India and UK to work on UAV, advanced explosives, NBC countermeasures etc

[IND151]

Dont know about surface combatants but the U-212s are probably the best AIP subs on the planet.

i guess India wants JVs with UK cause UK defense industry is in deep trouble so they maybe will give us more ToT

 

[sancho]

The Projects which we should join :

EADS Talarion :

Because French and British JV, Talarion is not getting any response from British MOD. EADS has asked the government to decide whether they will support them or they should go to Brazil or India. I think we should go for it because we already have a program for MALE UAV (Rustam), we can also have a program for HALE as our forces need them too. The project is still at starting point so we can learn alot.

Talarion has nothing to do with the UK, it is from EADS so a German/French development, the JV that you might mean is the competitior from BAE and Dassault called Telemos:

It was displayed at Aero India 2009 under the name Mantis and should be the better choice, not only for British and French forces, but also for IAF. Talararion is mainly a surveillance drone, Telemos will be armed and would be a European counterpart to US Predator and Reaper drones.

 

[angeldemon_007]

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May be Talarion was intended for UK only. According to the article i read, there are couple other UAVs one of them is BAE Mantis and that is the reason why now nobody is asking for Taranis. If we just wanna buy then Mantis is good because in Mantis case its almost ready and good thing it will also be armed like Reaper and Avenger while Mantis is in its early stages so if we partner with EADS we can salvage alot of knowledge which can help us in our MALE UAV Rustam. One thing with Talarion is right now its not clear whether it will be armed or not.

 

[Kinetic]

Talarion has nothing to do with the UK, it is from EADS so a German/French development, the JV that you might mean is the competitior from BAE and Dassault called Telemos:

It was displayed at Aero India 2009 under the name Mantis and should be the better choice, not only for British and French forces, but also for IAF. Talararion is mainly a surveillance drone, Telemos will be armed and would be a European counterpart to US Predator and Reaper drones.

I was also confused between this two. That BAE drone was unveiled in Aero india.

 

[Bhairava]

Astute class nuclear submarine is among the best of all submarines, not just AIP. It is said that Astute's sonar is so advanced that if she was lying in the English Channel she would be able to detect ships leaving New York harbour 3,000 nautical miles away (although the details of how she can do this are classified).

I find it too good to be believed. Can you reference some links ?

U-212 is not the best among AIP subs for sure, Scorpene AIP is good as well.

Scorpene can be compared to the U-214 but not to the U-212.

The real advantage of the U212 lies in its fuel cell driven AIP unlike the French MESMA which is steam turbine driven.

 

[sancho]

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May be Talarion was intended for UK only. According to the article i read, there are couple other UAVs one of them is BAE Mantis and that is the reason why now nobody is asking for Taranis. If we just wanna buy then Mantis is good because in Mantis case its almost ready and good thing it will also be armed like Reaper and Avenger while Mantis is in its early stages so if we partner with EADS we can salvage alot of knowledge which can help us in our MALE UAV Rustam. One thing with Talarion is right now its not clear whether it will be armed or not.

No Talarion as mentioned is an German / French development (EADS) and was aimed for their forces, but now Dassault has joint BAE on the UAV, initially called Mantis (today Telemos) and is offereing it jointly to the British and French forces. The British already uses US Reaper drones and BAE had own developments like Mantis and Taranis, but both obviously suffer from the big budget cuts in the UK, which is the reason why Dassault joint Mantis and why BAE is likely to join nEUROn in return.
For Europe that would be a big and important development, since both the former Mantis as a hunter drone and the nEUROn as a stealth UCAV has their own requirements and would have heavy industrial and political support behind it!
NEURON is build by Dassault and supported by French and Spanish parts of EADS (only the Germans didn't joined) + Saab and some other European aerospace companies. It should be obvious what additional push the inegration of BAE and UK would meant to this project.
On the other side all this new relations between UK and France obviously is concerning for EADS, at least the German part, because the French migh focus on the Telemos project now and leave the Talarion project behind, since the early is more useful for them in surveillance AND CAS roles, while the latter is mainly for surveillance only!

India has already own UAV developments, but imo especially the designs looks way behind all competitors, not to mention that there are several serious problems with these developments and we badly need experienced partners in this regard. One reason why we should focus on getting the Israelis on board, since they are the masterminds behind this kind of tech, next to the US. It's not surprising that even the Russian, French, or Brazilians are buying Israeli drones and trying to get into co-developments and JV with them.

I was also confused between this two. That BAE drone was unveiled in Aero india.

As mentioned above, the Mantis is still the same UAV, but gets some new French techs (possibly weapons like AASM as well) and a new name, Telemos.