Imran Khan wants Qadiani Atif Mian to be his Finance Minister

[TankMan]

Imran needs some professional media advisor to advise him on what to say and what not to say. One doesn't has to say everything and not to answer every question. As much as we know him from his management style of the cancer hospital and the University, he is not a person who would give a hoot about religion while deciding about a position. In his personal life, he hardly does anything that is in line with strict religious teachings hence called 'Yahoodi agent' by religious extremists. It is irony that the same person is called yahoodi agent and taliban khan by two segments of the society. Those who are condemning him, what would they be doing in his position?

I agree, he needs some help in that department. Knowing him, however, I think he'll never want a media advisor. He is known for being stubborn about his morals and ideals, one of them being honesty. That's the biggest problem. Imran Khan is almost too honest - he says what he means and means what he says, making him look flawed. A media advisor would definitely tell him to reduce his honesty. I appreciate it but unfortunately politics and honesty don't match and his honesty gives his enemies a lot of ammo to use against him. That's actually one of the reasons I support him. I'd rather have an honest yet naive leader than an intelligent but corrupt one.

All his ideas, they actually make sense. Zarb-e-Azb, for example, his explanation for opposing it and his counter proposal was very, very good. Despite that, uneducated Pakistanis refuse to see his point and continue to call him Taliban or Yahoodi (some even call him both).

syedbhai , he was totally against zarbeazb. he wanted mazakhraat.

Not, not exactly. He was against doing a military operation alone; he wanted the government and the Army to work on a comprehensive plan to eliminate terrorism entirely, with one of the steps being negotiations.
His plan was simple, effective but difficult (especially with all the politicians and their bickering). Basically, it was this:

-Negotiate with tribes/militants willing to negotiate, eliminate them from the terrorism equation and use those who are willing to help as assets
-Improve relations with the relatively peaceful people to eliminate the Taliban support base (providing education and work being one of the main steps here)
-Conduct military operations against those unwilling to negotiate (such as the Taliban themselves or any hardline supporters)
-Ensure that the area is given attention in the long-term to prevent any terrorism issues from arising again.

I'd call this the NICE framework. Attempting to do this would be a lot better and practical than, as Imran Khan put it, "treating cancer with disprin" (cancer=Taliban, Disprin=military operations every now and then)
Imran Khan in Live With Talat - 5th August 2014 (He explains it at around 4:30)

 

[Meengla]

Correct me if I am wrong but I'm assuming that you don't mind an Ahmedi to be a minister. That's fine. I am sort of confused on this matter but I want your opinion on this, if tomorrow one group comes out and say they are Muslims and they claim the sun is Allah, will you still allow them to promote that sort of believe and ppl in that group be in government post since we should not care about someone's religion?

I don't have any problem with any Qadiani or Hindu or Parsi or Christian to occupy any office in Pakistan! Mr. M. A. Jinnah had some close Qadiani leutenants. Qadianis occupied offices and helped build Pakistan well into 50's and 60s. This idea that somehow if someone's interpretation of the 'finality' of Prophethood is different enough to harm a country's progress is absurd, divisive, and counterproductive. Stupidity at its best. Fatal at its worst for any nation.

All his ideas, they actually make sense. Zarb-e-Azb, for example, his explanation for opposing it and his counter proposal was very, very good. Despite that, uneducated Pakistanis refuse to see his point and continue to call him Taliban or Yahoodi (some even call him both).

I don't perceive Imran Khan as Yahoodi or Taliban Khan. I think he is too stupid to be anything except a self-made Messiah sitting on some throne solving problems per his own intelligence.
And I believe there is a lot of truth in the Urdu sayings:
'Nadan Dost se Dana Dushman Accha' (Better have a wise enemy that a foolish friend).
"Neem Hakeem, Khatraye Jaan" (Half physician is a danger to life).

Imran's mood swings, his casual approach, his stupid decisions will make a large part of Pakistan rise against him in less than two years should he ever come to power. Then we will wish for the 'better days' from before.

Imran has a failed personal life. He has no roots in Pakistan to the point of feeling any real pinch should things go bad, with his kids living abroad. He really seems to look at the Pakistani landscape as an outsider otherwise he wouldn't be so casual in his decision making. He lives in the clouds.

 

[jericho]

I disagree with Ahmedis beliefs but I believe that religion and state affairs need not to be mingled. As long as someone is not a security risk, he/she be allowed to hold any position (as per the constitution) in the government irrespective of their theological/religious beliefs.

I am not sure what is in the constitution, but if what you say is correct and no matter how good and logical that sounds, we should also think about the fact that if one day everyone is the government from PM , president, to ministers are Ahmedis or any other group with different believe as a Muslim yet they claim to be a Muslim, then will Pakistan remain as Islamic republic? will it be considered a Muslim country?

I don't have any problem with any Qadiani or Hindu or Parsi or Christian to occupy any office in Pakistan! Mr. M. A. Jinnah had some close Qadiani leutenants. Qadianis occupied offices and helped build Pakistan well into 50's and 60s. This idea that somehow if someone's interpretation of the 'finality' of Prophethood is different enough to harm a country's progress is absurd, divisive, and counterproductive. Stupidity at its best. Fatal at its worst for any nation.

I was not talking about Qadianis, in my question. Lets say a different group comes out in the near future with different name but they claim to be Muslims, and they claim the sun is Allah, you are fine with them as well?

 

[syedali73]

I am not sure what is in the constitution, but if what you say is correct and no matter how good and logical that sounds, we should also think about the fact that if one day everyone is the government from PM , president, to ministers are Ahmedis or any other group with different believe as a Muslim yet they claim to be a Muslim, then will Pakistan remain as Islamic republic? will it be considered a Muslim country?

