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In China, Desperate Patients Smuggle Drugs. Or Make Their Own.

Despite health insurance, terminally ill patients have to hunt around the world and on the internet for ways to stay alive.

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Mr. Zhang has no medical experience and no background in making drugs professionally. He did this out of desperation. His mother suffered from lung cancer and required expensive drugs that China’s ambitious but troubled health care system couldn’t provide.

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To stay alive, many sick people in China — and the people who love them — break the law. Online marketplaces are filled with illegal pharmaceuticals. Dealers run underground pharmacies. In some cases, cancer patients and their families make the drugs themselves, finding the ingredients and the instructions online.

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Lower prices send Americans to Canada and Mexico looking for the medicines they need. Patients from Russia to Britain desperately hunt for drugs through online “buyers’ clubs” — networks that scour the world for cheaper generic medicines.

In China, the public has become increasingly concerned about access to drugs, putting pressure on the leadership. This summer’s box-office hit “Dying to Survive” was based on the real-life story of a Chinese leukemia patient who ran a buyers’ club, smuggling generic drugs from India to save himself and others. It was almost universally lauded for shedding light on the difficulties of getting cancer drugs in China.

The movie’s popularity prompted Premier Li Keqiang to call for speeding up price cuts for the medication. China’s growing affluence has led to greater expectations among its people. The Communist Party’s grip on power depends heavily on providing improved opportunities for the public, including better health care.

“I don’t know whether they can do that,” said Zhou Jun, the executive director of the U.S.-China Healthcare Cooperation Program in Beijing, a group that fosters closer working relations between the countries. “It’s going to be a challenge.” (Mr. Zhou died of cancer several months after speaking to The New York Times.)

more innovative, less costly pharmaceuticals to combat life-threatening diseases.

Still, the agency remains short staffed. China had roughly 600 reviewers at the end of 2016, compared with thousands in the United States.

Once approved, the drugs have to qualify for coverage under one of China’s insurance plans. That means earning a spot on the National Reimbursement Drug List — and that can take years. Beijing added 36 drugs to the list in 2017 and 17 this year. The last update was in 2009.

When the drugs do arrive, many Chinese patients, like Yao Xianghua, can’t afford them, even if they have government coverage.

A petite former elementary school teacher with blunt bangs, Ms. Yao had lung cancer that didn’t respond to surgery or a form of treatment called biotherapy. She was 68 in 2011, when the cancer was first diagnosed, and she felt she was too old to undergo chemotherapy and radiation.


“I give up,” she told her son, Zhang Zhejun. “I’m resigned to my fate.”

Her doctor prescribed Iressa, a drug made by AstraZeneca that keeps cancer cells from multiplying. The drug had been added to the reimbursement drug list after AstraZeneca agreed to halve the price to just under $1,000 a month.

It was still too expensive. Ms. Yao was covered by China’s “rural cooperative medical scheme,” which provides only modest benefits compared with the insurance for urban residents. She received a monthly pension of $460. Her son said the rural scheme at that time did not pay for imported drugs.

Mr. Zhang vowed to save her. He quit a decent-paying job and moved in with his parents in a barely furnished apartment in Jinzhou, a largely industrial and heavily polluted city.

Mr. Zhang discovered that India made a cheaper, generic version of Iressa. It worked for a while. But Ms. Yao developed a resistance to it after about nine months. Mr. Zhang needed alternatives.

He went online.

Do-It-Yourself Drugs
China in recent years has become the world’s largest home of internet users. Many Chinese now shop almost exclusively in internet bazaars that offer everything from groceries and hot meals to jewelry and cars.

They can also buy pharmaceuticals — even the raw ingredients to illegally make drugs themselves.

Many start on forums devoted to patients and their loved ones when they can’t get answers anymore. The two most popular are “I Want Miracles,” which is dedicated to helping people with lung cancer, and “Dances With Cancer.” The forums combined have just over 440,000 members.

“This is the current state of health care in China,” said Chen Yun, who runs “I Want Miracles.” “Every doctor is just too busy, and there’s no way that they can explain many things to you clearly. But if you want to figure it out, you just have to learn by yourself.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/11/business/china-drugs-smuggled-homemade.html
 
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So China makes everything cheaper except essential drugs ?
Why not buy medicines from India, we export around 10 b usd annually to USA from FDA approved plants ?
Maybe they dont want the very sick to survive ?
Might be a deliberate govt policy.
 
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They care least about their people. Modern china is build on loote land of innocent people and enslaving them to work day and night without a least respect for human right. To expect anything good from this dictatorial regime is just like fooling yourself.
 
