India against sending UN probe team to Sri Lanka

[Gibbs]

Ok so you are telling me
We are fighting for a territory which is just 1.15km2 large
Can't there be a middle way like allowing both SL & India fisherman to use the waters
& I don't think that such a small territory should block greater trade & Investment btw India & SL
Millions of people will get employment if greater trade & investment is promoted btw the 2 countries

Would India let others impede on their sovereignty and plunder it's natural resources ? Doesn't matter how large or small a nation is, It is their right to defend it's territorial integrity.. And these are not mere TN fishermen eking out a living.. This is a massive illegal poaching industry.. Common TN fishermen cannot afford trawlers that bottom trawl.. These fleets are owned by politically powerful people in TN.. And they come in their hundreds making even the Indian coast guard helpless.. Just google article about what the Indian navy and coast guard has to say about it

All these stories about traditional fishing grounds is mere hogwash.. They started mass scale poaching after 1983 when the civil war broke out and the fishing of SL northern fishermen were severely restricted for obvious reasons.. Poachers in TN saw the opportunity after decimating Indian waters and fishing grounds with bottom trolling and saline fishing which are globally banned methods..They themselves unashamedly admit to it..

The only reason SL wont take it to International Criminal court is that as a sovereign country it is the central govt in Delhi who is answerable not the jokers in Madras.. SL are hesitant out of goodwill with Delhi .. At no time have SL navy or coast guard arrested poor TN fishermen in country boats even if they trespass.. This is not a issue of livelyhood as some try to portray but openly illegal poaching and antagonistic actions by a regional govt against a sovereign nation

 

[Echo_419]

Would India let others impede on their sovereignty and plunder it's natural resources ? Doesn't matter how large or small a nation is, It is their right to defend it's territorial integrity.. And these are not mere TN fishermen eking out a living.. This is a massive illegal poaching industry.. Common TN fishermen cannot afford trawlers that bottom trawl.. These fleets are owned by politically powerful people in TN.. And they come in their hundreds making even the Indian coast guard helpless.. Just google article about what the Indian navy and coast guard has to say about it

All these stories about traditional fishing grounds is mere hogwash.. They started mass scale poaching after 1983 when the civil war broke out and the fishing of SL northern fishermen were severely restricted for obvious reasons.. Poachers in TN saw the opportunity after decimating Indian waters and fishing grounds with bottom trolling and saline fishing which are globally banned methods..They themselves unashamedly admit to it..

The only reason SL wont take it to International Criminal court is that as a sovereign country it is the central govt in Delhi who is answerable not the jokers in Madras.. SL are hesitant out of goodwill with Delhi .. At no time have SL navy or coast guard arrested poor TN fishermen in country boats even if they trespass.. This is not a issue of livelyhood as some try to portray but openly illegal poaching and antagonistic actions by a regional govt against a sovereign nation

I just hope that both countries resolve this matter peacefully & open the doors for greater trade & Investment
@Rajaraja Chola is that massive trawlers & illegal poaching thing true

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

I just hope that both countries resolve this matter peacefully & open the doors for greater trade & Investment
@Rajaraja Chola is that massive trawlers & illegal poaching thing true

Well in a part , yes. The fishermens see the fishing areas as their traditional fishing zones, which date back to thousands of years.
Second the Katchateevu, a Island ceded by India to SL on a friendship basis of 1974, without permission from the State Assembly. Though a agreement can be reached on Katchateevu to allow Tamil Fishermens to Fish here, I do not find an option of mercy for other areas where they are caught fishing.
Before 2011, killings of Tamilian fishermens took place, now beatings, tearing of Fishing nets, seizing of boats take place.
I suggest return of the properties after their sentence is over. Its a delicate issue.

