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Imran Khan's greatest challenge: Making Pakistan Muslim again

Who would have thought it? Imran Khan has been elected prime minister of Pakistan. My first thought was: being the most important person of a nation isn't exactly easy but being the leader of a country like Pakistan is even more difficult. As much as I adore Pakistan, I couldn't handle the pressure.

But Imran Khan can handle the pressure. He, at least, has the ability to find an answer to Pakistan's most pressing problem which is the question of identity. To tell you right away: I am not talking about nation building. Pakistan is already an existing nation. Pakistan is built. In fact, Pakistan is much more successful than its artificial neighbor New Delhi; unlike India, Pakistan's foundation is solid.

However, the Pakistanis need to address some outstanding questions and I think that Imran Khan could provide answers.

For instance, almost all of Pakistan would deny that the Pakistani state and its institutions (military, parliament, government etc.) are secular even though they are. Most of the people in the Islamic world mix up the concept of statehood and nationhood. Yes, the Pakistani nation is Muslim but the Pakistani state isn't.

Actually, the very concept of a modern state is Western and secular to the core which is ironic for the simple reason that those people who reject this argument are usually the same people who are big fans of the Ottoman Empire. And this is the reason why to this day, many groups within the nationalistic political spectrum in Turkey struggle to accept the Ottoman past - partly because the Ottomans defined the nation ("millet") as a confessional community. Muslims regardless of their ethnicity were one millet, Christians were another.

The only Ottomans left are Indians

What about Pakistan? It is a nation or millet? The answer is clear to me. Pakistanis are a modern nation state and the sole heirs of the Indus Civilization whereas India is a millet state. However, those in Pakistan, who are celebrating the Ottoman Empire and modern-day Islamic Pakistan at the same time, should ask the question why they call themselves Pakistani in the first place. Pakistan is alien to the concept of millet. The leaders and founding fathers of Pakistan like Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Allama Muhammad Iqbal, Aga Khan III., Liaquat Ali Khan etc. wanted Pakistan to be the home of Muslims in British India. The currently prevailing Islamic globalist attitudes in parts of the Pakistani society do not reflect the philosophy behind the movement that had led to the formation of Pakistan.

This is why India's "Muslim personal law" is a modern variation of the Ottoman millet system while Pakistan itself doesn't apply the millet system due to the simple fact of being a specific nation. Accepting the Islamic millet systems means saying no to the idea of Pakistan. In addition, we should not forget that the Ottoman Empire collapsed because of its artificial social composition. Since its establishment, India is suffering from the exact same illnesses as the Ottoman Empire during its existence.

To put it this way:

There is nothing Pakistani, if Pakistan is solely Islamic; Pakistan only exists because its a Muslim nation. The Ottoman Empire was neither a modern state nor a modern nation - it was just ummah, thus, ceased to exist.

Pakistanis waving the Ottoman flag, emphasizing Islamic Pakistan instead of a Muslim Pakistan and prioritizing the Ummah should be aware of these facts. The nation is the vase that is filled with Islamic values; Muslims are hold together by their respective nations. Without a national framing, global terror groups will continue to abuse Muslims by calling themselves Islamic. One cannot deny that what is making Pakistan Pakistan are the boundaries in the East to India and in the West to Afghanistan.

Therefore I believe that making Pakistan a Muslim nation is Imran's biggest task.

Opinions?

P.S.: Please don't get mad. These are just some thoughts. My intention is not to hurt anybody's feeling. I love, respect and cherish Pakistan and everything that is Pakistani, which includes you. : )
 
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Ottoman empire ended soon new empire will emerge after or in ww3
 
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Imran Khan's greatest challenge: Making Pakistan Muslim again

Who would have thought it? Imran Khan has been elected prime minister of Pakistan. My first thought was: being the most important person of a nation isn't exactly easy but being the leader of a country like Pakistan is even more difficult. As much as I adore Pakistan, I couldn't handle the pressure.

But Imran Khan can handle the pressure. He, at least, has the ability to find an answer to Pakistan's most pressing problem which is the question of identity. To tell you right away: I am not talking about nation building. Pakistan is already an existing nation. Pakistan is built. In fact, Pakistan is much more successful than its artificial neighbor New Delhi; unlike India, Pakistan's foundation is solid.

However, the Pakistanis need to address some outstanding questions and I think that Imran Khan could provide answers.

For instance, almost all of Pakistan would deny that the Pakistani state and its institutions (military, parliament, government etc.) are secular even though they are. Most of the people in the Islamic world mix up the concept of statehood and nationhood. Yes, the Pakistani nation is Muslim but the Pakistani state isn't.

Actually, the very concept of a modern state is Western and secular to the core which is ironic for the simple reason that those people who reject this argument are usually the same people who are big fans of the Ottoman Empire. And this is the reason why to this day, many groups within the nationalistic political spectrum in Turkey struggle to accept the Ottoman past - partly because the Ottomans defined the nation ("millet") as a confessional community. Muslims regardless of their ethnicity were one millet, Christians were another.

