India Accused of Cultural Onslaught as It Bans Traditional Kashmiri Pheran Cloak

[padamchen]

? Now what?

This whole hairy ball fondling thing you have going on with the Madrasi which I've been watching while still on a ban.

Not that you need my approval for whose balls you currently favor fondling.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Joe Shearer]

This whole hairy ball fondling thing you have going on with the Madrasi which I've been watching while still on a ban.

Not that you need my approval for whose balls you currently favor fondling.

Cheers, Doc

LOL.

Now I get what @I.R.A is referring to. Cheer up, Doc.

 

[padamchen]

someone is editing my posts without leaving a trace that they are doing it. any post of mine that might show India, Iran or Bangladesh in bad light either gets deleted or edited

that is the point, It makes Pakistanis look vile.

All the subtle and well-written anti-Pakistan posts remain, only brash and moronic Indians are deleted or banned, while opposite is the treatment meted out to Pakistanis. Good ones (from Pakistan perspective) are censored or removed while the raving loons are kept or in your words encouraged

Someone is out to get you.

Be careful bro. It's a bad world out there.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Nilgiri]

As for manlion being a faker, I didn't know you had tested him, but he was clearly a phony; I'm glad you demonstrated it to him.

One such thread (its a long one, so when you have some time maybe):

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/what...te-country-hindi.564665/page-13#post-10584633

There are others, but this one stuck in my head a lot because I gained lot more respect for @waz (even more than I already had then).

I wish, @hellfire, you would tone down the strident note a bit; sometimes, it's startling to the unwary. Almost as if you were going around daring people to knock the chip off your shoulder.

That massive tagging of the same guy in one post hahaha. @I.R.A response cracked me up too lol.

do you two really believe that this here forum is either Pakistani or Muslim? really??

oh brothers!

I am surprised at you

Well a good start would be (beyond religion, nationality etc), not to indulge clear sociopaths like this one, talking to itself (just because it doesnt like the attention given towards its current multi-accounting):

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/foun...ndu-muslim-divide.592792/page-4#post-11038133

If you knew the earlier more coarse english (and marathi) "nilu pule" was projecting and the sudden shift now to a more conversant higher caliber style (to squeeze in quantity monologue talk to itself and others willing to indulge it)....certain things should be quite clear about the why and the how and the what.

Oh, is he not our gun slinger aka ashok 321 in another avtaar?

I thought it was him

LOL that guy, man I forgot about that one. It could be him tbh now that I think about it (he did hav an awful amount of time to waste for an agenda...kind of like the "good" doctor)....but I don't really know or care...I just know its not a Tamil.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

They are editing posts some times without leaving a trace that they are doing it. Any post of mine that might show India, Iran or Bangladesh in bad light either gets deleted or edited

that is the point, It makes Pakistanis look vile.

All the subtle and well-written anti-Pakistan posts remain, only brash and moronic anti-Pakistan Indians, Bangalis and Iranis are deleted or banned, while opposite is the treatment meted out to Pakistanis. Good ones (from Pakistan perspective) are censored or removed while the raving loons are kept or in your words encouraged

The same was done to me when we were discussing Hindutva and a video showing Hindus forcing a Kashmiri to praise Hindu idols.

These long winded posts by anti-Pakistan Indian posters are just hot air to hide their malice, otherwise what other purpose do they have to personally attack OP @manlion

I guess this is their new strategy to target Pakistani posters in gangs now that India’s fortunes are down, and seems Mods look the other way.

Great thread BTW, it shows just how far away from normative civil behavior India is going.

Kashmiris will continue wearing the pheran, topis, and chador regardless what Indian government thinks about it.

 

[Joe Shearer]

The same was done to me when we were discussing Hindutva and a video showing Hindus forcing a Kashmiri to praise Hindu idols.

These long winded posts by anti-Pakistan Indian posters are just hot air to hide their malice, otherwise what other purpose do they have to personally attack OP @manlion

I guess this is their new strategy to target Pakistani posters in gangs now that India’s fortunes are down, and seems Mods look the other way.

Great thread BTW, it shows just how far away from normative civil behavior India is going.

