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In Pakistan, men make decisions and women make dinner

Hello there. To be completely honest I'm a little shocked by the responses I've seen here, but I still respect different opinions. I'm the author of the piece being discussed and I know there's a different side to the coin and really try to be as objective as I could.

Let me hear your issues and let's have a discussion with what you took objection to.

But just to clear the air. I'm not some foreign hippie. I've lived in Pakistan my whole life, I wasn't especially privileged and I'm a practicing Muslim. Making those baseless claims of it being otherwise is rather telling and rather sad. But if anyone is looking to have a civil discussion, then that can only help :)
 
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The average girl in Pakistan is extremely oppressed. She is taught that she is a representation of honour. She is taught to be shy and quiet. Her purpose in life is to get married and run a home, and many times there’s a conversation between families as to whether she would be ‘allowed’ to work, just to check if her husband would be comfortable with it.

Dumb. Very very dumb generalization.

Women in Pakistan are lawyers, doctors, teachers, engineers, politicians (Benazir anyone?), generals and even fighter pilots. Our culture respects women. A mother is the most respected figure in any household here.

So don't tell me that you lived in the US for a few years. Fell in love with half clothed women there and started thinking that being naked is what all women want.

Pakistani women go without any head cover or wear hijab if they want. 99% of the society (women included) is OK with the setup we have. Small and vocal minority of 0.99% molvis and these 0.01% libtards are not happy.

More power to Pakistani women!
 
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Dumb. Very very dumb generalization.

Women in Pakistan are lawyers, doctors, teachers, engineers, politicians (Benazir anyone?), generals and even fighter pilots. Our culture respects women. A mother is the most respected figure in any household here.

So don't tell me that you lived in the US for a few years. Fell in love with half clothed women there and started thinking that being naked is what all women want.

Pakistani women go without any head cover or wear hijab if they want. 99% of the society (women included) is OK with the setup we have. Small and vocal minority of 0.99% molvis and these 0.01% libtards are not happy.

More power to Pakistani women!


Thanks for your post Bouncer. I don't doubt women in Pakistan are doing amazing thing. I mentioned in my post how my own mother was an example. She's became of successful doctor and founded her own company without the help of any man. I know of countless examples of great women from Pakistan who are so inspirational

The issue I tried to raise was for the women who didn't have the same opportunities. I went to school in Pakistan with so many girls who were afraid all their work was going to waste because they were being told they might not be allowed to work once they are married.

Apart from this, my mother who has a large number of female patients would tell me some of their plights. How their dreams and ambitions were crushed at a young age. So many women wrote to me after I posted this about how it describe their situation.

This is not a generalization. This is a problem and it is unfair to those who suffer from it. If a young girl wants to become an independent role model with a career of her choice and she wasn't allowed to for some reason. We need to fix that. And I've seen it happen first hand. That is what I was raising a voice against.
 
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Hello there. To be completely honest I'm a little shocked by the responses I've seen here, but I still respect different opinions. I'm the author of the piece being discussed and I know there's a different side to the coin and really try to be as objective as I could.

Let me hear your issues and let's have a discussion with what you took objection to.

But just to clear the air. I'm not some foreign hippie. I've lived in Pakistan my whole life, I wasn't especially privileged and I'm a practicing Muslim. Making those baseless claims of it being otherwise is rather telling and rather sad. But if anyone is looking to have a civil discussion, then that can only help :)
How about you start by responding to these posts ..
These burger types have NO clue as to the real challenges face by average Pakistani girls. They live in their bubble and try to act as our 'saviors'
It's insulting to Pakistanis how these idiots think they can speak for us and define what our problems are. No mate, you fu*ck off with your elitist behavior and throught process. You don't speak for Pakistan or it's problems. You have never experienced them, and never will (thanks to your rich and well-connected daddy that got you this job at English-language magazine....which 90% of Pakistanis can not even read).
-In my opinion, this is as pathetic as an article can get. So lemme get this straight, a guy from a country which has around a 70% divorce rate, an identity crisis among the young because they don't know who their fathers are (a shout out to "sexual freedom" for that one), and according to feminist organizations, a sexual assault/domestic violence epidemic --- is talking about how other countries should function socially ... that should be the end of the conversation right there ...