The only Ottomans left are Indians

What about Pakistan? It is a nation or millet? The answer is clear to me. Pakistanis are a modern nation state and the sole heirs of the Indus Civilization whereas India is a millet state. However, those in Pakistan, who are celebrating the Ottoman Empire and modern-day Islamic Pakistan at the same time, should ask the question why they call themselves Pakistani in the first place. Pakistan is alien to the concept of millet. The leaders and founding fathers of Pakistan like Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Allama Muhammad Iqbal, Aga Khan III., Liaquat Ali Khan etc. wanted Pakistan to be the home of Muslims in British India. The currently prevailing Islamic globalist attitudes in parts of the Pakistani society do not reflect the philosophy behind the movement that had led to the formation of Pakistan.

This is why India's "Muslim personal law" is a modern variation of the Ottoman millet system while Pakistan itself doesn't apply the millet system due to the simple fact of being a specific nation. Accepting the Islamic millet systems means saying no to the idea of Pakistan. In addition, we should not forget that the Ottoman Empire collapsed because of its artificial social composition. Since its establishment, India is suffering from the exact same illnesses as the Ottoman Empire during its existence.

To put it this way:

There is nothing Pakistani, if Pakistan is solely Islamic; Pakistan only exists because its a Muslim nation. The Ottoman Empire was neither a modern state nor a modern nation - it was just ummah, thus, ceased to exist.

Pakistanis waving the Ottoman flag, emphasizing Islamic Pakistan instead of a Muslim Pakistan and prioritizing the Ummah should be aware of these facts. The nation is the vase that is filled with Islamic values; Muslims are hold together by their respective nations. Without a national framing, global terror groups will continue to abuse Muslims by calling themselves Islamic. One cannot deny that what is making Pakistan Pakistan are the boundaries in the East to India and in the West to Afghanistan.

Therefore I believe that making Pakistan a Muslim nation is Imran's biggest task.

Opinions?

P.S.: Please don't get mad. These are just some thoughts. My intention is not to hurt anybody's feeling. I love, respect and cherish Pakistan and everything that is Pakistani, which includes you. : )

Sorry, don't mean offense but this piece went over my head.
 
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How much more Muslim/Islamic you want Pakistan to be? lol

The best way for us, is to be a secular country. A nation which is proud to be from Pakistan(both natives/immigrants). A nation of people who didn't immigrate from anywhere and who is not immigrating anywhere.
 
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What does our Islam benefit if we fail to open our heart and conscience to one of us? Islam is eternal, but every topic we talk about islam in these days, mostly dictates today's political-ideological wars.

I'm sick of seeing people who always make TAKFIR to somebody. I'm tired of seeing the states that have always applied a rigid and narrow Islamic framework and used it as an ideological tool. I'm tired of seeing narrow-minded statesmen who are involved in the freedom of belief of people and put them under pressure and put them in the service of radicals.

Our greatest struggle is that we should adopt and maintain secularism on the basis of Islam's tolerance principle.
 
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If Pak isn't a Muslim state then there's no Muslim states in the current world!!!! It's based on the Two Nation Theory (Muslims and non-Muslims are two different Ummets): the ultimate basis of judgement at the Mahkeme-i Kubra on the Roz-i Hashr!!!!! And, it takes the ownership of the Muslim Past, Present and Future (Terjuman-i Mazi, Shan-i Hal, Jan-i Istikbal), and calls herself Merkez-i Yakin (Fortress of Allah consciousness) in her national anthem!!! Now that the Ottomans are gone, who would own their legacy of being a both Saltanat and Hilafet???? Even if not physically (not possible with present Reality), what's about even symbolically???? Turkey could assume the Salanat part for the obvious reasons!!!! Nobody other than Pak came forward knowing full well that it'd receive the rage of the forces of Sheyatin!!!! Yet, they did it!!!! So, questioning the Muslim-ness of Pak is either the epitome of ignorance or due to having ulterior motives!!!!

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Is my English that bad or do you guys need more context?
The constitution of Pakistan is Islamic, its courts are bound by Islamic law, its military names most of its operations and weapons after Islamic heroes n concepts. Its govt is bound to act by the constitution to act for the preservation of Islam. How is this a secular state?, The full name of Pakistan is Islamic Republic of Pakistan mate, secularism has no place here, our founding fathers built this state for Islam n its principles, let this be the end of this needless n useless debate mate. If u think the concept of state is unislamic, i will urge u to remember that Islamic world started as a little state found on Islamic law, Medina it was called.
 
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Strange thread title.

Pakistan already claims to be an Islamic republic.

Imran Khan's greatest challenge: Making Pakistan Muslim again

Who would have thought it? Imran Khan has been elected prime minister of Pakistan. My first thought was: being the most important person of a nation isn't exactly easy but being the leader of a country like Pakistan is even more difficult. As much as I adore Pakistan, I couldn't handle the pressure.