Kashmiris will continue wearing the pheran, topis, and chador regardless what Indian government thinks about it.

In case nobody has yet hammered on anyone's head and explained to him the basics, there is no ban on the pheran for ordinary people; only for entering secure areas. These children wouldn't come under the ban, and neither would Santa Claus.

 

[Hellfire]

LOL that guy, man I forgot about that one. It could be him tbh now that I think about it (he did hav an awful amount of time to waste for an agenda...kind of like the "good" doctor)....but I don't really know or care...I just know its not a Tamil.

I was just out to confirm my assessment. Like @Joe Shearer said, abcdxyz character and suvarna teja character appear same to me too.

@Joe Shearer the Pajero is in another avtaar on this thread - army research.

I have my own personal stalker on net - valkyr. Posts only once in a while, but will be quoting me and opposing me. That one is our very own Indian we all know.

 

[KAMDEV]

@hellfire

from the picture, not possible to hide an assault rifle in phiran.

if there's a security concern than supa pawa should invest in body /weapon scanners installed in educational institutions and the state secretariat. The banning of phiran is hindu fascists cultural genocide on kashmiris as its Islamic Central Asia outfit thats gaining popularity.

apply these measures in jerb e azb and rah e rast which is still unfinished .

The pheran is a type of cloak believed to have been brought into Kashmir around 700 years ago from Central Asia where it had the Persian name 'pairahan'.

A major controversy has erupted in Kashmir following a government order banning the use of the pheran, a key part of Kashmiri attire in some parts of the state. The decision was taken in the light of a rising number of terrorist incidents in the state and attacks on the security forces by crowds using stones.

A stream of protest erupted on social media criticising Delhi's decision to ban the ethnic Kashmiri wear in government offices.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1074924920323350528

The order is meant to be imposed in educational institutions and the state secretariat in Jammu and Kashmir. Earlier, the Ministry of Human Resource Development (MHRD) had removed the word Kashmiri from the online portal ‘BashaSangam' following a complaint by some Kashmiri Pandits.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201812...-dress/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Pheran banned in civil secretariat, zonal education offices

The school education department has banned the traditional Kashmiri attire ‘Pheran’ in its zonal offices in the Valley.

The development comes in the backdrop of a similar ban on the Pheran in the civil secretariat (Srinagar) where the commoners visiting the administrative departments have to relinquish it at the main gate.

Following this, the Zonal Education Officer, Langate issued an order last week banning the wearing of Pheran for every official visiting the office.

“All the officials visiting this office are advised to visit with proper dress code during any official visit. It is recommended that no official will visit this office wearing ‘Feran’, traditional trousers and sleeper/Plastic shoes (sic),” the order reads.

As per sources, the orders on similar lines are being issued at the behest of verbal orders from the Chief Education Officers in the Valley.

The civil secretariat security staff has put the Pherans on the barred items category.
The decision comes close on the heels of Ministry of Human Resource Development (MHRD) removing Kashmiri from the online portal ‘BashaSangam’ following a complaint by some Kashmiri Pandits.

And all these decision of interfering with the Kashmiri language and indigenous Kashmiri dress is being looked in the Valley as a cultural onslaught carried by New Delhi on the Kashmiri people.

The move of the government banning the traditional Pheran leaves one wondrous with the former chief minister and National Conference Vice President Omar Abdullah being seen donning the Pheran frequently while the commoners are discriminated.
In 2014, Omar Abdullah had asked the Srinagar-based Army's 15 Corps to withdraw its order asking the journalist fraternity to refrain from wearing the Pheran.

“If the army has in fact told journalists not to wear a pheran to Corps HQ events that is unacceptable & the order should be withdrawn (sic),” Omar wrote on Twitter in 2014. “People wear their pheran with pride. It's part of our identity aside from the best way to stay warm in the cold. Can't ban pherans.”

Later the Army while retreating the order had termed the guideline as “inadvertent”.
Peoples Democratic Party President Mehbooba Mufti also used to wear the Pheran frequently as chief minister while the commoners visiting the Srinagar civil secretariat had to keep their traditional attire atop the iron poles outside the secretariat premises.
Kashmiri politicians across ideological divide have been wearing the Pheran publicly, many times to strike an emotional chord with the local populace.