-But let's take it further, he talks about how MEN use religion as a proxy to enforce stuff on women. Well guess what, the enforcement of special roles isn't on 'JUST WOMEN', a society whose social structure is based on gender roles, men have theirs too. How many women die in wars? How many women work in dangerous jobs even in the west which loves to talk about a glass ceiling at the top management, but all you hear is birds chirping if you mention that coal miners and other dangerous job holders are exclusively men and that should be 50-50 as well because after all ... It not being 50-50 means that there is some sort of "discrimination and oppression of women" .. atleast according to western feminism...

-Lastly, in a democratic society, no Tom, Dick or Harry from the west is going to tell us PAKISTANIS, how WE should lead our lives. Our men and women will be the ones to decide. If men and women want gender specific roles where men go out and are charged with the responsibility of the finances etc. while women remain in the houses and take care of the children and housework ... that is OUR decision as a society. If men and women want to be completely free where everything is gender neutral, that is OUR decision again. Let's not take advice from a hyper confused society that talks big on "gender equality" yet women want men to pay on the first date cuz "it's traditional" ...
Pakistani men are the true champions of their families having to assume responsibility early in life without break. Spare us this dogmatic bullshit, Pakistani family system is very mature and decisions are made with full consultations with the females.
Please don't insult the intelligence of the people responding to this article. The said poster's response is in fact quite appropriate cuz that's the type of articles you see from feminists. As far as the argument about convenient interpretations is concerned as a proxy to oppress women ... Yeah some part of it might be true in rural areas where less educated people reside and are guided by our street mullahs.

Anyways, Let's see these other "valid points" ..
1. Pakistan has had female fighter pilots. That's as frontline as it gets. In addition, qualitative standards need to be met. In the US marines for example standards for qualification for women were dropped when women weren't able to pass the set fitness examination. Do we want incompetent defense or your feel good inclusion ?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uirement-wont-three-pull-ups-pass-muster.html
2. Baloney. Such "wage gaps" have been debunked countless times. There is an entire book available regarding the subject by Dr. William Farrel who debunks the entire "discrimination theory" behind the wage gap.
3. There is this thing called "ghar damad".
4. Again horse $hit, he doesn't have any proof to back up his claim, when you look at formal and informal structures of power, you find that women make decisions too. Heck, women even make decisions for men. There was a white feather campaign by the brits in the great war, where women shamed men as young as 16 to sign up for the army by giving them a white feather.
5. Gender roles are enforced on BOTH MEN and women. It's not a one way street. And btw, its a system that actually works. Just look up crime statistics in the US of kids that are born out of wed-lock or belong to a single parent family.
6. Yeah, we literally tell our children " Maa ke kadmon tale jannat hai" ... I really wonder who they respect more.
7. Similarly, when kids are taught ... hit back if someone hits you. The one exception is .... If it's a girl that hits you, don't hit back. Whose subservient to who .. is a whole debate that one can't simply justify with an anecdote.
8. Yeah, and it was opposed by EVERYBODY.
9. One constant though, the man is always supposed to work. The woman has the option, if she chooses to, the families can work it out. How many times do we have the conversation if the son is supposed to work or not?
10. Nope, the point of education is to equip yourself with different view points, to educate yourself to be a better human being and view the world differently. Education for the sake of getting a job is the last thing on the list of what education should be about.
11. Again BS argument. The religious rules apply on both men and women. This isn't oppression olympics, if it were .. people like the OP should visit suicide statistics, violent crime victim statistics, on the job injury and death statistics etc.
12. Yet we conveniently have a man imposing his views of "freedom of women" down another society's throat. Quite ironic indeed.
13. The only difference, our society actually reacted and there is no such thing as a hijab for 5 marks in our system, while there is a burqa ban in france.
14. Many women actually do support their husbands who are ill and can't work. Our society, at least myself as an individual look at them as hero's as they didn't whine and cry about their tough situation, instead they opted to do something about it.
 
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If one do wrong, we should not stop other to do wrong.
If brother murder someone then sister has right to murder also.
In our society, alcohol club dance brothel drugs are haram for both genders.we should stop them both.
but if one do this doesn't mean other should do also.we should stop the one doing and don't let other go same way.

No one is implementing rules to right the boys. The concern has always been with the girls.

Even a boy who visits brothels every day expects his girl friend to be a virgin. How hypocritical?

Your analogy on murder is incorrect. I would say if the boy has right to commit suicide then the girl should also have the same right.
 
