India against sending UN probe team to Sri Lanka

[HeinzG]

refer to post #60

The solution is unacceptable.

First no self respecting SL leader will lease the sea to India as it will create a massive backlash in SL. Besides what will be the definition of sea that to be leased? How do we draw borders to the leased area and the non-leased area? The situation will be say as today.

Second common heritage? The Palk strait is not common heritage of India and Sri Lanka. That is why there is a border separating two nations. If it was to be used as common heritage obviously India will gain the upper hand and our own fishermen will be just bystanders of massive scale fishing operation by Indian fishermen.

It is better to lease the sea rather than sharing it.

we here are talking about a conflict, Central govt had gifted/ if not ceded a island to sri lanka, which that state is fighting a case for. Again, if you ask me that tiny island doesn't have a drop of water an is useless for me, but for people of tamil nadu its shores have plenty off fishes.

If they can prove govt of India ceded it good for them, if not good for them

This is not about Katchchethivu. It is about illegal poaching by Tamilnadu fishermen all around the Northern Sri Lanka.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

The solution is unacceptable.

First no self respecting SL leader will lease the sea to India as it will create a massive backlash in SL. Besides what will be the definition of sea that to be leased? How do we draw borders to the leased area and the non-leased area? The situation will be say as today.

Second common heritage? The Palk strait is not common heritage of India and Sri Lanka. That is why there is a border separating two nations. If it was to be used as common heritage obviously India will gain the upper hand and our own fishermen will be just bystanders of massive scale fishing operation by Indian fishermen.

It is better to lease the sea rather than sharing it.

International agreements, however, unjust they might be, have sanctity and they cannot be repudiated by successor governments. If India abrogates the agreement unilaterally, its image will suffer; the best possible solution is to get the Island of Kachchatheevu and the adjoining seas on “lease in perpetuity”,

In other words, Tin Bigha in reverse. It is a matter of gratification that Tamil Nadu Government, under the stewardship of both Jayalalitha and Karunandhi, has, on several occasions, suggested this course of action to New Delhi. But the Central Government behaves like Kumbakarna; it does not want to reopen the ownership claims of Kachchatheevu.

The indian govt will get alot of trouble if inquiry is ordered by the court on how the island landed up with sri lanka, hence he talks about lease.

Well with common heritage they mean the thousand years of movement from the mainland to the island and vice versa

This is not about Katchchethivu. It is about illegal poaching by Tamilnadu fishermen all around the Northern Sri Lanka.

With the island, Sri lanka gets fishing rights, so yes it is partly about the island too
poaching is happening from both side, unfortunately you have tamils there which doesnt go down well with the lanka's.
As for their fishing techniques i am all for them getting punished for it.

 

[HeinzG]

The indian govt will get alot of trouble if inquiry is ordered by the court on how the island landed up with sri lanka, hence he talks about lease.

I dunno Sri Lanka will not agree to it. But who knows. IMHO Sri Lanka should not agreed to it.

Well with common heritage they mean the thousand years of movement from the mainland to the island and vice versa

It doesn't matter people moved 1000 years or 10,000 years, now part of the waters is Sri Lankan property. Indian cannot claim it illegally.

With the island, Sri lanka gets fishing rights, so yes it is partly about the island too
poaching is happening from both side, unfortunately you have tamils there which doesnt go down well with the lanka's.
As for their fishing techniques i am all for them getting punished for it.