Countries have no religion, but their inhabitants. I have seen more Islam in Unites States than in so-called Islamic countries, which have hundreds of thousands of Muslims but little or no Islam.

 

[Meengla]

I was not talking about Qadianis, in my question. Lets say a different group comes out in the near future with different name but they claim to be Muslims, and they claim the sun is Allah, you are fine with them as well?

You are putting questions in black and white; painting someone potential suspects before the arguments can even begin.

FYI, Pakistan was formed as a nationalist-secular country for the Muslims of the Sub-continent. Everything about the formation of Pakistan was based on 'material' interests of the Muslims of the sub-continent. It was always about 'if you don't get Pakistan then be prepared to be dominated by the majority Hindus'. I am certain that the Founding Fathers of Pakistan exploited that fear to carve out a country for purely secular and economic reasons. And so your (extreme) scenario doesn't apply so long as the economic interests are met.

And, btw, knowing all kind of low activities in Pakistan (feeding dead dogs/donkeys as 'beef', if true) how far is that from claiming the 'sun' as Allah?

 

[TankMan]

I don't perceive Imran Khan as Yahoodi or Taliban Khan. I think he is too stupid to be anything except a self-made Messiah sitting on some throne solving problems per his own intelligence.
And I believe there is a lot of truth in the Urdu sayings:
'Nadan Dost se Dana Dushman Accha' (Better have a wise enemy that a foolish friend).
"Neem Hakeem, Khatraye Jaan" (Half physician is a danger to life).

Imran's mood swings, his casual approach, his stupid decisions will make a large part of Pakistan rise against him in less than two years should he ever come to power. Then we will wish for the 'better days' from before.

Imran has a failed personal life. He has no roots in Pakistan to the point of feeling any real pinch should things go bad, with his kids living abroad. He really seems to look at the Pakistani landscape as an outsider otherwise he wouldn't be so casual in his decision making. He lives in the clouds.

If Imran Khan is stupid, what do you think an intelligent person would have done differently? Don't just blindly criticise, explain your criticism too.

As for "neem hakeem", yaar apni bimari ka ilaaj kisi baal katne wale se karwane se behter hai kisi neem hakeem se hi karwa lo.

Imran has a failed personal life. He has no roots in Pakistan to the point of feeling any real pinch should things go bad, with his kids living abroad. He really seems to look at the Pakistani landscape as an outsider otherwise he wouldn't be so casual in his decision making.

His personal life isn't even close to being "failed". He is famous, rich, educated, basically everything anyone would wish for. He could've enjoyed his life abroad but instead he chose to try to work for Pakistan and to improve it. It's good that he has no stakes in Pakistan, that way he can't be putting his own interests above the country's like all the other politicians. Kids living abroad has nothing to do with his leadership.

Imran's mood swings, his casual approach, his stupid decisions will make a large part of Pakistan rise against him in less than two years should he ever come to power. Then we will wish for the 'better days' from before.

I highly doubt it. The Pakistani people didn't rise against Zardari during his term and Imran Khan/PTI couldn't be worse for the country than Zardari was, even if IK tried.
However, his mood swings and poor decisions are legitimate concerns which I too share.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

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How is declaring a disbeliever who partially believes in Quran and Prophet is playing a god's role?

 

[jericho]

You are putting questions in black and white; painting someone potential suspects before the arguments can even begin.

Man, I am just asking a simple question, you don't have to explain the formation of Pakistan stories and the feeding dogs as beef activities. I am just looking for a simple yes or no from you/ anyone who believes Ahmedis should be in government, if you can answer in just yes/no to my previous question, please do so.

Countries have no religion, but their inhabitants. I have seen more Islam in Unites States than in so-called Islamic countries, which have hundreds of thousands of Muslims but little or no Islam.

I am still a bit skeptical on Ahmedis issue but I agree on this one 100%.

 

[he-man]

Imran khan can't do zilch till society itself changes.

It will happen at its own pace.

Same is the condition in india,just too many gullible and stupid people around.

 

[Bratva]

Imran khan can't do zilch till society itself changes.

It will happen at its own pace.

Same is the condition in india,just too many gullible and stupid people around.

So would you accept nirankari sikhs with open arms and let you rule them ?

 

[he-man]

So would you accept nirankari sikhs with open arms and let you rule them ?

I am oblivious to religion,forget the castes that are there.

Couldn't care less.

So would you accept nirankari sikhs with open arms and let you rule them ?

 

[Bas_kya_bhai]

what harm can a qadiani minster cause to a country with his personal religious belief? how come he pose a threat? sorry to say but pakistan itself is a little confused at its islamic identity. it does not have saria but have westernised laws and juridicial system. it has completely non islamic banking. pakistan pays and recieves sood/ interest. i can write till eternity but the point is ones religious belief has nothing to harm in country's progress. maulana diesel is maulana, but.... abdul kalam-vajpeyee-antony, sonia-mms and pratibha they all had different religious belief that never had impact on progress.

 

[Bratva]

I am oblivious to religion,forget the castes that are there.

Couldn't care less.

So you are what 1 out 100,000 thousand who would that ?

 

[he-man]

So you are what 1 out 100,000 thousand who would that ?

nope,the nirankaris etc clashed with mainstream in 90's,no one gives a fu ck nowadays.

agreed charas has calmed lot of jingos down,lol

 

[Bratva]

nope,the nirankaris etc clashed with mainstream in 90's,no one gives a fu ck nowadays.

agreed charas has calmed lot of jingos down,lol

heard, it was a raw conspiracy to make sikh youth addicted to narcotics so to take their minds of khalsa tehreek