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Thanks for your post Bouncer. I don't doubt women in Pakistan are doing amazing thing. I mentioned in my post how my own mother was an example. She's became of successful doctor and founded her own company without the help of any man. I know of countless examples of great women from Pakistan who are so inspirational

The issue I tried to raise was for the women who didn't have the same opportunities. I went to school in Pakistan with so many girls who were afraid all their work was going to waste because they were being told they might not be allowed to work once they are married.

Apart from this, my mother who has a large number of female patients would tell me some of their plights. How their dreams and ambitions were crushed at a young age. So many women wrote to me after I posted this about how it describe their situation.

This is not a generalization. This is a problem and it is unfair to those who suffer from it. If a young girl wants to become an independent role model with a career of her choice and she wasn't allowed to for some reason. We need to fix that. And I've seen it happen first hand. That is what I was raising a voice against.

Thank you for being polite.

You raised an important issue. Our current situation, though not nearly as bad as it is portrayed in media, needs improvement. My objection was on your choice of words when you claimed that "The average girl in Pakistan is extremely oppressed."

IMO, average Pakistani girl is doing quite well. Academically and professionally; she has schools and universities to go to and she can choose any career she wants.

But does she face difficulties in choosing these schools and careers? Yes. How much difficulty? Depends on her family and her town. Yes there are enclaves where women are discouraged from making their lives. But urban and semi-urban Pakistan, where majority of our population lives, is open and progressive. You just need to look at the gender ratio in major public universities to see that. A recent article in Dawn showed that women outnumber men in Punjab University. These stats need to be looked at a macro level, instead of basing our arguments on a few media stories or anecdotal evidence.

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No one is implementing rules to right the boys. The concern has always been with the girls.
  • When you talk about domestic violence, if a man hits a woman, it's a serious issue. The reverse is in order "You go girl!"
  • When a male teacher has intercourse with a young female teenager, it's a serious issue. Reverse the genders (female teacher has her way with a male teenager student)" That kid is no victim, he got lucky". In fact we make fun of these "lucky victims" on the grandest comedy shows we have e.g.
  • When a girl has to face harassment by a guy, it's a serious issue. Reverse the genders " he got lucky"
  • When there are less females compared to male students who get college degrees its "sexism". As soon as more women start to get college degrees it's "women empowerment"
I could go on and on but I say again, revisit your arguments my friend because not only is the reverse in order, it is far more serious and it is present from the subcontinent to the most egalitarian societies in the world.
 
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  • When you talk about domestic violence, if a man hits a woman, it's a serious issue. The reverse is in order "You go girl!"
  • When a male teacher has intercourse with a young female teenager, it's a serious issue. Reverse the genders (female teacher has her way with a male teenager student)" That kid is no victim, he got lucky". In fact we make fun of these "lucky victims" on the grandest comedy shows we have e.g.
  • When a girl has to face harassment by a guy, it's a serious issue. Reverse the genders " he got lucky"
  • When there are less females compared to male students who get college degrees its "sexism". As soon as more women start to get college degrees it's "women empowerment"
I could go on and on but I say again, revisit your arguments my friend because not only is the reverse in order, it is far more serious and it is present from the subcontinent to the most egalitarian societies in the world.


What is the point of bringing the feminist movement into this debate? I know there is a feminist movement and there are cases of reverse discrimination but this topic is about girls who genuinely miss their rights and are being oppressed.

Both the feminist groups and oppressed female groups coexist. That is the reality.
 
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Isn't that (the cooking part) a universal reality in straight marriages?
Is the writer who was very glad to be a boy in early days now making dinner while his spouse makes the decisions?




The Way I See It
In Pakistan, men make decisions and women make dinner
By Abu Bakr Agha Published: March 25, 2017

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I remember when I was much younger and observing society around me, I was so glad I was a boy.
Inequality between men and women is not something exclusive to the subcontinent or the Middle East. For instance, while allowed to participate in the army, women are still not permitted to serve in frontline combat in the United Kingdom, Turkey, and Slovakia. In the United States, and other developed nations, women are consistently overlooked for promotions and paid less for doing the same work their male counterparts do.

In this part of the world, however, we make a clear distinction. Gender inequality is far from over in the developed world but at least mainstream statements that promote equality and denounce gender bias are reassuring that the philosophy of the movement is headed in the right direction. In Pakistan, however, we are doing the exact opposite.

