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In first winter stay, 1,800 Chinese troops camping at Doklam

I thought the slumdogs were gonna return after being kicked in the a*s, at least that's they have been saying here. Are the 1800 troops that scary that they decided not to try that stupid move again? :rofl:

The outcome was exactly as I predicted. Instead of extending roads now, we will build helipads, bunkers and etc. Next we will bring in howitzers.:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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Modi deserves a warm Modi hug for this accomplishment.

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I have seen a lot of Indians trying to spin this as an Indian victory, but none have been successful so far. The facts on the ground are just so overwhelming. :P
I am not claiming its an Indian victory

Its Colonel Yue, who claims so.

In my opinion since pdf Chinese claim entire Doklam is under PLA control.

Batang La, Doka La pass and Gymochen must also be under PLA control

and Chinese Govt whining about Indian Bunkers in Batang La, and recent IA-PLA standoff in Doka La must have never happened as it doesn't support pdf Chinese narrative of whole thing being a Chinese victory.

It must all be a PLA victory.

I guess pdf Chinese are more reliable than any news, ex-PLA colonel's opinions , given their amazing distorted sense of reality and self-entitlement.
 
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I am not claiming its an Indian victory

Its Colonel Yue, who claims so.

In my opinion since pdf Chinese claim entire Doklam is under PLA control.

Batang La, Doka La pass and Gymochen must also be under PLA control

and Chinese Govt whining about Indian Bunkers in Batang La, and recent IA-PLA standoff in Doka La must have never happened as it doesn't support pdf Chinese narrative of whole thing being a Chinese victory.

It must all be a PLA victory.

I guess pdf Chinese are more reliable than any news, ex-PLA colonel's opinions , given their amazing distorted sense of reality and self-entitlement.
Colonel Yue is a military guy, so basically a hawk, the only true victory for him is the death of Indian soldiers, you want that?

Batang La, Doka La are border passes, how do you control border passes, do you control your neighbors fence?:rofl:
As for Gyomochen/Gipmochi, it's the highest peak and currently nobody is based there.

Check your source of when they whined? 2007, 4 years after we recognize the annexation of Sikkim, you went and build bunkers next to our border, we have right to complain, but can we do anything? No right, it's within your borders, did we send in few hundred troops to sing kumbaya like what you did?:lol:

It's not PLA victory, it's a win win, we postpone road construction, in return we occupy Doklam.:china:
 
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Colonel Yue is a military guy, so basically a hawk, the only true victory for him is the death of Indian soldiers, you want that?
Yup you are right, we have colonel Yue on record stating in the newspaper "only true victory is the death of Indian soldiers" and it is among the statements he made:

“The event – where Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi are supposed to meet – has offered a way out of this unexpectedly tense stand-off, although there are different interpretations as to which side actually compromised more,” said Yue Gang

“Despite Beijing’s deliberate ambiguity, China has apparently made substantial concessions in order to end the dispute,” Yue said.

“India has got exactly what it has wanted. It was a humiliating defeat for China to cave in to pressure from India despite all the tough talk,” Yue said.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...-learned-tense-china-india-border-row-it-will
It's not PLA victory, it's a win win, we postpone road construction, in return we occupy Doklam.:china:
So occupation of Doklam by PLA has not yet happened?
 
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Yup you are right, we have colonel Yue on record stating in the newspaper "only true victory is the death of Indian soldiers" and it is among the statements he made:

“The event – where Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi are supposed to meet – has offered a way out of this unexpectedly tense stand-off, although there are different interpretations as to which side actually compromised more,” said Yue Gang

“Despite Beijing’s deliberate ambiguity, China has apparently made substantial concessions in order to end the dispute,” Yue said.

“India has got exactly what it has wanted. It was a humiliating defeat for China to cave in to pressure from India despite all the tough talk,” Yue said.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...-learned-tense-china-india-border-row-it-will

So occupation of Doklam by PLA has not yet happened?

Surprisingly, you keep insisting on a simple comment by a ex PLA colonel whom I doubt know much about current situation. He make the comment in Aug when outcome is still not out yet.

Is that all you can to prove Indian victory? :enjoy:
 
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I guess pdf Chinese are more reliable than any news, ex-PLA colonel's opinions , given their amazing distorted sense of reality and self-entitlement.

Hmm... "given their amazing distorted sense of reality"...

Do you know who has a distorted sense of reality here? I guess self-awareness isn't one of your strong points? :P
 
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You mean whatever floats our boat

Since you too believe in pdf Chinese delusions in regard to Doklam

Alright so you think that the thousands of Chinese troops in Donglang, the permanent garrisons, and the multiple major roads that have been built there... you think all of these are "delusions of PDF Chinese"?

