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[SrNair]

Yes. Taking world climate hostage is not going to further Chinas evil designs being one of the top polluters in the world. Indias diplomacy is all over the place. On one hand they got an unbelievable victory of getting a nod from the US which is where they should have stopped instead of aiming for unrealistic goal of actually getting a consensus which includes a heavy weight NSG member China who will never ever let India get in there without Pakistan getting in even if its the only disagreeing vote. If India wants the NSG then it uses its diplomatic clout and lobby to get Pakistan in, if not then it should just lobby to get the rules changed of entry into the NSG. I am sure it would be more likely for a country of Indias stature to change the rules and make another institution follow what has happened to the UN and child murdering case by two countries.

Agreed .
And our MEA minister already pointed out that we also wont oppose any other nations including Islamabad .Am I right ?
First of all India is only trying for getting NSG .Still we are not a member in NSG ,then how can we lobby for Pakistan
In this diplomatic game US is the real winner and China is the loser .For us ,Indians it was a reality check .
Indians checked whether China is actually worries about our growth and US used this opportunity to turn the opinion of the Indians against Chinese .Now both of them got the outcome
Chinese are really bogging down in their own boundaries .No matter what we will continue our effort more aggressively .Lets see how much these Chinese can hold .

 

[randomradio]

India can never sign or even implement the NPT, because the NPT says that there are only 5 legitimate nuclear powers in the world (the UNSC P5).

As usual, you are confused about the NPT and its implementation.

China has not implemented the NPT. China has proliferated nuclear tech to both N. Korea and Pakistan.

India has implemented the NPT by not having proliferated nuclear tech to anybody.

Today BrahMos missile was test-flown from Su-30 MKI fighter jet. World will envy IAF, says BrahMos Aerospace MD

Don't you think India can be military threat to the world in future. Signing NPT is for precaution.

India will definitely be a global military power. But India's democratic institutions give the country more credibility. India actually prefers a global disarmament. India's policy is "Everybody should have nukes or no one should have nukes".

The problem with China is they fear India will start selling reactors to Vietnam and other ASEAN countries. You think China gives too hoots about Pakistan.

 

[SrNair]

Really? If you think Russia will back you against China than you guys are mistaken.

Russia would be neutral when it it becomes China Vs India .
Both of them are their important partners .

 

[BetterPakistan]

Russia would be neutral when it it becomes China Vs India .
Both of them are their important partners .

Yeah, it could be.

 

[SrNair]

Here you go:

LSA, CISMOA, BECA and the Future of the US-India Defense Partnership - The Diplomat

Finally .
He acted like a TTA .He got the signed documents of LSA /CISMOA

@Syama Ayas @fsayed

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

China has not implemented the NPT. China has proliferated nuclear tech to both N. Korea and Pakistan.

India has implemented the NPT by not having proliferated nuclear tech to anybody.

So how come we are one of the 5 recognized nuclear powers by the NPT and the UN, the same 5 countries who form the UNSC P5.

While India is locked out of the NPT (like North Korea), the NSG and the UNSC P5? Despite begging for over a decade?

Finally .
He acted like a TTA .He got the signed documents of LSA /CISMOA

@Syama Ayas @fsayed

How does it feel to know you sold your sovereignty for an NSG seat, and you didn't even get the NSG seat?

 

[SrNair]

India can never sign or even implement the NPT, because the NPT says that there are only 5 legitimate nuclear powers in the world (the UNSC P5).

Well who wrote these laws ?
And what happen if someone out there that gives two hoots to this treaties of some other nation ?
We know how to play games .

And for us Indians ,for the first time we have seen the exercise of our global clout and diplomatic prowess .
MEA did a good job .

Whether you like it or not ,a strong growing economy and world largest democracy reputation is giving us additional advantage .
Our impeccable non proliferation record also a force multiplier .

So how come we are one of the 5 recognized nuclear powers by the NPT and the UN, the same 5 countries who form the UNSC P5.

While India is locked out of the NPT (like North Korea), the NSG and the UNSC P5? Despite begging for over a decade?



How does it feel to know you sold your sovereignty for an NSG seat, and you didn't even get the NSG seat?

Ya right .Like I said you got signed document of LSA .
And now talking to us about our sovreignity .And you knows more than us .
Keep it up TTA .Nice job .

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Well who wrote these laws ?
And what happen if someone out there that gives two hoots to this treaties of some other nation ?
We know how to play games .