Katchchethivu is the excuse of you people. It is not only around Katchchethivu that poaching is done. Claiming Katchchethivu back will not solve anything.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

I dunno Sri Lanka will not agree to it. But who knows. IMHO Sri Lanka should not agreed to it.

would have to wait and watch, its jaylalitha that is pressurizing the govt, AFAIK, it was ceded to mend relations with sri lanka
But they should have taken tamil nadu into consideration

It doesn't matter people moved 1000 years or 10,000 years, now part of the waters is Sri Lankan property. Indian cannot claim it illegally..

as i said it will, there will be a mutual consent on it

Katchchethivu is the excuse of you people. It is not only around Katchchethivu that poaching is done. Claiming Katchchethivu back will not solve anything.

could be, what reasons do sri lankans have to cross into indian side ?
lets not complicate matters and leave it upto the head of govt respectively

 

[HeinzG]

would have to wait and watch, its jaylalitha that is pressurizing the govt, AFAIK, it was ceded to mend relations with sri lanka
But they should have taken tamil nadu into consideration

They should have objected at the time of the cession not now.

as i said it will, there will be a mutual consent on it

No mutual consent. Indians will destroy our seas if we share it.

could be, what reasons do sri lankans have to cross into indian side ?
lets not complicate matters and leave it upto the head of govt respectively

No reason. Even if our people do it, it is wrong and they should be punish for that. We try hard to keep our own people from crossing IMBL. India should do that also.

Actually the point is about organized poaching done by Tamilnadu fishermen.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

They should have objected at the time of the cession not now.

it is raised by state govt vs central govt, issue is going on since ages, now with the change in govt the issue is heating up

No reason. Even if our people do it, it is wrong and they should be punish for that. We try hard to keep our own people from crossing IMBL. India should do that also.

Actually the point is about organized poaching done by Tamilnadu fishermen.

same here, if our people do it, punish them
Indian govt is trying its best to stop them from crossing IMBL, the coast guard gives them warning too

 

[HeinzG]

same here, if our people do it, punish them
Indian govt is trying its best to stop them from crossing IMBL, the coast guard gives them warning too

We do punish them but why Tamilnadu make a fuss about it.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

We do punish them but why Tamilnadu make a fuss about it.

there are 2 fusses they make
IMBL
to get their fisherman release, unlike Sri Lanka, the state has to inform centre about its citizen getting crossed, unfortunately it is done through headlines

 

[HeinzG]

there are 2 fusses they make
IMBL

Tamilnadu has no claim on IMBL. So they should shut it.

to get their fisherman release, unlike Sri Lanka, the state has to inform centre about its citizen getting crossed, unfortunately it is done through headlines

If they worry so much about their fishermen get caught they should not send them over the IMBL.

 

[Saradiel]

criminal poaching deep into Indian territory isn't good enough to you ?
Sorry to burst your bubbles but Sri lankan fishermen are coming into 100's of nautical miles into Indian territory
isn't that across IMBL sweetheart ??

so arrest them and act according to your law. did any SLn here or SL gover ever told you not to?
And it is ludicrious to even equate SLn fishermen crossing IMBL to TN fishermen crossing IMBL....

Please give me a source which says SL fishermen is crossing in hundreds....

I know, few months back i was in rameshwaram.... and been to dhanushkodi.... I happened to speak to few of the locals in this issue..... I wont share what they said here for obvious reason.....

did they tell you they wave back at the indian coast guards and run away towards SL side to steal because indian coast guards cant cross IMBL though thieves do

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

so arrest them and act according to your law. did any SLn here or SL gover ever told you not to?
And it is ludicrious to even equate SLn fishermen crossing IMBL to TN fishermen crossing IMBL....

Please give me a source which says SL fishermen is crossing in hundreds....

Source is your minister himself who confirms that SL fisherman are in jails in Odissa and andhra pradesh
Links are provided

Why is it ridiculous ?? both are committing a crime

Tamilnadu has no claim on IMBL. So they should shut it.

that strech falls under supervision of tamil nadu and gives the an EEZ, hence they raise their voice

If they worry so much about their fishermen get caught they should not send them over the IMBL.

Whats ever is conveyed it is to the central govt, which they have the right to do

 

[Saradiel]

Did you even read what i posted before getting your panties in a twist ? No body denied SL fishermen tresspass in to Indian territory.. But as individuals not as mass scale poaching that TN trawlers do.. Read what International experts on fishing industry say.. It's not some SL based source.. Over 2500 trawlers from TN poach in SL waters almost daily

This singh dude has no shame or any idea of what justice is. He first said TN fishermen cross it due to a problem of identification. BUt then i gave him evidence that TN fishermen deliberately cross the IMBL and even their CM knows it but acknowledges it.
The funny thing is these fellows want to help SL tamils...