 

[Gibbs]

I just hope that both countries resolve this matter peacefully & open the doors for greater trade & Investment
@Rajaraja Chola is that massive trawlers & illegal poaching thing true

After the Tigers, Fishers Face Poachers - Sri Lanka | ReliefWeb

Maarten Bavinck, director at the Amsterdam-based Centre for Maritime Research has been researching the impact of the Indian incursions. He told IPS that more than half the estimated 5,000 trawlers based in South Indian fishing harbours like Rameshwaran and Nagampathan depend on Sri Lanka fishing grounds for their catch.

Bavinck’s research shows that Sri Lankans have suffered dearly. His studies at two fishing villages in the north showed that fishers who would ideally go out to sea for 200 days a year have now cut this down to between 60 to 80 days. “The trawler incursions are a major reason for this low number of fishing days,” he said.

The financial impact of this reduction in fishing days is dramatic. Between 20,000 to 28,000 families depend on fishing in the northern province of Sri Lanka, according to available government data. The family members number well over 100,000.

Bavinck estimates that incomes have fallen by as much as 20 percent. In some cases the losses are as large as 300 dollars per year for a fisher whose average monthly income is around 7,000 to 8,000 rupees (53 to 60 dollars), Bavinck said.

There is hope that atleast the new NDA govt of Modi will not deal with SL through antagonistic TN political prism like in the past but with progressive foreign policy of mutual respect of two sovereign friendly nations... There are good signs of that ..If so there can be a amicable solution found.. But the question of SL territorial integrity will not be compromised

Well in a part , yes. The fishermens see the fishing areas as their traditional fishing zones, which date back to thousands of years.
Second the Katchateevu, a Island ceded by India to SL on a friendship basis of 1974, without permission from the State Assembly. Though a agreement can be reached on Katchateevu to allow Tamil Fishermens to Fish here, I do not find an option of mercy for other areas where they are caught fishing.
Before 2011, killings of Tamilian fishermens took place, now beatings, tearing of Fishing nets, seizing of boats take place.
I suggest return of the properties after their sentence is over. Its a delicate issue.

The beatings etc are mere concocted stories none have been proved solid so far not even by Indian authorities.. SL have adopted a policy of returning arrested fishermen though a speed up judicial process on humanitarian grounds but will not release the trawlers owned by poaching magnates untill they pay heavy fines.. So far India have not reciprocated this action and keep SL fishermen that tress pass in long periods of incarceration

And please dude Katchchateevu is a mere excuse most of these poachers are arrested miles inside SL exclusive economic zone.. No where near Kachchateevu

 

[Echo_419]

After the Tigers, Fishers Face Poachers - Sri Lanka | ReliefWeb





There is hope that atleast the new NDA govt of Modi will not deal with SL through antagonistic TN political prism like in the past but with progressive foreign policy of mutual respect of two sovereign friendly nations... There are good signs of that ..If so there can be a amicable solution found.. But the question of SL territorial integrity will not be compromised



The beatings etc are mere concocted stories none have been proved solid so far not even by Indian authorities.. SL have adopted a policy of returning arrested fishermen though a speed up judicial process on humanitarian grounds but will not release the trawlers owned by poaching magnates untill they pay heavy fines.. So far India have not reciprocated this action and keep SL fishermen that tress pass in long periods of incarceration

And please dude Katchchateevu is a mere excuse most of these poachers are arrested miles inside SL exclusive economic zone.. No where near Kachchateevu

SL & India should start a Joint R&D program to find out ways to sustain fishing on both sides
Mindless poaching will eventualy lead to complete destruction of maritime life in that area

 

[Gibbs]

nation.lk ::: - Targeting Sri Lanka has gone too far – Subramanian Swamy

The targeting of Sri Lanka over human rights issues has gone too far and has to stop, Chairman of the BJP Committee on Strategic Action and Former Union Minister of the Government of India Dr. Subramanian Swamy said a short while ago. Furthermore, he said that India will give Sri Lanka much more support than before at the United Nations Human Rights Council. He made these remarks at a panel discussion on the topic of “India under Modi: Relevance for the Region and the World” organized by the Bandaranaike Center for International Studies and held at the BMICH.