I remember when I was much younger, I was so glad I was a boy. At family gatherings, I would wonder why the uncle’s parents always lived at home with their son but the aunty was on her own. I realised that after marriage, women would move in with their husband’s family. I was really attached to my parents and felt relieved that in the future, I wouldn’t have to move away to some girl’s house.

I grew up in a reasonably liberal household but such social constructs still managed to reach me through school teachers, religious teachers and the odd extended family member. Men were meant to go out and make money, women were meant to take care of the house; men made decisions, women made dinner.

My own mother worked, made financial decisions, paid bills and did whatever she felt like the same way my father did; so, perhaps I looked at other ideas of gender as a story or metaphor. However, strong gender roles are forced upon those less fortunate than myself. In Pakistan, people in positions of authority, who children are taught to respect, continuously highlight differences between men and women, often selling short a woman’s ambition, her individuality and her worth as a human being. And often, these authority figures are not just teachers but parents as well.

When I was in America, I met a girl from India. I remember one day she was running late to meet one of her guy friends, which eventually lead to her having a panic attack. I calmed her down and asked what the problem was. She said she was afraid of her friend’s reaction at being late. I asked how she could be so afraid of someone she called a friend. She explained she didn’t want to disappoint him or make him angry, because he would always lose his temper when she didn’t listen to him or was late.

This was clearly a toxic friendship. I eventually helped her get out of it, but she never had an answer or explanation for the way she acted. Turns out, from a very young age, her mother always told her women should be subservient to men. In her subconscious mind, men had an elevated status to the point where she was willingly acting like a slave to a boy who perhaps, by the same logic, may have felt superior as a result of his own upbringing.

This is how dangerous our South Asian culture can be when it comes to raising our children. Another friend told me that some of her Pakistani and Indian friends were depressed at how subservient they had become to their husbands or boyfriends.

Recently, Punjab Higher Education Minister Syed Raza Ali Gillani suggested that government institutions would allot five marks to hijab-wearing students in a bid to promote the practice. This reminded me of all times men felt the need to force rules and ideas upon women. I was glad to see the backlash that ended up making this such a short-lived story but it is still proof that the problem is alive and kicking.

The average girl in Pakistan is extremely oppressed. She is taught that she is a representation of honour. She is taught to be shy and quiet. Her purpose in life is to get married and run a home, and many times there’s a conversation between families as to whether she would be ‘allowed’ to work, just to check if her husband would be comfortable with it.

The point of an education is to equip an individual with a sense of independence and liberty. These are absolutely worthless if in the same premises, we teach women that they are only meant to fill certain roles. I recently heard a lecture on the number one trending YouTube channel in Pakistan, ‘Bolti Kitabain’(Talking books), that the purpose of a women’s education is to make her a good person; not so that she can work … go figure.

Of course, we can’t hide away from the fact that there is a strong religious association to this entire problem and with our culture so strongly tied to religion, which is taboo to even question, therein lies the problem.

I was always taught a verse in the Quran, ‘there is no compulsion in religion’ (Surah 2, verse 256). But this verse is falling onto deaf ears. So, let’s say we weren’t taught it. The problem is that men feel the need to control women and use religion as a proxy and women refuse to challenge it. To get out of this problem, egalitarian men, women and scholars need to stand up for oppressed women and girls.

When we have discussions about women rights, women need to be present at those panels and TV shows in the majority. We have repeatedly been brainwashed by being told that women should do a certain thing. It’s time we stand up and constantly remind society and people like Gillani that a man should not speak on behalf a woman but should empower her speak up and make decisions for herself.

It is hypocritical to be offended when France bans the veil and be proud when Pakistan enforces the hijab. Every human being deserves a choice in what to wear, what to study, when to get married, whether to get married at all and what to do with his or her life.

This oppression on women in Pakistan is justified through convenient interpretations of the Holy Scripture, but everyone seems to forget that the Holy Prophet (pbuh)’s wife Hazrat Khadijah was a successful merchant with numerous trade caravans, without the help of a man. She was a strong independent woman who approached the Holy Prophet (pbuh) for marriage and then supported him. How do we react today in Pakistan when a wife supports the husband? We can’t even picture it because the gender roles we teach don’t subscribe to such ideas.

Abu Bakr Agha
A software engineer, musician, writer and activist from Islamabad, currently based in Chicago.
 
