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Imran Khan's Stance accepted by Supreme Court in Presidential Reference

Government should release numbers in regards to expenditure of these futile supreme court labor hour wastage.

The country has lost too much time for Tea Party Mousilinis urge for constitutional fascism.
Lolx even if its done constitutionally some people will take it as faccism even tho their tau g was responsible for fascist massacre of Model Town
Apparently President's office is as incompetent as the Prime Ministers office.
Says someone who has never won a Headboys election 😆
Apparently President's office is as incompetent as the Prime Ministers office.
Or maybe headgirls in your case 🤣
 
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No it didn't. Senate elections won't be happening thru open ballots/ show off hands.
How ECP will maintain transparency, is something not possible with secret balloting which current mechanism...

The ballot paper will be made traceable with a bar code etc. Anyone can check who voted for whom. It might not be an open ballot but it is not a secret ballot altogether as well. As soon as vote is casted it is no longer confidential. The one people are confusing this stance with is show of hand, if you go through the attorney general points it was attorney general proposal to make the ballot traceable.
 
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Just remember, what goes around comes around. If it’s in your interest today to go the unconstitutional route in order to minimise political damage, your opponents in the future will also employ this route when it suits them to your detriment, you’ll have no choice when that time comes.

Our politicians all lack long term thinking, all major parties in history have done things in power that suited them. Only to suffer at the consequence of their own actions after having set the precedence, you reap what you sow.
 
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Just remember, what goes around comes around. If it’s in your interest today to go the unconstitutional route in order to minimise political damage, your opponents in the future will also employ this route when it suits them to your detriment, you’ll have no choice when that time comes.

Our politicians all lack long term thinking, all major parties in history have done things in power that suited them. Only to suffer at the consequence of their own actions after having set the precedence, you reap what you sow.

I think it will be a win for democracy. Pti stance has been the same always, even in opposition. It's a principled stance which has to be admired. They supported Plmn when Plmn sought the same in government but later backtracked while they themselves were in government.

It was never a question of whether in power or in opposition. It's against use of money.

Secret balloting is still there just that it is no longer secret as soon as vote is cast. If a truly open ballot is enforced we will get rid of all the rich business cartels representation in Senate.
 
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i mean, i will take it. its not exactly an open ballot, but its not a secret ballot either. its something in between. so those that do horse trading will be easier to catch with this system. its a better system than what we have now. i dont know if there is enough time to implement this when the senate elections are only 2 days from now.
 
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I think it will be a win for democracy. Pti stance has been the same always, even in opposition. It's a principled stance which has to be admired. They supported Plmn when Plmn sought the same in government but later backtracked while they themselves were in government.

It was never a question of whether in power or in opposition. It's against use of money.

Secret balloting is still there just that it is no longer secret as soon as vote is cast. If a truly open ballot is enforced we will get rid of all the rich business cartels representation in Senate.
There are plenty of very valid arguments against secret ballot both for elections like this and general elections involving the public, as you have pointed out. However, this balloting method has developed through democratic norms and political science tradition, therefore some due care and diligence is in order if we seek to remove it.

Brazen actions without assessment consequences is what I said I take issue with, the proper way to do this is to make the necessary constitutional amendments to remove secret balloting as mandatory, while also working on some alternative procedural measures that would then need instatement. The exact nature of these alternatives I confess I can’t perceive for a lack of knowledge in this area.

If secret ballots are not wanted, that’s fine, just make sure you have the system set up to accommodate the change. And also if this call is coming from a place of sincerity and not motivated by political opportunism, then all future elections should be held this way, including when it isn’t in the interest of your preferred party. If secret balloting is being attacked for a lack of accountability and sincerity, then the people attacking it should also be motivated by accountability and sincerity, and held to that standard which they profess for themselves.
 
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They should have mentioned clearly for traceable ...in this paragraph nothing is mentioned about traceable vote ..only used of technology to safeguard corrupt practices ...court should have given clear verdict
lol read it again including utilizing technologies? but yeah it's hard to understand when someone don't want to understand.

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There are plenty of very valid arguments against secret ballot both for elections like this and general elections involving the public, as you have pointed out. However, this balloting method has developed through democratic norms and political science tradition, therefore some due care and diligence is in order if we seek to remove it.

Brazen actions without assessment consequences is what I said I take issue with, the proper way to do this is to make the necessary constitutional amendments to remove secret balloting as mandatory, while also working on some alternative procedural measures that would then need instatement. The exact nature of these alternatives I confess I can’t perceive for a lack of knowledge in this area.

If secret ballots are not wanted, that’s fine, just make sure you have the system set up to accommodate the change. And also if this call is coming from a place of sincerity and not motivated by political opportunism, then all future elections should be held this way, including when it isn’t in the interest of your preferred party. If secret balloting is being attacked for a lack of accountability and sincerity, then the people attacking it should also be motivated by accountability and sincerity, and held to that standard which they profess for themselves.

Have you bothered to read the judgement? Secrecy is not absolute.
 
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Honourable courts, where saqib aw nisar has just been given huge post retirement bonus and perks to last until the day if judgement by ordinance of the pm.
Nothing done by this cabal I'd above board or in national interest
 
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Its a moral victory for the IK and served us as the teaser that how corrupt our politics are. Its got to show our pathetic state of the politicians who still want to do the secret voting to keep there whore houses going.
Also shows belatedly our nation moral fabric, how low there moral bar is after watching that video of "whores for sale" with stacks of rupees for the senate elections.
If that video would have came out in any Western country, people would have came out on the roads and laws would have amended in a week or government would have fallen in hours.
Credit goes to IK, knowing well he have got no majority in the assembly or senate he tried to change it through presidential ordinance or courts. At least he tried to show the mirror to the corrupt nation of ours despite failing that why are we so low in the corruption index in the world. Are we going to blame this on the India too that they have voted against us to put us on that list? Whatever spin politicians give and frankly its IK loss and in turn Pakistan loss while corruption have won. Imagine tomorrow any new PM of our great country sitting in front of the US president and he will be wondering how much money i have to pay to make him dance like a monkey.
Most Pakistani's want to enjoy the lifestyle of the Western countries and our kids want to speak in the lingo of the " pari hou rahi ha" and elders want to hold the tesbieh in there hands but when time of the responsibility comes we conveniently look the other way.
When Common decency, honesty, fairness and merit goes out of the window what are we expecting? No wonder we keep on showing up in the IMF corridors, living with the sorry state of our economics, constantly polishing the begging bowl, blaming others for our misery and keep on shouting " Maingey ho gahi ha".
 
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If it's traceable then it's not secret. The courts can't change the constitution. Only parliament can through concensus
The video shows PTI buying and selling themselves, no need to tar everyone else
 
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Godi Media

Supreme Court said election through secret ballot are absolute. Supreme Court basically. Said make votes traceable either by putting bar code or serial number on votes. The vote is not secret anymore so its a win for PTI
 
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