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In bluntest ever remarks, US talks up India to counter China - Times of India

http://toi.in/r_bsPZ/a29mj

Calling the United States and India "two bookends of stability on either side of the globe," the Trump administration on Wednesday bluntly proposed that Washington and New Delhi work together in the Indo-Pacific region to counter the disruptive force that China has become.

In a stunning new dynamic unveiled by Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Trump's America ditched the pussy-footing and kid glove treatment of China that characterized the previous Obama and Bush administrations as they sought to woo New Delhi to counter Beijing's growing assertiveness in the region and beyond.

"The United States seeks constructive relations with China. But we won't shrink from China's challenges to the rules-based order, or where China subverts the sovereignty of neighboring countries, and disadvantages the US and our friends." Tillerson said in a remarkably candid address to the Washington think-tank, adding, "In this period of uncertainty and angst, India needs a reliable partner on the world stage. I want to make clear: with our shared values and vision for global stability, peace and prosperity, the United States is that partner."

In an unprecedented criticism of Beijing and its methods while juxtaposing and contrasting it with New Delhi's outlook, Tillerson said China, while rising alongside India, "has done so less responsibly, at times undermining the international, rules-based order - even as countries like India operate within a framework that protects other nations' sovereignty."

"China's provocative actions in the South China Sea directly challenge the international law and norms that the United States and India both stand for," he added, drawing New Delhi into the strategic matrix in the Asia-Pacific region where a rising and assertive Beijing has begun to challenge Washington's decades long dominance even as New Delhi has largely stood by the sidelines.
The US Secretary of State's remarks came hours after President Trump publicly and symbolically threw his support behind India by hosting a Diwali event at the White House, while rhapsodizing about India, Indian-Americans, Hindu-Americans, and Prime Minister Modi.

Tillerson gave the sentiments policy heft with an India outreach that left no one in doubt which way the Trump administration is leaning towards in the Asia-Pacific region that is now increasingly being referred to as the Indo-Pacific region.

"The world's center of gravity is shifting to the heart of the Indo-Pacific. The United States and India - with our shared goals of peace, security, freedom of navigation, and a free and open architecture - must serve as the eastern and western beacons of the Indo-Pacific. As the port and starboard lights between which the region can reach its greatest and best potential," Tillerson said .

"We need to collaborate with India to ensure that the Indo-Pacific is increasingly a place of peace, stability, and growing prosperity - so that it does not become a region of disorder, conflict and predatory economics," he added.
Tillerson also issued a blunt warning to China's client state Pakistan, saying "states that use terror as an instrument of policy will only see their international reputation and standing diminish" and "it is the obligation, not choice, of every civilized nation to combat the scourge of terrorism" and the United States and India are leading that regional effort together.

"We expect Pakistan to take decisive action against terrorist groups based there that threaten its own people and the broader region. In doing so, Pakistan furthers stability and peace for itself and its neighbors, and improves its own international standing," he added.

In a transparent smackdown of Pakistan toxic religion-based extremism and critics who have worried if New Delhi is going the same route, Tillerson said India can also serve as a clear example of a diverse, dynamic, and pluralistic country to others - a flourishing democracy in the age of global terrorism.

"The sub-continent is the birthplace of four of the world's major religions, and India's diverse population includes more than 170 million Muslims - the third-largest Muslim population in the world. Yet we do not encounter significant numbers of Indian Muslims among foreign fighters in the ranks of ISIS or other terror groups, which speaks to the strengths of Indian society," Tillerson said, echoing the Bush administration, which first made such an observation, while implicitly rejecting the apprehensions of some liberal sections who fear that New Delhi is controlled by a Hindu nationalist government.

But it was Tillerson's upfront remarks setting up India to counter China - coming just ahead of President Trump's trip to Asia next month to attend the APEC and Asean meetings (Tillerson himself will be visiting India later this month), that caught the eyes and ears of the diplomatic community and world capitals.

"We are already capturing the benefits of our important trilateral engagement between the US, India, and Japan. As we look ahead, there is room to invite others, including Australia, to build on shared objectives and initiatives," Tillerson said, setting up the roadmap for Trump's Asia visit next month.

(Note - I personally don't think this will go anywhere)
 
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I don't think anyone in India is stupid enough to see America for what it truly is. Mind you that's never stopped our lot jumping into bed with them.
 