Speaking further, Dr. Swamy stated that human rights have been used selectively by sections of the international community. He inquired what the Americans would say about the atomic bombs on Japan and what the British would say to the Dresden bombing, where a city with no military value was almost totally destroyed in a single night of bombing. What the West would say was that those were collateral damage but this excuse applies to them only, he observed.

“We are proud that your president was able to defeat terrorism, which could have grown into even a more threatening menace,” pointing out that no country had such success in eliminating such a dangerous terrorist organization completely.

Dr. Swamy also stressed that there were a number of people who want Sri Lanka not to succeed. To overcome the challenges, he asked Sri Lankans to dispel certain misconceptions, namely ethnicity and the existence of a Tamil Nadu factor. The fact that Aryans and Dravidians were different was a concept of the British, he said: “Ethnicity is a figment of British imagination”..

He also pointed out that the Tamil Nadu factor was a creation of the political classes and certain cinema personalities. These creators are sometimes funded by LTTE money, some of which has been raised by the LTTE even through drug smuggling. Dr. Swamy said that one weakness in India’s policy towards Sri Lanka was the veto power Tamil Nadu had. He suggested that this situation will not remain the same.

Five panelists from India took part in this discussion which was moderated by eminent Sri Lankan diplomat HMGS Palihakkara. Other panelists were senior journalist and political commentator Dr. Swapan Dasguptha, Prof. Madhav Das Nalapat of Manipal University in India, National Convenor of the Foreign Policy Cell of the BJP Dr. Seshadri Chari and Former Union Minister of the Government of India Dr. Suresh Prabhu

 

[Gibbs]

Regional unity..

India rejects visa for UNHRC committee investigating on Sri Lanka

Five countries expressed its objection to the United Nations Human Rights Council’s international investigation into Sri Lanka.

These countries are India, Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan and the Maldives.

Speaking to News 1st, Commissioner of the Sri Lanka Human Rights Commission, Dr. Prathiba Mahanamahewa stated that India has rejected to provide visa to the investigations committee to enter the country.

He added:

“They have appointed a committee comprising 13 individuals and three experts. While conducting investigations from the western countries, they want to conduct the investigations in a country that is close to Sri Lanka. India is an important country in this regard but India have rejected entry. Pakistan, Bangladesh Nepal and Maldives are in a similar stance, they are not willing to provide support for a suggestion brought on an individual country. They will want to conduct investigations in a country that is close to Sri Lanka, since they cannot enter Sri Lanka. Even Afghanistan have shown their objection towards this. They will have to conduct the investigation from outside Asia. They will have to contact witnesses in Sri Lanka through Skype and tele conferencing. The SAARC countries have united for the first time in this manner. This is very significant gesture from the part of the Indian leadership.”

 

[jbond197]

You have no answer that is why you call him a retard. He has a valid question. If you can't answer it accept that you cannot answer it, otherwise calling people names.

I respond in the same tone the question is asked in. The way he used abuse in his question it deserved much more, I actually settled for lesser..

You have a link for that the terror strike claims
Also the best way to pressure SL in my opinion would be increase our influence on them by the way of trade & other stuff like that & Fisherman issue is a non existent one
If you cross into someone's tertiary you are gonna be arrested simple as that

Follow news more closely then you would not be asking for links but anyways here you go

Pakistan's ISI planned terror attacks on US and Israeli consulates in India

 

[Saradiel]

Okay, if it is as clear as you say, why do SL fishermen cross to the Indian side ?

