India as a major factor in "The Great Game"

[Chinese-Dragon]

No question about it, Russia will always be King in Central Asia.

We realised that a long time ago, which is why China together with Russia co-founded the SCO. An organisation that is all about mutual cooperation in the Central Asian region.

Russia has the most diplomatic power and influence in Central Asia, while China is the biggest trading partner of Central Asia.

We have already constructed multiple oil and gas pipelines to Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, as well as purchasing significant amounts of land in the former. This was all completed years ago. Not to mention our numerous pipelines into Russia as well.

It was Russia who helped us gain the Central Asian markets, it was Russia who helped us extend our influence into CA.

Why didn't they choose to co-found the SCO with India instead? Because India does not have a land connection to Central Asia, nor does India have the economic buying power that China does to consume all that CA produces.

 

[Srinivas]

Regarding Oli and Gas pipe lines, India will venture into East Africa since sea routes are feasible for us and China will go C.Asia. It is a bargain. Trade wise India will compete with China in C.Asia, even though China has huge advantage, but with rising wages in China India do have a chance to increase its trade.

Similarly in South Asia India will venture into BD, Srilanka , Nepal and Bhutan. China will venture into S.E.Asia.

There are some agreements, But again Chinese are unreliable so we have to watch out for. Regarding Afghanistan there are some agreements on terror related issues.

India Russian relationship is not the same as China Russia relationship, SCO is a trading block, India Russia has strategic relationship which extend from space co op to defense industries.

No question about it, Russia will always be King in Central Asia.

We realised that a long time ago, which is why China together with Russia co-founded the SCO. An organisation that is all about mutual cooperation in the Central Asian region.

Russia has the most diplomatic power and influence in Central Asia, while China is the biggest trading partner of Central Asia.

We have already constructed multiple oil and gas pipelines to Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, as well as purchasing significant amounts of land in the former. This was all completed years ago. Not to mention our numerous pipelines into Russia as well.

It was Russia who helped us gain the Central Asian markets, it was Russia who helped us extend our influence into CA.

Why didn't they choose to co-found the SCO with India instead? Because India does not have a land connection to Central Asia, nor does India have the economic buying power that China does to consume all that CA produces.

 

[Chronos]

No question about it, Russia will always be King in Central Asia.

We realised that a long time ago, which is why China together with Russia co-founded the SCO. An organisation that is all about mutual cooperation in the Central Asian region.

Russia has the most diplomatic power and influence in Central Asia, while China is the biggest trading partner of Central Asia.

We have already constructed multiple oil and gas pipelines to Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, as well as purchasing significant amounts of land in the former. This was all completed years ago. Not to mention our numerous pipelines into Russia as well.

It was Russia who helped us gain the Central Asian markets, it was Russia who helped us extend our influence into CA.

Why didn't they choose to co-found the SCO with India instead? Because India does not have a land connection to Central Asia, nor does India have the economic buying power that China does to consume all that CA produces.

A well thought out and reasonable post. Thank you

 

[Srinivas]

1. Historically India was a target not player as mentioned in the history posted by third eye.

Historically speaking when India was united (300 B.C) under ChandraGupta Mauraya, the first true emperor of unified India, Afghanistan is a part of India.

2. In the 70s and 80s India had greater influence than today. Russia was strong and could have handled Afghanistan situation along with India even merely an ally provided Cold war wasn't that hot.

If Russia is strong today, It do not need India, But Russia and India can do the things needed.

3. Today cold war has gone almost. Russia has gone weaker viz a viz any significant block wrg to this region.

Russia comes into the picture because of proximity, access and as a head state of former Soviet Union. The countries which separated from USSR still inclined towards Russia except few.

4. You talked about Russian fear viz a viz Chinese influence, whereas many analysts see Russia might extend hand to China for help in this area. So no reason for Russia to take on China. One China is inn , India is out.

The situation is quite complicated because of WOT, USA will not leave Afghanistan till 2024 which means the war will continue. Any alliances or trade blocks between Asian nations will be rendered use less by Pentagon. One of the objectives of WOT it seems is to make Afghanistan unstable there by blocking the advancements of Russia, China and India. So only way forward is having agreements with USA .

5. India is trading power however, it can not just fly over to CARs. You need strong support when Russia is itself weaker at the point it cant provide you any help.

Chahabar and the railway lines is the answer and the way forward.

6. NATO/US talked much about supply routes through Russia etc etc giving you solace but nothing significant happened . They still need us THE PAKISTAN to route out .

This issue is related to the costs of transporting equipment which out weigh the benefits of collecting them back, USA is thinking to leave or scrap some of the material.

Trade is a different matter all together, profits will dictate here, sea lines to Iran is a cheap transport and from there rail lines are feasible option.

7. US/Afghanistan still needs Pakistan even for negotiations so you can not just negate Pakistan's influence (ANYWAY subject of my discussion was NOT Pakistan here but since your main theme is this hence I also mentioned).

Yes Pakistan is a key player. Pakistan is not even considering FTA with India, so India is searching for alternate options.

8. Indians also trying to bank on Iran once again, however, with changing environment either India have to irk US to go all out or will keep a low in both the cases an all out India-Iran grouping wont be that strong.

India is a friend of Israel as well as Iran, similarly Indian diplomacy knows how to deal with the situation, India spent close to 100 million in developing Chahabar this is a priority project.

9. Read out all these parts posted by third eye ; all these point to phrases "WAS, "Were" even then India was NOT a player now its want to be a player but for that a lot of overhaul needed.

India is working on this.

lastly there could be China, Iran, Pakistan block as well and China, Iran, Russia, block as well. But again too many bold and risky decisions for these will be needed.

Iran and India interests converge, India and Russia operate Military bases in C.Asia (Turkmenistan). Three countries strategic interests converge here. If USA can be dealt diplomatically then things will become practical and implementable.

 

[Spring Onion]

Historically speaking when India was united (300 B.C) under ChandraGupta Mauraya, the first true emperor of unified India, Afghanistan is a part of India.

occupation does not mean Afghanistan is part of India or even was
on a lighter note BTW thanks Pakistan for educating chanakya for that.

If Russia is strong today, It do not need India, But Russia and India can do the things needed.

What are these things? )) few new players have joined in

Russia comes into the picture because of proximity, access and as a head state of former Soviet Union. The countries which separated from USSR still inclined towards Russia except few.

The American influence is stronger on these states

 

[Srinivas]

occupation does not mean Afghanistan is part of India or even was
on a lighter note BTW thanks Pakistan for educating chanakya for that.
What are these things? )) few new players have joined in
The American influence is stronger on these states

I have replied elaborately to your post dude, please go through the remaining post also. India drove those Greeks from Afghanistan and there used to be Hindu kingdoms in Afghanistan .

 

[scorpionx]

I have replied elaborately to your post dude, please go through the remaining post also. Edit option is missing in new format .

It is there dude.Just beside the time (a sign of a pencil).