Do you think we hacked US satellites to change the satellite images?

Or are you saying India does not officially consider Donglang to be Bhutan's territory? Or that India does not have a mutual defence treaty with Bhutan?
 
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Yup you are right, we have colonel Yue on record stating in the newspaper "only true victory is the death of Indian soldiers" and it is among the statements he made:

“The event – where Chinese President Xi Jinping and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi are supposed to meet – has offered a way out of this unexpectedly tense stand-off, although there are different interpretations as to which side actually compromised more,” said Yue Gang

“Despite Beijing’s deliberate ambiguity, China has apparently made substantial concessions in order to end the dispute,” Yue said.

“India has got exactly what it has wanted. It was a humiliating defeat for China to cave in to pressure from India despite all the tough talk,” Yue said.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...-learned-tense-china-india-border-row-it-will

So occupation of Doklam by PLA has not yet happened?
Well what other way to ensure 'victory' to a military man who just witnessed few hundred foreigners invade their soil? :enjoy:

He did not say wrongly when he said we gave concessions, which was the road postponement. By right, we shouldn't even give such a concession. Anybody trespassing should have been shot. But do you really want war?

In Mr. Yue perspective, India got what it wanted, but in reality, 1800 soldiers are permanently entrenched there now with 2 helipads, bunkers and stores. So did India really get what it wanted? Had India used diplomatic channels, things would have been different. They won't be soldiers, there would have been patrols, for the past few years, China had been trying to be friends with India but it seems India is just too paranoid of everything we do.

You need to understand what is the purpose of a road, roads are instrument of occupation. So what just happened? Instead of being concerned about Chinese occupation, you are concerned with the road. This is the typical myopic Indian view. They cannot see that the reason why they don't want the road in the first place was because they didn't want Chinese to occupy Doklam. You get the irony?

So you are justifying that India is 'victorious' based on the views of one frustrated ex-military man? You need to change your perspective, this was a win-win situation, India think they won, China think they won. What a beauty right? You get road postponement, we get territory, the only loser is Bhutan and your promise to them.:rofl::rofl::rofl:

It depends how you define occupation, it it means territory with troops permanently stationed on it, yes we just occupied it. If you meant periodic patrols to exert sovereignty, it would also be true. Depends how you look at it.
 
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Yup, all correct

I will consider a pdf Chinese's interpretation of colonel Yue over his statements
You need to have critical thought, draw your own conclusions, not just based on Mr. Yue's frustration. What is the reality now? The reality is Indians retreated and Chinese built bunkers and helipads. So you stopped us from building roads and in return we build helipads? What if we build air bases next, missile bases, this was the same point i was explaining a few months back. It came true isn't it?

What was India's concern in the first place? It was the control of Doklam plateau, the highest flat piece of real estate facing Siliguri, now under Chinese occupation. That plateau is big enough to house ALOT of artillery and missiles, we don't even need to enter the plains to fight, as long as we take out the air bases in the NE, we can basically bombard that neck and cut off the whole NE.

While India was content with a tactical win at Doklam, China has shown the guile and determination to win at the strategic level. It didn't make sense for India to win the battle at the standoff site, only to lose the war over the Doklam Plateau's future.

Brahma sums it up best!
 
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@sinait
I acknowledge tensions are high as many pdf Chinese delusions on Doklam seems to be crumbling.

But make an effort to not to use such language. Do not give into your primitive Han-chauvinistic instincts as mods here consider such people as creatures not worthy of opinion i.e animals


Yup India retreated from Doka La and Batang la. and China built helipads, bunkers etc over there.

Btw you didn't answer my previous question here

In first winter stay, 1,800 Chinese troops camping at Doklam
What question bhai? I already explained to you Batang La and Doka La are border passes, you don't need to retreat from it, it's a fence, understand genius? Indians have the habit of calling the area around the vicinity of Doka La pass as Doka La, so when I said they retreated back to Doka La, it meant they went back to their bases after that pass in an area known to them as Doka La. We call the area after the pass as Dong Lang. As I explained earlier on Batang La, the bunkers are within Indian borders, we have the right to protest because we had just recognized Sikkim in 2003 and 4 years later India built bunkers near the border. Who wouldn't be pissed? But can we come into your territory and sing kumbaya? No, because it's a demarcated border, not a disputed one.

If you are asking about occupation, It depends how you define occupation, it it means territory with troops permanently stationed on it, yes we just occupied it. If you meant periodic patrols to exert sovereignty, it would also be true. Depends how you look at it.
 
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