The same reason TN fishermen cross the borders. for fish..Not only it is clear that TN fishermen cross borders deliberately and fish in SL side, it is apparent that indian authorities know the situation very well,

Read this,
Indian Fishermen do cross IMBL - Coast Guard officer
Commanding Officer H.H. More, Coast Guard Station Mandapam said Indian fishermen are crossing the International Maritime Boundary Line (IMBL) and getting caught by the Sri Lankan Navy for poaching in Sri Lankan waters.
Reacting to the arrest of 40 fishermen from Karaikal and Nagapattinam on December 3 and their release after seven days of detention, Mr. More, talking to The Hindu on Thursday, said the Indian fishermen take a calculated risk and get caught in the bargain.
Describing it as a long pending problem, he said the fishermen not only cross the IMBL, while setting out for fishing, but reach very close to the Lankan coast.
"We will not keep quiet if Lankan fishermen or fishermen from Pakistan crossed the line and fish near our coast," he said.
In the case of 40 fishermen, he said they were fishing near the Bolder point, 'very close' to the east coast of Sri Lanka, when they were arrested by the Lankan Navy on December 3.
The Indian fishermen, sometimes, move close to two km away from the Lankan coast, he said.
The fishermen go out for fishing and they do not indulge in smuggling acts, but when hundreds of fishermen set out for fishing and get close to the Lankan coast, the possibility of some of them indulging in smuggling activities, could not be ruled out, he said.
The fishermen, who were equipped with GPS, know fully well their location of fishing, but they were wilfully crossing the border, taking a risk. When the Coast guard vessel, stop them at the IMBL, they take a deviation to get into the Lankan waters.
"After crossing the IMBL, they even used to wave at us as we cannot chase at them across the IMBL," the Commanding Officer said.
Pointing out that from Rameswaram, the IMBL lay about 16 nautical miles and from the Sri Lankan side, 14 nautical miles from the Point Calimere, he said for a lasting solution, a massive awareness campaign has to be launched among the fishing community to change their mindset, he suggested.
On charges levelled by the fishermen that the Indian Navy and Coast Guard do not come to their rescue when they were attacked by the Sri Lankan Navy, he said "I can't help when they are in other's territory. I can protect them only if they are in my territory," he said.
The fishermen have been distributed Distress Alert Equipment, free of cost by the Coast Guard, but they seldom take the devise, when they set out for fishing, he complained.
The fishermen have to be educated that the use of bottom trawling would wipe out the entire marine resources and it would pose a threat to their livelihood in the future.
"There is so much of technology available now, but they should go hand in hand with the awareness campaign as the issue concerned the livelihood of the fishing community," Mr. More said.

problem is our great Indra Gandhi gave away island of coast tamil nadu to Sri Lanka unconstitutionally...
I dunno why we didnt give kashmir to make friends with pakistan

uncultured brawny drug addicts giving tamils advice

Read what your government has stated regarding this and what your su-preme court has said. Your central government unlike your immature kids in TN state assemble have clearly stated india did not cede the islet to SL for the simple reason india did not own it.
And fishermen are not caught around katchchathievu but in east of SL which is hundreds of miles inside SL border.
The whole katchchathievu thing is an issue created for time buying purposes to indulge in robbery of the SL northern ppl's fish...ironically whom they call as their ethnic brethren

 

[Saradiel]

Fishermen do cross IMBL, says Coast Guard officer - The Hindu

the link
@Mr.S.Singh
And even if SL fishermen go to indian side and get caught you will not such hawkish demands and false propaganda from SL side.

 

[Echo_419]

I respond in the same tone the question is asked in. The way he used abuse in his question it deserved much more, I actually settled for lesser..



Follow news more closely then you would not be asking for links but anyways here you go

Pakistan's ISI planned terror attacks on US and Israeli consulates in India

Well there is evidence of Involvement of SL Nationals but not the SL Govt & they are carrying our Investigations on their part to
It's a different thing

 

[Gibbs]

I respond in the same tone the question is asked in. The way he used abuse in his question it deserved much more, I actually settled for lesser..



Follow news more closely then you would not be asking for links but anyways here you go

Pakistan's ISI planned terror attacks on US and Israeli consulates in India

Better get your house in order first..

Tamil Nadu youth joins ISIS, family recalls his journey into insurgency

 

[Saradiel]

Okay, if it is as clear as you say, why do SL fishermen cross to the Indian side ?