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So China makes everything cheaper except essential drugs ?
Why not buy medicines from India, we export around 10 b usd annually to USA from FDA approved plants ?
Maybe they dont want the very sick to survive ?
Might be a deliberate govt policy.
You do know your drugs use CHINESE APIs right? It's not hard making generics, the reason we don't do it is because of approval process in China, unlike India where any workshop can cook a drug without any approval concenrs. Didn't you read, after using 'indian generics' she developed resistance to the very same drug.

They care least about their people. Modern china is build on loote land of innocent people and enslaving them to work day and night without a least respect for human right. To expect anything good from this dictatorial regime is just like fooling yourself.
EVery capitalistic country is built based on the exploitation of labor in its intial stage. Care to explain the millions of slum kids working in construction sites? Indians are fighting for a piece of the 'enslaving' sweatshop jobs now bhai. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: OO wait for a third of the salary. That's the value of an Indian worker. =)

Indian lecturing me on the value of human live, bhai, first learn to give humans some dignity by shitting in a toilet and feeding those slumdogs.:lol:
 
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You do know your drugs use CHINESE APIs right? It's not hard making generics, the reason we don't do it is because of approval process in China, unlike India where any workshop can cook a drug without any approval concenrs. Didn't you read, after using 'indian generics' she developed resistance to the very same drug.


EVery capitalistic country is built based on the exploitation of labor in its intial stage. Care to explain the millions of slum kids working in construction sites? Indians are fighting for a piece of the 'enslaving' sweatshop jobs now bhai. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Indian lecturing me on the value of human live, bhai, first learn to give humans some dignity by shitting in a toilet and feeding those slumdogs.:lol:
Yes Chinese who dont trust their local milk powder and use only imported milk powder are lecturing Indians on their medicine supplies, which are safely used by Americans ? Haha.
Overuse of any medicine can lead to resistance but that's too much knowledge for a Chinese educated guy.
 
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Yes Chinese who dont trust their local milk powder and use only imported milk powder are lecturing Indians on their medicine supplies, which are safely used by Americans ? Haha.
Overuse of any medicine can lead to resistance but that's too much knowledge for a Chinese educated guy.
You do know the 'milk' powder was also made by foreign brands right? Nowadays China uses new technology to track the melamine in Milk. In India, people do it too, just that you guys don't know about it since so many babies die of malnutrition, the value of an Indian baby is negligible in the eyes of the world, no one reports.

Need me to start on the ranbaxy scandal in the US, with glass contamination. Making generics is not rocket science, making APIs, the key ingredients is, that's why you need to import from us. =)
 
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You do know the 'milk' powder was also made by foreign brands right? Nowadays China uses new technology to track the melamine in Milk. In India, people do it too, just that you guys don't know about it since so many babies die of malnutrition, the value of an Indian baby is negligible in the eyes of the world, no one reports.

Need me to start on the ranbaxy scandal in the US, with glass contamination. Making generics is not rocket science, making APIs, the key ingredients is, that's why you need to import from us. =)
China makes cheaper APIs That's it. You are a unique person who thinks raw material production is more complex than finished products.
Its fascinating that China shamelessly copies everything in the world except what their citizens require to survive. Must be a form of population control for which the Chinese are well known.
 
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China makes cheaper APIs That's it. You are a unique person who thinks raw material production is more complex than finished products.
Its fascinating that China shamelessly copies everything in the world except what their citizens require to survive. Must be a form of population control for which the Chinese are well known.

The moment you say this, I know you are ignorant of the types of APIs and the inability of India to produce it. Whatever makes you happy dude.

Well we don't produce unapproved generics, we don't want to kill our people with Indian generics. =)
 
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EVery capitalistic country is built based on the exploitation of labor in its intial stage. Care to explain the millions of slum kids working in construction sites? Indians are fighting for a piece of the 'enslaving' sweatshop jobs now bhai. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: OO wait for a third of the salary. That's the value of an Indian worker. =)

Indian lecturing me on the value of human live, bhai, first learn to give humans some dignity by shitting in a toilet and feeding those slumdogs.:lol:

First of all, No millions of children work as child labor in India. Second, while some individual exploits other individual is a different matter and government exploits people as a state policy is a different netter. In india, anybody can go to court and get a a fair judgement. Our government has no right to take the land of farmers and make them landless. Many of our infrastructure projects have delayed due to this and has adversely affected our development but it is a cost we pay for being a democracy and having and enjoying civil rights and freedom. We can tell whatever we want to our PM. it is not like in china where nobody can afford to say anything to Xi or communist party. It is utter foolishness on part of chinese to compare vibrant democracies with totalitarian regime like china.
 