The Hurriyat (M) Chairman Mirwaiz Umar Faroooq along with Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front Chairman Muhammad Yasin Malik may not be wearing the Pheran for political reasons but they, because of their public profiles, also have been popularising the Pheran as a preferable formal dress in winter by choosing to wear it outside their homes in winters.

The Pheran was further popularized among the Kashmiri youth by Bollywood film actors including Shahid Kapoor, Ranbir Kapoor and Salman Khan who during their film shoots in Kashmir chose to wear Pherans on and off the film shoots.

The Pheran is believed to have been brought into the Valley around 700 years ago from Central Asia where it was used as a cloak under the Persian name “Pairahan”.
The Central Asian Pairahan is believed to have been adopted by the English who later called it the ‘Apron’ now donned by the doctors world over.

Over the years, the sale of the tweed cloth for the Pherans in the Valley has witnessed an upsurge while the tailors in the summer capital Srinagar been blending the traditional design of the Pheran with the English coat designs.
With attractive motifs, the popularity of designer Pherans in Kashmir is increasing by the day and Pheran have now crossed the geographical boundaries.

For centuries, Pheran has served as traditional apparel for Kashmiris to combat the harsh winter.

It is used with the traditional fire pot (Kangri) in tow, which serves as a reliable means to keep people warm.

http://www.risingkashmir.com/news/cultural-onslaught-continues-in-kashmir-339884.html

good decision .

 

[manlion]

good decision .

just like Jallikattu - the ban on Tamil traditional sport, the "good decision" to ban Kashmiri pheran that had to be later revoked by the fascist regime

If you ban the pheran, you're banning Kashmir itself

Forbidding the globally-admired traditional attire would have been akin to stripping Kashmir of its cultural identity, forcing Kashmiris to question the idea of unity in diversity.

For a brief time recently, the fundamental right to wear clothing of one's choice was no more valid in Kashmir — at least, with regard to the iconic pheran.

The pheran is emblematic of Kashmir itself

The Jammu and Kashmir government had turned averse to Kashmir’s traditional cloak, worn by both women and men to combat the harsh Himalayan winters, if not necessarily as a style statement too. The government, headed by Governor SP Malik, had for a while banned the pheran at some of its offices, causing a stir in the already trouble-torn region. Later, the order was withdrawn.

Social media was abuzz though. Kashmir’s who’s who, including politicians like Omar Abdullah, weren't silent. Most were openly venting their feelings in support of Kashmir's attire of pride.

As per the Srinagar-based English daily, Rising Kashmir, the development came in the backdrop of a similar ban on the cloak in Srinagar’s Civil Secretariat where visitors would have to relinquish the cloak at the main gate. At the secretariat, the police had put pherans on the 'barred items' category.

But this was not the first time that this traditional robe found itself at the heart of such a controversy.

But this was not the first time that this traditional robe found itself at the heart of such a controversy.

In the last thirty-odd years of armed conflict in the region, the pheran has often been looked on with suspicion. This owes presumably to its loose fitting, which affords the wearer an opportunity to carry a kangri or traditional fire-pot inside.

From a 'security' point of view, common sense suggests — if a pheran can carry a fire-pot, it can also hide firearms.

In 2014, the Army had asked Kashmiri journalists to refrain from wearing the pheran at events held by the Srinagar-based Army 15 Corps. Following an outcry from the media fraternity, the Army subsequently revoked the orders, terming the guidelines as 'inadvertent'.

In the 1990s, when militancy was at its peak, similar orders, though verbal ones, were often put in place against the cloak.

An official ban only came now.

It was withdrawn against the furore that followed but logically, there could have been two possible reasons behind the controversial ban in the first place.

One, to those who disapprove of it, the pheran apparently looks 'awkward' — much like how Haryana’s khap panchayats once found western attire like jeans and skirts 'indecent' and 'demeaning' for Indian women to wear.

Two, an excuse in the grab of 'security reasons' — well, there have been incidents when international airports across the world, including ones in the US, have been accused of harassing passengers, especially women, whose undergarments even were allegedly frisked in the name of security threats.