But Imran Khan can handle the pressure. He, at least, has the ability to find an answer to Pakistan's most pressing problem which is the question of identity. To tell you right away: I am not talking about nation building. Pakistan is already an existing nation. Pakistan is built. In fact, Pakistan is much more successful than its artificial neighbor New Delhi; unlike India, Pakistan's foundation is solid.

However, the Pakistanis need to address some outstanding questions and I think that Imran Khan could provide answers.

For instance, almost all of Pakistan would deny that the Pakistani state and its institutions (military, parliament, government etc.) are secular even though they are. Most of the people in the Islamic world mix up the concept of statehood and nationhood. Yes, the Pakistani nation is Muslim but the Pakistani state isn't.

Actually, the very concept of a modern state is Western and secular to the core which is ironic for the simple reason that those people who reject this argument are usually the same people who are big fans of the Ottoman Empire. And this is the reason why to this day, many groups within the nationalistic political spectrum in Turkey struggle to accept the Ottoman past - partly because the Ottomans defined the nation ("millet") as a confessional community. Muslims regardless of their ethnicity were one millet, Christians were another.

The only Ottomans left are Indians

What about Pakistan? It is a nation or millet? The answer is clear to me. Pakistanis are a modern nation state and the sole heirs of the Indus Civilization whereas India is a millet state. However, those in Pakistan, who are celebrating the Ottoman Empire and modern-day Islamic Pakistan at the same time, should ask the question why they call themselves Pakistani in the first place. Pakistan is alien to the concept of millet. The leaders and founding fathers of Pakistan like Muhammad Ali Jinnah, Allama Muhammad Iqbal, Aga Khan III., Liaquat Ali Khan etc. wanted Pakistan to be the home of Muslims in British India. The currently prevailing Islamic globalist attitudes in parts of the Pakistani society do not reflect the philosophy behind the movement that had led to the formation of Pakistan.

This is why India's "Muslim personal law" is a modern variation of the Ottoman millet system while Pakistan itself doesn't apply the millet system due to the simple fact of being a specific nation. Accepting the Islamic millet systems means saying no to the idea of Pakistan. In addition, we should not forget that the Ottoman Empire collapsed because of its artificial social composition. Since its establishment, India is suffering from the exact same illnesses as the Ottoman Empire during its existence.

To put it this way:

There is nothing Pakistani, if Pakistan is solely Islamic; Pakistan only exists because its a Muslim nation. The Ottoman Empire was neither a modern state nor a modern nation - it was just ummah, thus, ceased to exist.

Pakistanis waving the Ottoman flag, emphasizing Islamic Pakistan instead of a Muslim Pakistan and prioritizing the Ummah should be aware of these facts. The nation is the vase that is filled with Islamic values; Muslims are hold together by their respective nations. Without a national framing, global terror groups will continue to abuse Muslims by calling themselves Islamic. One cannot deny that what is making Pakistan Pakistan are the boundaries in the East to India and in the West to Afghanistan.

Therefore I believe that making Pakistan a Muslim nation is Imran's biggest task.

Opinions?

P.S.: Please don't get mad. These are just some thoughts. My intention is not to hurt anybody's feeling. I love, respect and cherish Pakistan and everything that is Pakistani, which includes you. : )
lol how is Pakistan using Ottoman flag? Pakistan is using Mughal flag.

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The constitution of Pakistan is Islamic, its courts are bound by Islamic law, its military names most of its operations and weapons after Islamic heroes n concepts. Its govt is bound to act by the constitution to act for the preservation of Islam. How is this a secular state?, The full name of Pakistan is Islamic Republic of Pakistan mate, secularism has no place here, our founding fathers built this state for Islam n its principles, let this be the end of this needless n useless debate mate. If u think the concept of state is unislamic, i will urge u to remember that Islamic world started as a little state found on Islamic law, Medina it was called.
Agreed with you completely.
 
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Problem with a lot of Pakistanis is if you mention secular they automatically assume it's like Christian or something. They don't believe secular and Islam can co exist like it does in Turkey. Islam isn't as harsh as what these people make out.

They are uneducated and backwards. Alot of investment needs to go in educating these people and make sure no more dodgy ideologies and cults are imported from the middle East. Even traditional sunni non salafi are turning into wackos.

And as for religiousness, i know no one is perfect but it's one of the most corrupt 'muslim' societies I come across.

So your right in the sense making it Muslim again as in taking it away from the extremists.
 
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Problem with a lot of Pakistanis is if you mention secular they automatically assume it's like Christian or something. They don't believe secular and Islam can co exist like it does in Turkey. Islam isn't as harsh as what these people make out.

They are uneducated and backwards. Alot of investment needs to go in educating these people and make sure no more dodgy ideologies and cults are imported from the middle East. Even traditional sunni non salafi are turning into wackos.
Turkey is not an Islamic country nor is it following Islamic principles either. You stay out of this one.

Turkey uses the Laiklik or French secularism system. Don't fool us.
 
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Turkey is not an Islamic country nor is it following Islamic principles either. You stay out of this one.

Turkey uses the Laiklik or French secularism system. Don't fool us.

Who said it's Islamic I said they co exist. You step out.
 
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