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First of all, No millions of children work as child labor in India. Second, while some individual exploits other individual is a different matter and government exploits people as a state policy is a different netter. In india, anybody can go to court and get a a fair judgement. Our government has no right to take the land of farmers and make them landless. Many of our infrastructure projects have delayed due to this and has adversely affected our development but it is a cost we pay for being a democracy and having and enjoying civil rights and freedom. We can tell whatever we want to our PM. it is not like in china where nobody can afford to say anything to Xi or communist party. It is utter foolishness on part of chinese to compare vibrant democracies with totalitarian regime like china.
Close yur eyes, pretend nothing is happening.:enjoy:
https://www.telegraphindia.com/opinion/the-nightmare-of-child-labour-in-sivakasi/cid/1677584
While official sources maintain that the total number of child workers would be in the region of 20 million, independent sources claim that 50 million, if not more, would be a more accurate figure.
 
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I know very well what sort of people you are. You will site one example and try to build a blanket argument. While something is wrong through out china, you will try to show it as a local problem.
in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. Have you been to China, come to my country one day, and you will be enlightened and realize just how f up India is. =).

Do you know the compensation laws in China? Do you know there is no FREEHOLD land in China? All land is owned and distributed by the state, previously some local governments forced people to move by paying them peanuts and forced them to relocate to other place because legally it belongs to the local government. It created alot of resentment, and the government changed the compensation plan to include compensation in the same area, you go to a few cities now, plenty of millionaires due to the new plan, and now they are waiting for the government to 'confiscate'their land. I am lazy to explain to you how inefficient and useless the GOI is, you may think CPC is a monster with now brains, but it is actually an efficient thinking machinery, sure they are leaks and abuses and corruption, no system is perfect, but the fact remains, it has delivered what the people need. I have been to Bangalore, Delhi and Chennai, mind you , these are BIG CITIES in India, my so called 4 star hotel uses water delivered by trucks, this is something I cannot understand, even smaller tier 3 cities have treated piped water. The pollution in 'green' banglaore is worse than our cities, freaking lake catches fire. I will stop here, just come to China, take the HSR, stop in a few smaller cities if you think only Shanghai is gr8, you will change you perspective.
 
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All land is owned and distributed by the state, previously some local governments forced people to move by paying them peanuts and forced them to relocate to other place because legally it belongs to the local government.

This is the true face of china and thanks for accepting it.
you may think CPC is a monster with now brains, but it is actually an efficient thinking machinery,
Ofcourse they are efficient. If you have total power and you are ruthless, you will always be efficient. You can take away anything from people make them slave and make them to do the work. In such total power scenario, efficiency is bound to come.
these are BIG CITIES in India, my so called 4 star hotel uses water delivered by trucks, this is something I cannot understand, even smaller tier 3 cities have treated piped water.

I have never seen this in India. From where did you see this?
I will stop here, just come to China, take the HSR, stop in a few smaller cities if you think only Shanghai is gr8, you will change you perspective.

I have no plan to come to china because of food problem but I have heard the experience of china from many people in person and from the net.
 
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The moment you say this, I know you are ignorant of the types of APIs and the inability of India to produce it. Whatever makes you happy dude.

Well we don't produce unapproved generics, we don't want to kill our people with Indian generics. =)
Chinese milk powder is enough to kill the Chinese , no medicine required.
 
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Chinese milk powder is enough to kill the Chinese , no medicine required.
And diarrhea is enough to kill Indians, no bullets required.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

This is the true face of china and thanks for accepting it.

Ofcourse they are efficient. If you have total power and you are ruthless, you will always be efficient. You can take away anything from people make them slave and make them to do the work. In such total power scenario, efficiency is bound to come.


I have never seen this in India. From where did you see this?


I have no plan to come to china because of food problem but I have heard the experience of china from many people in person and from the net.
Prasad, I reckon you are sane and educated. You can't really use a gun and force Chinese workers to work in factories bhai. These workers are paid 3-4 times higher than your average slumdog. They eat and live better lives. The reason we are efficient is because we are Chinese and you are Indian, your culture admires talking, we admire people who do the work. That's the difference. You need to come here to see the true face of China, you can get vegetarian food easily too. Open up your mind.

You don't know the water crisis in Bangalore? Or you are trying to remain blind? I can cite all the abuses of the Indian government and the kangaroo courts in India. So? The results are clear, you are a turdworld country, people are starving, government corrupted, babies are dying due to diarrhea. I rest my case.
 
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