Not only the TN fishermen deliberately ignore IMBL, their state CM also does,

India should not recognise International Maritime Boundary Line with Sri Lanka: Jayalalithaa - The Times of India

CHENNAI: The long-standing fishermen issue with Sri Lanka came to a head on Tuesday with chief minister J Jayalalithaa stating that India should not recognise the International Maritime Boundary Line (IMBL) with the island nation as a settled question, as the constitutionality of the 1974 and 1976 agreements had been challenged.
In a letter to Prime Minister Narendra Modi, in which she sought his help for the release of a fresh batch of TN fishermen by the Sri Lankan navy, Jayalalithaa said, "I have pointed out in my previous letters, a permanent solution to the fishermen issue lies only in retrieval of the Katchatheevu island, to which India has a strong legal and historical claim."
The unconstitutional Indo-Sri Lankan Agreements of 1974 and 1976 should be nullified and the traditional rights of Tamil Nadu fishermen to fish in the Palk Bay should be restored, Jayalalithaa said. "The Union government should not treat the IMBL with Sri Lanka as a settled question as the constitutionality of the 1974 and 1976 agreements have been challenged on extremely valid and legal grounds by me in my personal capacity and also by the Government of Tamil Nadu in the Supreme Court of India," the chief minister said.

It is not that TN fishermen and politicians do not know IMBL, it is that they DO NOT care.
This whole kachchathievu thing is a made up claim to continue coming to SL side

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

Fishermen do cross IMBL, says Coast Guard officer - The Hindu

the link
@Mr.S.Singh
And even if SL fishermen go to indian side and get caught you will not such hawkish demands and false propaganda from SL side.

Our friendly SL fisherman have been caught entering Indian territory on Purpose too, for poaching for tuna. This has been happening since ages, Indian fisherman from kerela and tamil Nadu might cross into sri lankan side, but sri lankan fisherman go right upto Andhra pradesh and Odissa

More SL fishermen & their catch seized by Indian coast guard

Poaching of tuna is a serious security lapse, say police - The Hindu

Sri Lanka now asks India to release fishermen

so sir, you can clearly see , Both side's are at fault as i have said before

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

Not only the TN fishermen deliberately ignore IMBL, their state CM also does,

India should not recognise International Maritime Boundary Line with Sri Lanka: Jayalalithaa - The Times of India

CHENNAI: The long-standing fishermen issue with Sri Lanka came to a head on Tuesday with chief minister J Jayalalithaa stating that India should not recognise the International Maritime Boundary Line (IMBL) with the island nation as a settled question, as the constitutionality of the 1974 and 1976 agreements had been challenged.
In a letter to Prime Minister Narendra Modi, in which she sought his help for the release of a fresh batch of TN fishermen by the Sri Lankan navy, Jayalalithaa said, "I have pointed out in my previous letters, a permanent solution to the fishermen issue lies only in retrieval of the Katchatheevu island, to which India has a strong legal and historical claim."
The unconstitutional Indo-Sri Lankan Agreements of 1974 and 1976 should be nullified and the traditional rights of Tamil Nadu fishermen to fish in the Palk Bay should be restored, Jayalalithaa said. "The Union government should not treat the IMBL with Sri Lanka as a settled question as the constitutionality of the 1974 and 1976 agreements have been challenged on extremely valid and legal grounds by me in my personal capacity and also by the Government of Tamil Nadu in the Supreme Court of India," the chief minister said.

It is not that TN fishermen and politicians do not know IMBL, it is that they DO NOT care.
This whole kachchathievu thing is a made up claim to continue coming to SL side

uptill 1974, both nations jointly administrated the island, all she is asking why India gave up claim of the Island. Again since it belonged to her state, she has the right to go to Supreme Court

If she can prove the claims then Indian supreme court will slam the govt of that day on why India gave up claims
If she cannot her case will be dismissed