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India as a great power: Know your own strength | The Economist

India is poised to become one of the four largest military powers in the world by the end of the decade. It needs to think about what that means

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UNLIKE many other Asian countries—and in stark contrast to neighbouring Pakistan—India has never been run by its generals. The upper ranks of the powerful civil service of the colonial Raj were largely Hindu, while Muslims were disproportionately represented in the army. On gaining independence the Indian political elite, which had a strong pacifist bent, was determined to keep the generals in their place. In this it has happily succeeded.

But there have been costs. One is that India exhibits a striking lack of what might be called a strategic culture. It has fought a number of limited wars—one with China, which it lost, and several with Pakistan, which it mostly won, if not always convincingly—and it faces a range of threats, including jihadist terrorism and a persistent Maoist insurgency. Yet its political class shows little sign of knowing or caring how the country’s military clout should be deployed.

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That clout is growing fast. For the past five years India has been the world’s largest importer of weapons (see chart). A deal for $12 billion or more to buy 126 Rafale fighters from France is slowly drawing towards completion. India has more active military personnel than any Asian country other than China, and its defence budget has risen to $46.8 billion. Today it is the world’s seventh-largest military spender; IHS Jane’s, a consultancy, reckons that by 2020 it will have overtaken Japan, France and Britain to come in fourth. It has a nuclear stockpile of 80 or more warheads to which it could easily add more, and ballistic missiles that can deliver some of them to any point in Pakistan. It has recently tested a missile with a range of 5,000km (3,100 miles), which would reach most of China.

Which way to face?
Apart from the always-vocal press and New Delhi’s lively think-tanks, India and its leaders show little interest in military or strategic issues. Strategic defence reviews like those that take place in America, Britain and France, informed by serving officers and civil servants but led by politicians, are unknown in India. The armed forces regard the Ministry of Defence as woefully ignorant on military matters, with few of the skills needed to provide support in areas such as logistics and procurement (they also resent its control over senior promotions). Civil servants pass through the ministry rather than making careers there. The Ministry of External Affairs, which should be crucial to informing the country’s strategic vision, is puny. Singapore, with a population of 5m, has a foreign service about the same size as India’s. China’s is eight times larger.

The main threats facing India are clear: an unstable, fading but dangerous Pakistan; a swaggering and intimidating China. One invokes feelings of superiority close to contempt, the other inferiority and envy. In terms of India’s regional status and future prospects as a “great power”, China matters most; but the vexatious relationship with Pakistan still dominates military thinking.

A recent attempt to thaw relations between the two countries is having some success. But tension along the “line of control” that separates the two sides in the absence of an agreed border in Kashmir can flare up at any time. To complicate things, China and Pakistan are close, and China is not above encouraging its grateful ally to be a thorn in India’s side. Pakistan also uses jihadist terrorists to conduct a proxy war against India “under its nuclear umbrella”, as exasperated Indians put it. The attack on India’s parliament in 2001 by Jaish-e-Mohammed, a terrorist group with close links to Pakistan’s intelligence service, brought the two countries to the brink of war. The memory of the 2008 commando raid on Mumbai by Lashkar-e-Taiba, another terrorist organisation, is still raw.

Pakistan’s nuclear capabilities are a constant concern. Its arsenal of warheads, developed with Chinese assistance, is at least as large as India’s and probably larger. It has missiles of mainly Chinese design that can reach most Indian cities and, unlike India, it does not have a “no first use” policy. Indeed, to offset the growing superiority of India’s conventional forces, it is developing nuclear weapons for the battlefield that may be placed under the control of commanders in the field.

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Military greatness heavily dependent on "Imported" hardware belongs to Russian & US

That is a necessity, as an enemy of India it should make us happy that world's 2nd largest country isn't even close to being self sufficient in military industry which dramatically decreases its ability to sustain a long term conflict which is not in our favor.
 
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Didnt get it...:drag:

This will explain.