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I don't think anyone in India is stupid enough to see America for what it truly is. Mind you that's never stopped our lot jumping into bed with them.
India loves the hype. All American need to do is sweet talk the Indian , telling them India is the next superpower in 20 years. The Indian will fell for the hype and do whatever American bidding...

Anyway, India dont have the national strength to counter China. Even there is another India country combine, still not able to take on China.
 
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India loves the hype. All American need to do is sweet talk the Indian , telling them India is the next superpower in 20 years. The Indian will fell for the hype and do whatever American bidding...

Anyway, India dont have the national strength to counter China. Even there is another India country combine, still not able to take on China.


Let's have a discussion here. Why do you think India doesn't have the national strength?

I think we already anticipated India's future role as US's lap dog

Why is there this necessity to abuse? Every country needs to take its own interests into account.

China itself has formed major unsaid alliances with various countries.

After Sino-Soviet Split, it partnered with US to essentially contain Soviets.

If India is all there is left for the US to contain China with, then it is a good news.

He did refer to other countries including Japan, Australia.

Vietnam obviously can fit in, so can other countries like Korea.
 
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No countries on this planet can hold back China, so let them have fun thinking they could.
 
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India loves the hype. All American need to do is sweet talk the Indian , telling them India is the next superpower in 20 years. The Indian will fell for the hype and do whatever American bidding...

Anyway, India dont have the national strength to counter China. Even there is another India country combine, still not able to take on China.

Absolutely they are utter suckers for sweet talk

Give them some shite about culture, hindu hindu, ancient, democracy and they the indians will swoon like a teenage girl when the captain of the football team gives her wink and tells her, her braces compliment her spotty face perfectly.

They want to feel important and the Americans know how to pull their strings


The U.S knows China is a rising power and they want india to be the local lackey to confront China
 
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No countries on this planet can hold back China, so let them have fun thinking they could.

I'm sure no country alone can do it, but if many countries do it together there can be major trouble.

I hope my Chinese friends understand that I speak only out of good intentions.

My motive is to always promote trust and friendship.

But, Chinese attitude towards India is a major impediment.

Remember, even Soviet Union was essentially caged successfully by the United States, via countries on its peripheries.

I want only good for China, but China must also respect India.
 
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I'm sure no country alone can do it, but if many countries do it together there can be major trouble.

I hope my Chinese friends understand that I speak only out of good intentions.

My motive is to always promote trust and friendship.

But, Chinese attitude towards India is a major impediment.

Remember, even Soviet Union was essentially caged successfully by the United States, via countries on its peripheries.

I want only good for China, but China must also respect India.
Soviet Union was very weak economic wise comparing to the west, the hugely unbalanced development will surely collapse but that is not the case for China . India is alienating itself from almost all neighbors by sucking up to US, which is hated by every country in India's immediate neighborhood and Russia. that's a pretty dumb move . The west just wants to use you and do some dirty work for them.
 
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Soviet Union was very weak economic wise comparing to the west, the hugely unbalanced development will surely collapse but that is not the case for China . India is alienating itself from almost all neighbors by sucking up to US, which is hated by every country in India's immediate neighborhood and Russia. that's a pretty dumb move . The west just wants to use you and do some dirty work for them.

  1. Soviet Union may be smaller in economy, but it was much larger in military, political, landmass, and ideological terms. Communism had a huge following even within the heart of the most capitalist countries in the world.
  2. India is not sucking up to US. India is a very proud nation, for better or worse. And making it feel humiliated is a strategy to essentially make India an adversary.
  3. It is factually incorrect that India's neighbors hate US.
  4. The west may want to use us, but we want to use them. You must understand that China has alienated a large section of India's population and elite class. They would like to have a closer relationship, or a quadrilateral between India, US, Japan, and Australia, to contain China.
 
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He did refer to other countries including Japan, Australia.

Vietnam obviously can fit in, so can other countries like Korea.

Let's play the containment game then. It will further highlight the US as a sort of international thug and those rushing to its bid as expandables.

I am not sure how willing India is. Australia might jump in because as a culturally West country, it is in their DNA. However, China will still not regard them as more than a mineral and fruit basket.

The rest of East Asia will not be played on. Even Japan won't. They, at best, wish to hedge. Just hedge, and not just on the US.
 
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I am laughing! India a counterweight to China.

India is no match for China.
 
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