out of the bag by then. Is this the insensitivity with which the Delhi-based English language TV news channels deal with events?

The supreme fascinating irony in the first statement does not end there. Here’s a quick quiz question: Who moderates the ‘cacophony’ in the studio? Bingo!The author (and his ilk)! The ‘cacophony’ is what defines any primetime TV debate in any of the channels, and the moderator seems happy about it more often than not. And we are now being told that this ‘cacophony’ doesn’t allow the viewer to have the right perspective.

There is one more important thing that gains prominence in the ‘cacophony’ that is moderated by these exalted folks:The comparison of riots. Read any article, listen to any debate on riots, we hear only 1984 and 2002 (and perhaps going forward, Assam 2012 will get added). It’s as if no riot (big or small) has occurred before 1984, between 1984 and 2002, and between 2002 and 2012.

It’s one thing for politicians to fight over ‘whose riot is bigger’, but what about the media? Why are they not educating viewers and readers about the different riots that happened in the country and their context? Every riot has a context — the author himself tries hard to explain the “context” of the Assam riot and says it’s not “black and white” as “bigoted” minds would think. Have you ever seen any article that explains the ‘context’ of any other riot in this country? The‘media’ is doing grave injustice to its viewers and readers by not bothering to even attempt to discuss other riots, but then I guess that’s too much to expect.

However, there is one more profound statement in that profound article that definitely takes the cake.

No national channel has an OB van in Guwahati.

He was at pains to explain why the ‘media’ covered the Gujarat riots of 2002 more than the Assam riot in 2012. And all that he could come up with is this: No OB van and hence little coverage. The first question that came to mind was,why is it a ‘national’ channel if it does not even have an OB (outside broadcasting) van in one of the major State capitals? Fair enough to assume that Delhi-based channels do not have OB vans in any of the seven north-eastern States. But then why carry on this charade of being ‘national’ channels’ and foisting it on unsuspecting viewers.

At least 77 people have till now died in the Assam riot which has not yet ended. A whopping 4,00,000 people have been displaced and are in relief camps — which means they have been thrown out of their homes. If this is not a tragedy that deserves exhaustive coverage, then what does?

PS: The Group Editor of another channel, NDTV, took lots of pain to get into Libya during the ‘Arab Spring’. She went there illegally (or “cladenstinely” as B.Raman said) only to show the situation to the world. And when Assam was burning (and earlier when there were massive floods), she was nowhere to be seen. Not even close. Tyranny of distance? Really?
 
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time for internet hindoos to show up and explain what the hell is going on in india....why are muslims being killed daily....occupied Kashmir,Gujjrat,,,,Assam.......is narinder modi also behind assam killings?
 
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Meh. This is nothing new. I used to live near a Mosque and I have heard firsthand the wonderful things that they've to say with regards to Hinduism via their loudspeakers.



Oh noes,

I propose an amendment that grants minorities the right to badmouth Hinduism so as to fortify the secular nature of India.

Whine someplace else.

ok looser learn the meaning of secularism first or shutup
 
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India is secular only as long as Hindus are in majority in the country.

Islam and Muslims are inherently against secularism.

Look around. The idea of Islam and secularism has failed/is failing in the best of secular countries.

The US

The UK

France

Denmark

Even these countries have now started realizing the truth behind the veil of 'secularism' as demanded by the Islamists, this when these very Islamists fail to offer similar or any kind of freedom whatsoever to other minorities and women in their own countries.

They want to have all the freedom in the world in foreign countries but do not want to give any freedom to others in their countries.
 
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Why go far? Take a look at our neighbouring country itself.

Pathans killing Muhajirs.

Muhajirs killing Pathans.

Sunnis killing Shias.

Muslims blowing up other Muslims.

This is ample proof that Mohammadans are alien to the very concept of Secularism they so harp on in foreign lands.

Even on this forum you can hear them express their hatred for the very idea of secularism. Open some past threads about the role of minorities or secularism in that country.

Moral of the story?

Islam and Muslims cannot be secular even with their own people, let alone other religions.
 
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time for internet hindoos to show up and explain what the hell is going on in india....why are muslims being killed daily....occupied Kashmir,Gujjrat,,,,Assam.......is narinder modi also behind assam killings?

Why don't you explain to us why Pakistani Hindus are fleeing to India in Hordes when, as you claim, you have done little harm to them in your oh-so-awesome country?

You blame us for Gujrat et al.

Yet I don't see any Indian Muslims seelking asylum or refuge in Pakistan.

You say you don't have things like Gujarat in your land of the pure.

Then why are minorities from your country so eager to run away and seek asylum in India?

Why?

Is it not obvious that you have done something many times worse to them than Indians did to Indians Muslims in either Gujrat or anywhere else in India.

If there's anybody here who owes an explanation to anybody, it's you.
 
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