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What is the point of bringing the feminist movement into this debate? I know there is a feminist movement and there are cases of reverse discrimination but this topic is about girls who genuinely miss their rights and are being oppressed.
Both the feminist groups and oppressed female groups coexist. That is the reality.
I was responding to your claim of "no one implements the rules to the guys" ...and "hypocrisy" and how that just isn't true ... It's a two way street where men are also discriminated against and no these ideas/ arguments aren't just reserved for feminist groups, normal people who don't ascribe to a certain philosophy like feminism etc. also discriminate --- like mentioned.

This debate is about how men basically hold the power using certain proxies and social systems in place while your everyday women are oppressed i.e. "Men make all the decisions, women make dinner" ... Not really that true once you actually start looking at stuff from a critical perspective .. now is it?

Secondly, for a group that holds all the power, why is it that we can't even get recognized as victims even when we men are at the receiving end of sexual assault, domestic violence, sexual harassment and statutory rape?
 
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If only they could wake up, open there eyes and see beyond the usual propaganda and hatred!!

Sima Kamil to head a major Pakistani bank.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1367023/first-woman-named-head-major-pakistani-bank/

Shazia Syed heads Unilever Pakistan.
http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=59073532&privcapId=20387191

Ms. Tahira Raza is the president and CEO of Pakistan's First women bank.
http://www.fwbl.com.pk/about-us/presidents-profile/

Shazia Perveen is serving in Rescue 1122 as a Firefighter

Fiza Farhan CEO of Buksh Foundation, working for promotion of Green Energy in the country.

She was also part of the ’30 under 30’ list by Forbes magazine for Social Entrepreneurs in 2015.

Samina Baig, well you do not need words to introduce her!!
Samina-Baig-1100.jpg

Coming from Hunza, this lady have hoisted the green flag over MOUNT EVEREST at a young age of 21.

Zenith Irfan - The biker girl!
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Ever heard of Banu Qudsia, Bilquis Edhi or Parveen Shakir? :)

Ever watched the dozens of media channels and the countless females hosts of all important programs, newscasters, actresses and singers. :)

Do we need to continue the list of hundreds of thousands of women playing an all important part in the development and progress of the country. Do we really need to mention those hundreds of thousands of other staying back at home and still building the nation!! :enjoy:

Or, may be I just need to mentioned Benazir Bhutto the TWO time prime minister of Pakistan and wonder how many women have been elected as the President of USA!! Oh no!! They voted that scum trump just ONLY because the didn’t wanted a woman to be there president. SADDDDD :D
 
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If only they could wake up, open there eyes and see beyond the usual propaganda and hatred!!

Sima Kamil to head a major Pakistani bank.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1367023/first-woman-named-head-major-pakistani-bank/

Shazia Syed heads Unilever Pakistan.
http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=59073532&privcapId=20387191

Ms. Tahira Raza is the president and CEO of Pakistan's First women bank.
http://www.fwbl.com.pk/about-us/presidents-profile/

Shazia Perveen is serving in Rescue 1122 as a Firefighter

Fiza Farhan CEO of Buksh Foundation, working for promotion of Green Energy in the country.

She was also part of the ’30 under 30’ list by Forbes magazine for Social Entrepreneurs in 2015.

Samina Baig, well you do not need words to introduce her!!
Samina-Baig-1100.jpg

Coming from Hunza, this lady have hoisted the green flag over MOUNT EVEREST at a young age of 21.

Zenith Irfan - The biker girl!
zenith-irfan-960x600.jpg


Ever heard of Banu Qudsia, Bilquis Edhi or Parveen Shakir? :)

Ever watched the dozens of media channels and the countless females hosts of all important programs, newscasters, actresses and singers. :)

Do we need to continue the list of hundreds of thousands of women playing an all important part in the development and progress of the country. Do we really need to mention those hundreds of thousands of other staying back at home and still building the nation!! :enjoy:

Or, may be I just need to mentioned Benazir Bhutto the TWO time prime minister of Pakistan and wonder how many women have been elected as the President of USA!! Oh no!! They voted that scum trump just ONLY because the didn’t wanted a woman to be there president. SADDDDD :D

Everyone is proud of these achievements and we are miles ahead of a lot a countries but you're still missing the point. Just because Oke girl has the opportunity, doesn't mean another does. We need to take out the message that boys and girls have different roles from places where impressionable children may hear it.

