indain involvement of terrorism in pakistan and proof.

[r3alist]

this is a question to indians, with all the talk of proof and lack of proof i want to get an idea of something before anything is brought to the fore.


what would indians regard as "proof" to their involvement in pakistan?

what would convince them?

is there anything?


i think its literally impossible to convince them since they will never want to believe that they are involved, who is willing to admit that?

 

[humblehobbes]

this is a question to indians, with all the talk of proof and lack of proof i want to get an idea of something before anything is brought to the fore.


what would indians regard as "proof" to their involvement in pakistan?

what would convince them?

is there anything?


i think its literally impossible to convince them since they will never want to believe that they are involved, who is willing to admit that?

Replace Indians with Pakistanis and vice versa... You will see thousands of exasperated posts in the Mumbai Mela section...

 

[absarahmedkhan]

Same is the case with Pakistan. I firmly believe both countries should start minding their business, specially the self-perpetuating agencies of both countries.

 

[r3alist]

so NO indian is willing to say what they would consider as credible proof but ALL of them are willing to jump and scream if anything is put to them.

so these indians are behaving like extremists it seems, not being very rational, should i be surprised?

 

[Chanakyaa]

this is a question to indians, with all the talk of proof and lack of proof i want to get an idea of something before anything is brought to the fore.


what would indians regard as "proof" to their involvement in pakistan?

what would convince them?

is there anything?


i think its literally impossible to convince them since they will never want to believe that they are involved, who is willing to admit that?

Actually you must modify ur question.

If u feel India is doing Terrorism, wont GoI already Know It.. after all they are doing it.
The same is for pakistan.
See what India has done.. Convinced US and the World that there are Terror Sources in Pakistan.

Now India need not show to Pakistan - I am Showing u that u did it.
US is doing the job for India.

So my POV is, If Pakistan has a Real Proof, Show it to the world.. then let the world ask India.

 

[r3alist]

no, i am basing my question on the fact that some indians are already trying to dispel something that has not even been put to them properly.

so obviously they are preparing themselves for when something is put forward.

i am trying to understand whether it is possible for indian to hold their hands up and admit that they are involved - and what it is that would be required for them to do this.

 

[deckingraj]

no, i am basing my question on the fact that some indians are already trying to dispel something that has not even been put to them properly.

so obviously they are preparing themselves for when something is put forward.

i am trying to understand whether it is possible for indian to hold their hands up and admit that they are involved - and what it is that would be required for them to do this.

Just present the proof and that will be all..The reason they are dispelling it is because even without providing any proof people have concluded that India is helping TTP to destablize Pak...to denuclralize it..and some people have even said that US is also involved in helping TTP...

Now all these naive comments without being backed up by proofs make your argument look biased and out of hatred.


However the bigger questions is do you have proof? If no then what is all this fuss about..If yes then why the heck it is not being shared...I mean don't share with India but atleast share with rest of world???

 

[r3alist]

Just present the proof and that will be all

i agree, but then its clear from other threads that some indians are being quite defensive claiming india does not produce this weapon or that weapons so it cant be us etc etc

so already trying to defend something but they do not really know what exactly it is!

that much is clear to me.


what i want to establish is what do indians need to be convinced of their involvement?

 

[gogbot]

what i want to establish is what do indians need to be convinced of their involvement?

Show your supposed proof to the world.

then get a UN resolution condemning India.

That is rock solid, No way anyone can deny something like that.
But then since all you have is circumstantial evidence, which can be interpreted in any number of ways.

you have no proof of Indian involvement.
And i personally don't think India is involved, Unless the UN says differently.

 

[Trisonics]

this is a question to indians, with all the talk of proof and lack of proof i want to get an idea of something before anything is brought to the fore.


what would indians regard as "proof" to their involvement in pakistan?

what would convince them?

is there anything?


i think its literally impossible to convince them since they will never want to believe that they are involved, who is willing to admit that?

Before we even get to answer your questions, let me ask you some that every Indian, heck every Pakistani wants to know.

Ok, for a moment lets assume India is fully involved in everything you claim, as a country, what should Pakistan do?

The logical answer IMO would be to take every little bit of evidence you have, however convincing, to some sort of platform and let everybody know, least, atleast India know! For all the cries and squeaks we hear from your side of the border there has been "ZERO" evidence provided to anybody.

Before you say India-US-Israel! Let me ask you another question, lets again assume the 3 most evil countries in the world are on a mission to destroy Pakistan. So, as a country what should Pakistan do?

The best thing here would be to push US and its allies out of Pakistan and handle the situation yourself, right? There may be huge repercussions, but hey! there is more pride in that then having them use their weapons on your soil.

Lastly, why don't you at least provide all the evidence you have against India to your all weather friend China? have them rally this evidence with the rest of the world.

If really your country cannot do anything, I mean anything against the so called evidence that can only mean two things, one, There is in fact, no evidence!! or a country is cheating its own people, which in my book would be a failed state!.

Sorry, don't mean to insult you or anybody here but if there is evidence why not publish it to the world and open some eyes everywhere? The India-Pakistan issue always finds a place in the world's media, we have all seen it. Whatever evidence you have provide it..There will be quite a lot of talk in the world media and else where..if you cannot then you decide what could be the reason.

 

[deckingraj]

i agree, but then its clear from other threads that some indians are being quite defensive claiming india does not produce this weapon or that weapons so it cant be us etc etc

so already trying to defend something but they do not really know what exactly it is!

that much is clear to me.


what i want to establish is what do indians need to be convinced of their involvement?

How does it matter what indias are saying in this forum or for that matter anywhere?? we indians are saying from 2 decades that Pakistan is sponsoring terrorism in india...whereas still lot of pakistani members address them as Kashmiri Freedom fighters..it doesn't matter unless and until you have something to back your claim with...Let me give you a recent example... During kargil pakistan claim was that people capturing heights are freedom fighters and pak army has no role in it...what happened??? Proof was shown and world community put their backing behind india and pak got isolated...Do the same to india...but for that do you have proof????

Let me repeat...it the answer is yes why the heck you are not showing it??? If the answer is no then what this fuss about???

so already trying to defend something but they do not really know what exactly it is!

The same i can say about Pakistan...Recent example was mumbai where hard core proofs were given but before that Kasab was pretty much Amar..isnt it?? So please show the proof and make india pay for all the wrong doings(if at all they are doing)...