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No state can achieve greatness by feeding off its citizens to achieve military greatness instead of feeding its citizens. India may become the 4th largest spender on bombs and guns in next 6 years and claim greatness, however the same country ranks 135th on international human development index and is home to one of the largest malnourished population on earth.

It applies to Pakistan as well, as we spend more than we can afford to but Pakistan isn't willing to claim greatness nor do we have any hegemonic desires. This is why i said that India should invest in its citizens instead of buying arms, or keep a balance to achieve real greatness. For example Indian defense budget is around 36 billion a year while the Education budget is around 9-10billion.I am no friend of India, i would rather have India carry on with ignoring development of its own citizens which will do to India what no enemy can.
 
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Military greatness at the expense of a state's own citizens doesn't bring greatness, it brings chaos. Good luck to India for becoming a "great power".

I guess it should have been at some other states' expense. We should have gotten Australians or germans to foot our military bill, isn't it? Not every country is like Pakistan, that it can get USA to pay for its military.

What sort of pointless comment is it anyway? It looks like an attempt to bring the whole "India has a big military when many people don't have access to toilets" sort of non argument, in disguise. It is forum policy not to talk about toilets or poverty in a defence thread, so now the tactic is to say that without saying that.

Understand this - every country's military is paid for by its citizens. And as far as spending goes, we spend less than 2 percent of our GDP every year on defence, and yet we have built one of the most powerful militaries in the region, and will build one of the most powerful in the world by 2020 or 2025.

How exactly is it "at the expense of its citizens", other than the fact that our citizens pay for it? And what alternative is there to that? Will Pakistan volunteer to lift that burden off our taxpayers and pay for us?

The same old, tired clichés thrown about whenever India's military is talked about positively - "oh but there are poor people in India." As if countries that have poverty shouldn't have a military, and as if the speaker's country has no poverty.
 
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OMG,everybody in the world, DO PLEASE forget us next time you write articles......
 
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@Aeronaut I will rather die hungry than let my country, my motherland taken over by enemies. I am ready to sacrifice everything, so that my coming generation remains in freedom for what our forefathers fought for.

I know we have 450 million poor people, but we have 1.2 billion Free Indians. Self Respecting India.

We will get out of this condition. I, as an Indian will make sure to do my part.

We may die of hunger, but we won't sell our freedom or let our sovereignty breached.
 
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Military greatness at the expense of a state's own citizens doesn't bring greatness, it brings chaos. Good luck to India for becoming a "great power".

only India, where the poverty rate is projected to fall from 51% in 1990 to about 22% in 2015, is on track to cut poverty in half by the 2015 target date.[5]

This is the projected rate of reduction in poverty, every year GOI spends lakhs of crores to reduce poverty, illiteracy and also increase food security.

Our Defense industry is going for self reliance within a decade we can achieve that.
 
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Sir our military expenditure is less than 2.5% GDP and yours is 3.5%. So save your great wisdom for your self.

No comparison has been made between Pakistan and India. It can be debated however it is not the topic for today.

@Aeronaut I will rather die hungry than let my country, my motherland taken over by enemies. I am ready to sacrifice everything, so that my coming generation rremains in freedom for what our forefathers fought for.

I know we have 450 million poor people, but we have 1.2 billion Free Indians. Self Respecting India.

We will get out of this condition. I, as an Indian will make sure to do my part.

We may die of hunger, but we won't sell our freedom or let our sovereignty breached.


Been reading some Churchill speeches? :D
 
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@Aeronaut:

We spend a lower percentage of our GDP on defence than Pakistan. We spend a much higher portion of our GDP on social welfare schemes (some of which are the biggest in the world). We spend more on health, education, infrastructure than your country does. Our poverty rates have been decreasing faster than our military power has been increasing. We have our priorities right, and sermons about spending money wisely should be reserved for certain countries that boast about spending money on nukes even if they have to eat grass.
 
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