Benazir example is a great one. Every girl needs to be taught that if she wants to become prime minster then nothing should stand in her way. They shouldn't have to struggle more than boys.
 
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Everyone is proud of these achievements and we are miles ahead of a lot a countries but you're still missing the point. Just because Oke girl has the opportunity, doesn't mean another does. We need to take out the message that boys and girls have different roles from places where impressionable children may hear it.

Benazir example is a great one. Every girl needs to be taught that if she wants to become prime minster then nothing should stand in her way. They shouldn't have to struggle more than boys.

-I see you haven't responded to the earlier criticism leveled against your piece which is rather telling to be honest. However, let's discuss what you've stated in this post.

-When you say "just because one girl has the opportunity doesn't mean the other does" ... That can easily be applied on men, the gender which you state "makes the decisions". As a male student, try getting in to an arts field in Pakistan, most likely the parents stop funding your education and with the job market already saturated as is, and no other system available like say, education loans in the west, the education options for men are quite limited i.e. STEM fields and business.

-In other words, when we talk about "limitation in opportunities" it's not exactly one sided where women are the victims all the time. In a gender role framework, men have their roles to fill as well i.e. provider and to fulfill his role he has to face certain hardships as well. 73% of the child labor force (total child labor force estimated around 3.3 million) in Pakistan is being formed by boys according to the national child labor survey, how many times do we hear about "boys empowerment" ? I mean after all, it's the overwhelming majority of boys who are subjected to such a horrific fate where they are forced to work in the most hazardous environments and according to you these little chaps are already empowered thanks to their gender right? The average Pakistani man lives 2 years less compared to the average Pakistani woman. According to a research by (Khan & Prince, 2003) where 15 years of data was examined of suicide trends in Sindh, men committed nearly 71% of the reported suicide. While women "don't have opportunities", men overwhelmingly work in more risky work places and as a result have a bigger on job injury rate and on the job death rate globally.You talked about how you loved your parents and couldn't fathom living without them, guess what happens when your a boy living in a home, where income is a problem and the family is living from hand to mouth. Most likely, you'll be shipped to the local madrassa relieving some financial pressure off them and now your expected to become a hafiz, get a job at your local mosque and provide for them when they are old.

-So instead of all this chirping for "women women women", where women are the perpetual victims, where your reasoning goes from" my auntie was all alone at dinner" to "my friend in the US had a toxic friendship" how about you actually take a look at the real issues.I'm not saying women don't have issues that need fixing, ofcourse they do. But when a country has 40% of the population living around the poverty line, some decisions are taken out of necessity instead of "sexism". When one talks about "gender equality" in the modern sense of the concept, focusing exclusively on women in to getting an equal playing field brews more inequality then it cures, the US is a prime example of that.

When you talk about "Lack of opportunities" the problem is not gendered as both male and females are affected from it, same goes with other problems such as domestic violence, sexual assault etc etc. So, if the problem is not gender specific to begin with, why is it that we always talk about the solutions in terms of women only, which is quite ironic because the people doing it usually claim to be champions of equality.
 
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Too many people write articles like this full of generalisations and I think they do more harm than good. The role of a woman in Pakistani society varies from woman to woman, it's different in every household and it changes with time.There are some patterns which can be identified but all in all different socioeconomic need to be considered on a case by case basis to do what is right for women.

I remember when I was much younger, I was so glad I was a boy. At family gatherings, I would wonder why the uncle’s parents always lived at home with their son but the aunty was on her own. I realised that after marriage, women would move in with their husband’s family. I was really attached to my parents and felt relieved that in the future, I wouldn’t have to move away to some girl’s house.

It's a shame that this childish thinking still influences his ideas today. For millenia mankind has not had the resources to sustain their lifestyle without working. When people have gotten older and not been able to work they've relied upon their male heirs to support them. This has been a universal truth. It's only in recent times that society has developed the wealth to be able to "save" for old age, and even then in a country like Pakistan, that is a luxury most cannot afford. Why has society looked to it's male heirs to provide for it, because the male has always been the breadwinner in society. There are examples of women in the workplace, but this is usually women of privilege, or slave women.


I grew up in a reasonably liberal household but such social constructs still managed to reach me through school teachers, religious teachers and the odd extended family member. Men were meant to go out and make money, women were meant to take care of the house; men made decisions, women made dinner.