But then, despite terror threats of the highest order, no country ever banned any underwear, for instance.

So why would we want to ban the pheran?

Hillary Clinton found the pheran to be a graceful outfit

So, creating an irrational fear about one particular attire only makes the intentions behind doing so seem doubtful — they make people question the very idea of unity in diversity.

The pheran has been an integral part of Kashmiri culture for the past seven centuries. It is believed that the pheran was brought to the Valley from Central Asia where it was used as a cloak, bearing the Persian name 'Pairahan'.

Any ban on the pheran thus would be no less than a ban on Kashmir’s cultural identity.

https://www.dailyo.in/arts/kashmir-...drawn-social-media-outrage/story/1/28452.html

 

[KAMDEV]

just like Jallikattu - the ban on Tamil traditional sport, the "good decision" to ban Kashmiri pheran that had to be later revoked by the fascist regime

If you ban the pheran, you're banning Kashmir itself

Forbidding the globally-admired traditional attire would have been akin to stripping Kashmir of its cultural identity, forcing Kashmiris to question the idea of unity in diversity.

For a brief time recently, the fundamental right to wear clothing of one's choice was no more valid in Kashmir — at least, with regard to the iconic pheran.

The pheran is emblematic of Kashmir itself

The Jammu and Kashmir government had turned averse to Kashmir’s traditional cloak, worn by both women and men to combat the harsh Himalayan winters, if not necessarily as a style statement too. The government, headed by Governor SP Malik, had for a while banned the pheran at some of its offices, causing a stir in the already trouble-torn region. Later, the order was withdrawn.

Social media was abuzz though. Kashmir’s who’s who, including politicians like Omar Abdullah, weren't silent. Most were openly venting their feelings in support of Kashmir's attire of pride.

As per the Srinagar-based English daily, Rising Kashmir, the development came in the backdrop of a similar ban on the cloak in Srinagar’s Civil Secretariat where visitors would have to relinquish the cloak at the main gate. At the secretariat, the police had put pherans on the 'barred items' category.

But this was not the first time that this traditional robe found itself at the heart of such a controversy.

But this was not the first time that this traditional robe found itself at the heart of such a controversy.

In the last thirty-odd years of armed conflict in the region, the pheran has often been looked on with suspicion. This owes presumably to its loose fitting, which affords the wearer an opportunity to carry a kangri or traditional fire-pot inside.

From a 'security' point of view, common sense suggests — if a pheran can carry a fire-pot, it can also hide firearms.

In 2014, the Army had asked Kashmiri journalists to refrain from wearing the pheran at events held by the Srinagar-based Army 15 Corps. Following an outcry from the media fraternity, the Army subsequently revoked the orders, terming the guidelines as 'inadvertent'.

In the 1990s, when militancy was at its peak, similar orders, though verbal ones, were often put in place against the cloak.

An official ban only came now.

It was withdrawn against the furore that followed but logically, there could have been two possible reasons behind the controversial ban in the first place.

One, to those who disapprove of it, the pheran apparently looks 'awkward' — much like how Haryana’s khap panchayats once found western attire like jeans and skirts 'indecent' and 'demeaning' for Indian women to wear.

Two, an excuse in the grab of 'security reasons' — well, there have been incidents when international airports across the world, including ones in the US, have been accused of harassing passengers, especially women, whose undergarments even were allegedly frisked in the name of security threats.

But then, despite terror threats of the highest order, no country ever banned any underwear, for instance.

So why would we want to ban the pheran?

Hillary Clinton found the pheran to be a graceful outfit

So, creating an irrational fear about one particular attire only makes the intentions behind doing so seem doubtful — they make people question the very idea of unity in diversity.

The pheran has been an integral part of Kashmiri culture for the past seven centuries. It is believed that the pheran was brought to the Valley from Central Asia where it was used as a cloak, bearing the Persian name 'Pairahan'.

Any ban on the pheran thus would be no less than a ban on Kashmir’s cultural identity.

https://www.dailyo.in/arts/kashmir-...drawn-social-media-outrage/story/1/28452.html

keep pheron out of offices , wear it in home .