While letting these thieves to rob our fish resource SL import fish for consumption. Can you believe it? I wonder when this SL gov grow some balls....and act wisely other than knee jerk reactions

Source is your minister himself who confirms that SL fisherman are in jails in Odissa and andhra pradesh
Links are provided

and where hell did i deny it idiot? I said act according to your law and let us act according to our law

Are you that much stupid to comprehend simple english or that much racist and unjust? Your TN fishermen come in thousands and steal the fish of our people that too of people battered by war.

Whats ever is conveyed it is to the central govt, which they have the right to do

And central gov has said Katchchathievu belongs to SL and asked TN fishermen to honour the IMBL.......so the problems is why your fat fart in CM chair in TN does not oblige.

 

[Saradiel]

there are 2 fusses they make
IMBL
to get their fisherman release, unlike Sri Lanka, the state has to inform centre about its citizen getting crossed, unfortunately it is done through headlines

really are you saying TN CM has no other method of communication with your central gov? In which century is your country men living? why should state interfere and inform the centre about citizens crossing?

Let SL go ahead with our laws and punish them as you do to our fishermen who cross the IMBL. what business TN state has in it? And IMBL and katchchatheevu are settled issues between SL and india. Both india and SL gover has said that. what business that fat fart has after that?

itsame here, if our people do it, punish them
Indian govt is trying its best to stop them from crossing IMBL, the coast guard gives them warning too

but when we punish your fat fart in a saree gets heated up....let us punish them according to our laws.
And your TN CM is against stopping fishermen crossing borders

would have to wait and watch, its jaylalitha that is pressurizing the govt, AFAIK, it was ceded to mend relations with sri lanka
But they should have taken tamil nadu into consideration

as i said it will, there will be a mutual consent on it

could be, what reasons do sri lankans have to cross into indian side ?
lets not complicate matters and leave it upto the head of govt respectively

it was NOT ceded to Sri Lanka. Atleast read what your central gov says...

The heads of gover have already decided. and ask your TN CM to leave it at the head of govet

International agreements, however, unjust they might be, have sanctity and they cannot be repudiated by successor governments. If India abrogates the agreement unilaterally, its image will suffer; the best possible solution is to get the Island of Kachchatheevu and the adjoining seas on “lease in perpetuity”,

In other words, Tin Bigha in reverse. It is a matter of gratification that Tamil Nadu Government, under the stewardship of both Jayalalitha and Karunandhi, has, on several occasions, suggested this course of action to New Delhi. But the Central Government behaves like Kumbakarna; it does not want to reopen the ownership claims of Kachchatheevu.

The indian govt will get alot of trouble if inquiry is ordered by the court on how the island landed up with sri lanka, hence he talks about lease.

Well with common heritage they mean the thousand years of movement from the mainland to the island and vice versa


With the island, Sri lanka gets fishing rights, so yes it is partly about the island too
poaching is happening from both side, unfortunately you have tamils there which doesnt go down well with the lanka's.
As for their fishing techniques i am all for them getting punished for it.

why should we lease our own territory because you think india should have it? Anywhere one positive thing from the post is, TN thieves would have to at least pay for what they steal.

The reason central gov do not talk about katchchatheevu and says it is closed affair is because it is closed and no ground to open it...

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

And central gov has said Katchchathievu belongs to SL and asked TN fishermen to honour the IMBL.......so the problems is why your fat fart in CM chair in TN does not oblige.

because the territory belonged to Tamil nadu

 

[Saradiel]

I don't converge with flagless posters and by posting Tamilnadu politicians doesn't mean anything to me as they don't make foreign policies.

so?