India and UK to work on UAV, advanced explosives, NBC countermeasures etc

[Kinetic]

India's DRDO and UK's DSTL to work on UAV, advanced explosives, factors affecting human performance on the battlefield and NBC countermeasures. After Russia, Israel, US now we have high-tech joint research projects with UK. DRDO made significant advances in high explosives, soldier's performance on the battlefield and NBC warfare.

Britain and India to work on defence technologies
22 September 2011 |
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Chief Adviser, Professor Sir Mark Welland, with his Indian counterpart

Britain and India have signed a deal to develop cutting edge technologies for Defence and Security.

The MOD announced says that under the agreement, the two countries will pool their world class science and engineering expertise to work on projects such as Unmanned Aerial Vehicles, advanced explosives, and factors affecting human performance on the battlefield.

It opens the way for collaboration between scientists from DRDO and the UK’s Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL).

A number of projects are planned to begin in coming months focussed on the world-leading research facilities in DSTL and DRDO.

In addition to developing new technologies for equipment, scientists will also explore medical sciences and better ways of defending against chemical and biological threats through protection, decontamination and medical countermeasures.

Picture: MOD

Britain and India to work on defence technologies | British Forces News



DRDO signs pact with its British counterpart
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New Delhi: DRDO has signed a Letter of Arrangement (LOA) with its British counterpart Defence Science and Technology Laboratory to facilitate collaborative research and industry academia participation in defence technology.

The LOA was signed by DRDO Chief and Scientific Adviser to Defence Minister Dr V K Saraswat and United Kingdom's Chief Scientific Adviser (CSA) Sir Mark Welland on September 16 in London, DRDO officials said here.

"The signing of LOA marks an important milestone in the technical collaboration between the two countries and a number of projects are being planned to commence in coming months," they said.

DRDO signs pact with its British counterpart
Expressing confidence that the LOA will further strengthen technical collaboration and mutual relations between the two countries, Welland said, "India is one of the fastest growing economies in the world and is a power house of technology."

DRDO signs pact with its British counterpart
Indian and British scientists will be working together on technologies to face their country's defence and security challenges, thanks to the new agreement, Welland said.

 

[angeldemon_007]

The Projects which we should join :

EADS Talarion :

Because French and British JV, Talarion is not getting any response from British MOD. EADS has asked the government to decide whether they will support them or they should go to Brazil or India. I think we should go for it because we already have a program for MALE UAV (Rustam), we can also have a program for HALE as our forces need them too. The project is still at starting point so we can learn alot.

BAE Taranis

Yeah guys one more similar looking UCAV but this time from BAE. We can partnership with BAE on our AURA because lets face it right now only work that has been done in this project is the name which might get changed in a couple years and few sketches.

Future ICV or IFV

BAE system has done a good job to hide armored vehicles from detection. Mahindra and BAE can join hand to build the new future ICV for both Britain and India.

Future light weight artillery
India desparately needs artillery and UK has good tech base in this field. It would be really good if we join hands here also.


I must say the work in the NBC countermeasures is a real good area because lets face it, we are the most vulnerable and the most to lose from such attack.

Anybody has any other thing in mind can add to this list.

 

[guest11]

Now that is a great news, if bureaucrats and politicians don't screw this up too. JVs are the best possible way to decrease the technological gap. Going solo is a thing of the past and I hope learns from its past mistakes.

 

[Kinetic]

DRDO going global. A global hub of cutting edge defence research projects. The enthusiasm to jointly work with DRDO increasing rapidly.


Ministry of Defence | Defence News | Defence Policy and Business | India and UK sign defence research agreement

UK MoD press release


India and UK sign defence research agreement


22 Sep 11

Under a new agreement Indian and British scientists are to work together to develop cutting-edge technologies for defence and security.

Professor Sir Mark Welland and Dr Vijay Kumar Saraswat

The MOD's Chief Scientific Adviser, Professor Sir Mark Welland, signs a Letter of Arrangement with the Director General of India's Defence Research and Development Organisation, Dr Vijay Kumar Saraswat
[Picture: Corporal Tim Hammond, Crown Copyright/MOD 2011]

The UK MOD's Chief Scientific Adviser, Professor Sir Mark Welland, has signed a Letter of Arrangement in London with Dr Vijay Kumar Saraswat, Director General of India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

The two countries will pool their world-class science and engineering expertise to work on projects such as unmanned aerial vehicles, advanced explosives, and factors affecting human performance on the battlefield.

With a strong history of mutual co-operation, this important new agreement opens the way for collaboration between scientists from DRDO and the UK's Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (Dstl). A number of projects are planned to begin in coming months focused on the world-leading research facilities in Dstl and DRDO.

Sir Mark thanked Dr Saraswat for his efforts in working towards this milestone in our relationship with India. He said:

"I have seen the exceptional dedication, expertise and skill in the Defence Research and Development Organisation. I know that the UK can look forward to a productive and valuable co-operation with our great allies in India for many years to come."

Minister for Defence Equipment, Support and Technology, Peter Luff, also praised the new agreement. He said:

"Science and technology is one of the foundations of our bilateral relationship with India. The signing of this valuable agreement further demonstrates the strength of our long-standing alliance.

"I'm delighted that scientists from both countries will be able to share their impressive expertise in this field and have no doubt it will lead to even greater innovation in defence and security technology, benefiting both our nations."

In addition to developing new technologies for equipment, scientists will also explore better ways of defending against chemical and biological threats through protection, decontamination and medical countermeasures.