Everyone in the world has signed the NPT apart from India, North Korea, Pakistan and South Sudan.

And the 5 countries sitting at the high table are the same in the NPT and the UNSC: China, Russia, Britain, America, France.

And we have this thing called "veto power" which Indians can't seem to understand. Just a few days ago every single Indian member was boasting about how China could not stop them from entering the NSG.

LOL. Veto power means we can stop any resolution and any new entry. For any reason at all.

 

[SrNair]

So how come we are one of the 5 recognized nuclear powers by the NPT and the UN, the same 5 countries who form the UNSC P5.

While India is locked out of the NPT (like North Korea), the NSG and the UNSC P5? Despite begging for over a decade?



How does it feel to know you sold your sovereignty for an NSG seat, and you didn't even get the NSG seat?

Begging ?
Neither we begged or nor we stole others IPR.

World come to us for nuke deal because they could see our accomplishments even after 34 year sanction.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Begging ?
Neither we begged or nor we stole others IPR.

World come to us for nuke deal because they could see our accomplishments even after 34 year sanction.

If this is not begging, then what is?

PM Modi asks China to back India's bid for UNSC seat, NSG membership - DNA India

It seems you still don't understand what "veto power" means. It means we can shut you down anytime we want, like we just did in the NSG.

You guys keep trying to figure out ways to "bypass" the veto power. Sorry it doesn't work like that.

 

[SrNair]

Everyone in the world has signed the NPT apart from India, North Korea, Pakistan and South Sudan.

And the 5 countries sitting at the high table are the same in the NPT and the UNSC: China, Russia, Britain, America, France.

And we have this thing called "veto power" which Indians can't seem to understand. Just a few days ago every single Indian member was boasting about how China could not stop them from entering the NSG.

LOL. Veto power means we can stop any resolution and any new entry. For any reason at all.

We wont sign NPT and we will accumulate our power for our own interests.
Some others said that we also wouldnt get MTCR .But now what?


We knew China will try to veto .
We anticipiated these move even before this session .That is what you can see from remarks of our MEA .
They only told about one nation .And it says a lots I mean a lots or I would say they begin to concentrate on the counter measures .

Might is Right .We both knows that and we will play the same game .

If this is not begging, then what is?

PM Modi asks China to back India's bid for UNSC seat, NSG membership - DNA India

It seems you still don't understand what "veto power" means. It means we can shut you down anytime we want, like we just did in the NSG.

You guys keep trying to figure out ways to "bypass" the veto power. Sorry it doesn't work like that.

Or I would say a last peaceful attempt .

If that seems as a 'beg' to you then only thing I can say that you got another golden feather to your TTA job

We already have all those benefits after NSG waiver .This is a formality and we will continue to push this .


Any way kudos to Chinese diplomacy .
Almost all neighbours looks suspiciously towards China .Fantastic job .

 

[fsayed]

Finally .
He acted like a TTA .He got the signed documents of LSA /CISMOA

@Syama Ayas @fsayed

I think he is confused poor chap

 

[randomradio]

So how come we are one of the 5 recognized nuclear powers by the NPT and the UN, the same 5 countries who form the UNSC P5.

While India is locked out of the NPT (like North Korea), the NSG and the UNSC P5? Despite begging for over a decade?

India's never begged to be in anything. So back to you.

When UNSC was formed, India wasn't an independent country. So after independence, there was no chance for India to get in without being a global power first, that's slowly happening now.

NSG and NPT were created to stop India. They were in fact created to disarm India and keep India out of nuclear trade. Has China disarmed India yet?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

India's never begged to be in anything. So back to you.

When UNSC was formed, India wasn't an independent country. So after independence, there was no chance for India to get in without being a global power first, that's slowly happening now.

NSG and NPT were created to stop India. They were in fact created to disarm India and keep India out of nuclear trade. Has China disarmed India yet?

Haha we weren't a part of the NPT or NSG either, we were very late arrivals.

But we managed to get in, and we even managed to get the NPT to recognize us as one of the 5 legitimate nuclear powers in the world, same with the rest of the UNSC P5.

India can do that too. But only if they can offer something good enough to China, since we have veto power.

 

[dray]

Dear Indian friends
Although i personally admire your " It ain't over till its over" efforts
However unfortunately your NSG bid has failed miserably regardless of whatever reasons or excuses
I can feel your "pain"
Perhaps its time to accept the reality its "OVER" and move on, shall we?

NOPE. It's not over till we get it.