There is nothing wrong with a woman making dinner. No matter where you stand on womens rights etc, there is nothing wrong with a woman making dinner. I don't like the way it's portrayed as a negative. If my wife made more money than I did, i'd stay at home making dinner, as it happens that isn't the case.


Recently, Punjab Higher Education Minister Syed Raza Ali Gillani suggested that government institutions would allot five marks to hijab-wearing students in a bid to promote the practice. This reminded me of all times men felt the need to force rules and ideas upon women. I was glad to see the backlash that ended up making this such a short-lived story but it is still proof that the problem is alive and kicking.

The average girl in Pakistan is extremely oppressed. She is taught that she is a representation of honour. She is taught to be shy and quiet. Her purpose in life is to get married and run a home, and many times there’s a conversation between families as to whether she would be ‘allowed’ to work, just to check if her husband would be comfortable with it.

The point of an education is to equip an individual with a sense of independence and liberty. These are absolutely worthless if in the same premises, we teach women that they are only meant to fill certain roles. I recently heard a lecture on the number one trending YouTube channel in Pakistan, ‘Bolti Kitabain’(Talking books), that the purpose of a women’s education is to make her a good person; not so that she can work … go figure.

Of course, we can’t hide away from the fact that there is a strong religious association to this entire problem and with our culture so strongly tied to religion, which is taboo to even question, therein lies the problem.

I was always taught a verse in the Quran, ‘there is no compulsion in religion’ (Surah 2, verse 256). But this verse is falling onto deaf ears. So, let’s say we weren’t taught it. The problem is that men feel the need to control women and use religion as a proxy and women refuse to challenge it. To get out of this problem, egalitarian men, women and scholars need to stand up for oppressed women and girls.

When we have discussions about women rights, women need to be present at those panels and TV shows in the majority. We have repeatedly been brainwashed by being told that women should do a certain thing. It’s time we stand up and constantly remind society and people like Gillani that a man should not speak on behalf a woman but should empower her speak up and make decisions for herself.

It is hypocritical to be offended when France bans the veil and be proud when Pakistan enforces the hijab. Every human being deserves a choice in what to wear, what to study, when to get married, whether to get married at all and what to do with his or her life.

This oppression on women in Pakistan is justified through convenient interpretations of the Holy Scripture, but everyone seems to forget that the Holy Prophet (pbuh)’s wife Hazrat Khadijah was a successful merchant with numerous trade caravans, without the help of a man. She was a strong independent woman who approached the Holy Prophet (pbuh) for marriage and then supported him. How do we react today in Pakistan when a wife supports the husband? We can’t even picture it because the gender roles we teach don’t subscribe to such ideas.
The Way I See It
In Pakistan, men make decisions and women make dinner
By Abu Bakr Agha Published: March 25, 2017

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I remember when I was much younger and observing society around me, I was so glad I was a boy.
Inequality between men and women is not something exclusive to the subcontinent or the Middle East. For instance, while allowed to participate in the army, women are still not permitted to serve in frontline combat in the United Kingdom, Turkey, and Slovakia. In the United States, and other developed nations, women are consistently overlooked for promotions and paid less for doing the same work their male counterparts do.

In this part of the world, however, we make a clear distinction. Gender inequality is far from over in the developed world but at least mainstream statements that promote equality and denounce gender bias are reassuring that the philosophy of the movement is headed in the right direction. In Pakistan, however, we are doing the exact opposite.

I remember when I was much younger, I was so glad I was a boy. At family gatherings, I would wonder why the uncle’s parents always lived at home with their son but the aunty was on her own. I realised that after marriage, women would move in with their husband’s family. I was really attached to my parents and felt relieved that in the future, I wouldn’t have to move away to some girl’s house.

I grew up in a reasonably liberal household but such social constructs still managed to reach me through school teachers, religious teachers and the odd extended family member. Men were meant to go out and make money, women were meant to take care of the house; men made decisions, women made dinner.

My own mother worked, made financial decisions, paid bills and did whatever she felt like the same way my father did; so, perhaps I looked at other ideas of gender as a story or metaphor. However, strong gender roles are forced upon those less fortunate than myself. In Pakistan, people in positions of authority, who children are taught to respect, continuously highlight differences between men and women, often selling short a woman’s ambition, her individuality and her worth as a human being. And often, these authority figures are not just teachers but parents as well.