 

[Kinetic]

The Projects which we should join :


BAE Taranis

Yeah guys one more similar looking UCAV but this time from BAE. We can partnership with BAE on our AURA because lets face it right now only work that has been done in this project is the name which might get changed in a couple years and few sketches.

I also thought about Taranis. I think two possible outcomes,

1) They share their knowledge and technologies for each other's projects like India (AURA, Rustom-H) and UK (Taranis, Talarion).

2) Both side goes for new JVs like Brahmos.

I must say the work in the NBC countermeasures is a real good area because lets face it, we are the most vulnerable and the most to lose from such attack.

Well said.

Anybody has any other thing in mind can add to this list.

Naval systems must be one area of our interest.

Note DRDO developed many advanced explosives including Indian version ('Indian CL-20' or ICL-20) of world's most powerful explosive CL-20.

 

[jha]

Good..Now lets move ahead from paperwork and do something for real...

 

[angeldemon_007]

Note DRDO developed many advanced explosives including Indian version ('Indian CL-20' or ICL-20) of world's most powerful explosive CL-20.

Yeah, that was a great news but i think we should keep that to us only.

Naval systems must be one area of our interest.

I think if we want any collaboration in naval system we should go for French or Germans, they are the best. Good thing is there's JV coming up between France and Germany to develop future warships and submarines. India has good relationship with both of them and i think we should try to use it to enter in this great partnership.

I also thought about Taranis. I think two possible outcomes,

1) They share their knowledge and technologies for each other's projects like India (AURA, Rustom-H) and UK (Taranis, Talarion).

2) Both side goes for new JVs like Brahmos.

That is a great idea but what will be this new JV ? I mean we are well settled in cruise missile area and UK is not likely to enter the fighter jet area. We should go for something that we don't have knowledge about.

People suggest some new JV like Brahmos for India-UK. I have three ideas :
1) A joint venture on naval systems (not warships). India lacks in the many areas in naval systems like turbines, radars etc. The JV can built all those systems that India is not producing for its warships. or We can go for such a JV with France also.

2) The BAE-Mahindra's Defense Land Systems India can be set up as a company to build all future land based systems.

3) We can also form a JV in military satellites but my preference for this will be Russia.

 

[Kinetic]

I think if we want any collaboration in naval system we should go for French or Germans, they are the best. Good thing is there's JV coming up between France and Germany to develop future warships and submarines. India has good relationship with both of them and i think we should try to use it to enter in this great partnership.

Yeah we have pretty good naval collaborations with France but Britons are no less than french when it comes to naval area and way ahead of Germany. Note the Type-45 destroyer and Astute class nuclear submarines. They are some of the bests in the world. India also move ahead with IAC, P-15A, P-17 and Arihant class. I think we can share knowledge, expertise and after this agreement even joint research.

That is a great idea but what will be this new JV ? I mean we are well settled in cruise missile area and UK is not likely to enter the fighter jet area. We should go for something that we don't have knowledge about.

It is mentioned in MoD press release that initial cooperation will be on 'UAV, advanced explosives, factors affecting human performance on the battlefield and NBC countermeasures' and naval systems will come later.

People suggest some new JV like Brahmos for India-UK. I have three ideas :
1) A joint venture on naval systems (not warships). India lacks in the many areas in naval systems like turbines, radars etc. The JV can built all those systems that India is not producing for its warships. or We can go for such a JV with France also.

2) The BAE-Mahindra's Defense Land Systems India can be set up as a company to build all future land based systems.

3) We can also form a JV in military satellites but my preference for this will be Russia.

1) We have good advancement in radar technologies. I do not think we need any expertise in this area from UK.

2) That is a good area of cooperation. FMBT and FICV can add some benefits.

3) Neither Russia nor UK but US and Israel are the two best players in this area and we should cooperate with them. Our military sat capability is good and in coming years it will multiply.

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

Really awesome news guys!!!!

You made my day! Thanks

 

[lilaspr]

i thought UK buys everything from USA. Their defense tech are not mature enough. If its there then i am sure all of them are JV with USA. Why wasting time, focus and energy. Russian, Israel and french are willing to give u all the best tech they have. Why go for someone who was leading member for putting sanction on India. I don't see any scene there.

 

[Kinetic]

i thought UK buys everything from USA. Their defense tech are not mature enough. If its there then i am sure all of them are JV with USA. Why wasting time, focus and energy. Russian, Israel and french are willing to give u all the best tech they have. Why go for someone who was leading member for putting sanction on India. I don't see any scene there.

It is all about joint research nothing else. Do not think about anything else in this scenario. It is a good start.

 

[Bhairava]

Yeah we have pretty good naval collaborations with France but Britons are no less than french when it comes to naval area and way ahead of Germany.

Dont know about surface combatants but the U-212s are probably the best AIP subs on the planet.

 

[Firemaster]

Anybody has any other thing in mind can add to this list.

We should Jointly Develop the cloaking device technologies with them

 

[Dash]

i thought UK buys everything from USA. Their defense tech are not mature enough. If its there then i am sure all of them are JV with USA. Why wasting time, focus and energy. Russian, Israel and french are willing to give u all the best tech they have. Why go for someone who was leading member for putting sanction on India. I don't see any scene there.

UK means BAE systems. They are damn good in defence matters.

 

[Kinetic]

Dont know about surface combatants but the U-212s are probably the best AIP subs on the planet.

Astute class nuclear submarine is among the best of all submarines, not just AIP. It is said that Astute's sonar is so advanced that if she was lying in the English Channel she would be able to detect ships leaving New York harbour 3,000 nautical miles away (although the details of how she can do this are classified).


U-212 is not the best among AIP subs for sure, Scorpene AIP is good as well.