When I was in America, I met a girl from India. I remember one day she was running late to meet one of her guy friends, which eventually lead to her having a panic attack. I calmed her down and asked what the problem was. She said she was afraid of her friend’s reaction at being late. I asked how she could be so afraid of someone she called a friend. She explained she didn’t want to disappoint him or make him angry, because he would always lose his temper when she didn’t listen to him or was late.

This was clearly a toxic friendship. I eventually helped her get out of it, but she never had an answer or explanation for the way she acted. Turns out, from a very young age, her mother always told her women should be subservient to men. In her subconscious mind, men had an elevated status to the point where she was willingly acting like a slave to a boy who perhaps, by the same logic, may have felt superior as a result of his own upbringing.

This is how dangerous our South Asian culture can be when it comes to raising our children. Another friend told me that some of her Pakistani and Indian friends were depressed at how subservient they had become to their husbands or boyfriends.

Recently, Punjab Higher Education Minister Syed Raza Ali Gillani suggested that government institutions would allot five marks to hijab-wearing students in a bid to promote the practice. This reminded me of all times men felt the need to force rules and ideas upon women. I was glad to see the backlash that ended up making this such a short-lived story but it is still proof that the problem is alive and kicking.

That was a stupid moment. I also am glad it got the public backlash it did. State and religion have no business mixing like that.

The average girl in Pakistan is extremely oppressed. She is taught that she is a representation of honour. She is taught to be shy and quiet. Her purpose in life is to get married and run a home, and many times there’s a conversation between families as to whether she would be ‘allowed’ to work, just to check if her husband would be comfortable with it.

Bullshit. For a start, what are you taking an average of? Is there a scale of womanhood you measure you declare what an average woman is? We have a largely illiterate population, if your wife was illiterate, would you trust her to make the decisions of the household? Does this hold through where the woman is more educated than the man? Would more women be in the workplace if there were more jobs in the first place? When I travel to Pakistan I see an equal number of women to men begging professionally. Are those people average? There is no doubt there are more men at work than women, but what are the factors that influence that? In rural Pakistan who families, women included tend to the fields, these people have to in order to survive. If it's not in an air conditioned building, does it still count as work?

The point of an education is to equip an individual with a sense of independence and liberty.

Maybe that's the point of an education if you're a burger and daddy will take care of all your and your kids financial needs but most of us get an education so we can learn the skills to survive in the world and to earn money.

Of course, we can’t hide away from the fact that there is a strong religious association to this entire problem and with our culture so strongly tied to religion, which is taboo to even question, therein lies the problem.I was always taught a verse in the Quran, ‘there is no compulsion in religion’ (Surah 2, verse 256). But this verse is falling onto deaf ears. So, let’s say we weren’t taught it.

No there isn't. Iran is an ultra conservative Muslim society and has a higher number of females in education than males. It also has a near equal split of women in the workplace. The first wife of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) ran her own business. Hazrat Aisha (ra) taught religion publically. These women were the closest people to the source of our religion yet none of them had their career options hampered because of it.

When we have discussions about women rights, women need to be present at those panels and TV shows in the majority. We have repeatedly been brainwashed by being told that women should do a certain thing. It’s time we stand up and constantly remind society and people like Gillani that a man should not speak on behalf a woman but should empower her speak up and make decisions for herself.

What right does a rich, politically connected liberal woman have to represent the views of tens of millions of uneducated, poor conservative women? Who will give a voice to these women?

It is hypocritical to be offended when France bans the veil and be proud when Pakistan enforces the hijab.

You're a hypocrite for failing to point out that France does ban the veil yet Pakistan does not enforce the hijab. A woman can go out on the streets of Pakistan wearing whatever she feels comfortable in without any interference from the state. If an oppresive family member is making her dress one way or another, that is an entirely seperate issue, it's called domestic abuse.
 
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Pardon me as a non-Pakistani for commenting on Pakistani affairs. And I don't mean to pander or dispense patronizing advice either.

But unless you elevate the status of women by educating them and giving them actual jobs (meaning all women from the underclass and not just a few upper-class 'feminist' types), then your population will keep increasing and your state of health (as well as HDI) will keep dropping. Women being dependent on men for wages, livelihoods are a bad precedent.

The sole pillar of Bangladesh' success in industrialization (relatively speaking) in recent times is due to this one single factor, putting women to work. The side bonus was a reduction in the fertility rate, dropping to just above replacement rate.

Being a practicing Muslim has little to do with it.
 
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