Imran Khan Announces to give Pak Citizenship to Afghan Refugees

[Reichsmarschall]

I wonder what will "Rajputs" will react to this in future,

whoever they are they have no say in Pakistan

 

[Fawadqasim1]

And

What? This whole thread has been about the Afghan refugee issue. Seems you're lost.

No I am not you are insensitive. Or an ultra a hole.

 

[Enigma_]

And

No I am not you are insensitive. Or an ultra a hole.

Insensitive to what? People that have majorly contributed to the miserable hellhole that the country has become? Whatever, how about you become sensitive to Pakistanis that were actually born in the country and have never ever gone against the state and serve it. Not some other people that are hell bent on destroying the country. I am a hole but they're worse than that.

 

[Great Brahmin]

Below is the constituency map of Pakistan. There are over 200 of them covering each region of the country. Do you think all the 'sound' you hear on PDF reflects all of these districts in equal proportion? Like ball oxes. The reality is most of the screaming you get here from people who think they own the entire country is probably just about dozen plus districts. You know the better off from the big urban centres followed by sliver from the rural districts, even these are from the periphery of the major urban cities. Rest of the 200 million are on 'mute' mode. They never get to express their views.

The whole point the emphasis by PTI on socio-economic uplift of the poor and the 'mute' is provide education, health and opportunities so that they can go on to play their role in Pakistan. This will increasingly begin to happen as these districts that are neglected whose people never get to have say on the media - which of course only covers the voice of the urban in big cities like Karachi or get to shout on PDF because they don't even have internet connection.

However as we move forward increasingly these disenfranchized communities will get to play their role and you will see a Pakistani narrative that more balanced and representative of the Pakistani demography. This might well be the biggest legacy of PTI government. Bringing about a social wakening in the voice of the neglected masses.

And by the way people tend to pick guns up when they don;t have a stake or share in the society. If your pushed to margins why should you care about the state? A more inclusive and reflective society is more at peace and stable; stronger.

Ps. And I think it is same in India. Only in your country the Dalit, Shudra, Austro-Aborginal tribes are pushed out of the mainstream. Also I think your marginalized are more docile on account of being squashed by the Hindu caste order. They will also awake in time but it willtake time. The Maoist insurgency is a expression of that latent repressed peoples.

@padamchen

Dalits are 90% of India, avg election have vote ratio at nearly 70% or above, your arguemant is Invelid.

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Insensitive to what? People that have majorly contributed to the miserable hellhole that the country has become? Whatever, how about you become sensitive to Pakistanis that were actually born in the country and have never ever gone against the state and serve it. Not some other people that are hell bent on destroying the country. I am a hole but they're worse than that.

What are you talking about if afghans I am against them if Pakistani puktoons Baluchis Sindhis balts etc then you are my enemy because they are as Pakistani as Punjabis

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Joy Pakistan
Khushgawar ast Pakistan

And "Hari Om" in some other thread.

How do you have knowledge of so many foreign cultures?

 

[Kabira]

Operationally, in the field, that is exactly what is implied when you talk of naturalizing based on birth.

As many of you here are arguing for.

So what do you do with the parents, grandparents, uncles, aunties, elder brothers and sisters, etc.?

If memory serves me right, for a period after the end of the civil war, Sri Lanka did something similar for Tamil orphans. Ideological readjustment ....

Cheers, Doc

If Pakistan is going to give citizenship then last thing would be to separate parents from children. Uncles and aunties don't matter.

Afghanistan, to be fair, is more of a civilization than Pakistan is.

But to clarify, no. I meant the Persian and Hindu civilizations.

Cheers, Doc

No its not. What ever contact persian civilisation had was with indic speaking Pakistan. Proper modern hindus of gangetic plains up to Bengal had little to do with it. Afghanistan as we know today didn't exist 700-800 years ago, now its made of pashtuns, hazaras, uzbeks, turks etc all migrated there relatively recently.

 

[padamchen]

If Pakistan is going to give citizenship then last thing would be to separate parents from children. Uncles and aunties don't matter.




No its not. What ever contact persian civilisation had was with indic speaking Pakistan. Proper modern hindus of gangetic plains up to Bengal had little to do with it. Afghanistan as we know today didn't exist 700-800 years ago, now its made of pashtuns, hazaras, uzbeks, turks etc all migrated there relatively recently.

700 years is 10x 70 ....

Thanks for clarifying about the parents (and siblings). In essence, nuclear families whole. That would still be significant.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Kabira]

There are some nationalists Punjabis here who think Pakistan is just for them and all other federating units and their inhabitants must take certificate of loyalty from them this is the real and present danger to our country. There is no other threat bigger
Then this to my country. You should be ashamed of your attitude
You just sound like ANP BLA Jeay Sindh Qaumi Mahaz etc all of whom are rejected by their respective ethnicities by and large.

Yes better being nationalist Pakistani then tribal like Imran Khan. And punjab is stupid for being too big but Balochistan and Sindh, Muhajirs will not allow it. Nationalist pashtuns here would love it because it increase their vote bank, which again shows how much they care about Pakistan. Pakistani pashtuns are already 38 million thanks to afghani migration, if you bring remaining 12 million from Afghanistan it will not make them majority in Pakistan. But they will make enough difference for Baloch, Sindhis and muhajirs to remember likes of Altaf Hussain.

Pakistani pashtun isn't same as afghani one. Sikh isn't same as Pakistani punjabi. And indian muslim isn't same as muhajir. This last one can sweep Pakistan in one go if we started allowing people out of tribal love.

And then question comes how to provide for them when Pakistan can't do that to its own population that died in millions to make Pakistan and maintain it.

So stupid punjab is last thing you should worry about. It will be sindhi, baloch and muhajirs leaders making the must noise, check social media if you don't believe me.

 

[El Sidd]

And "Hari Om" in some other thread.

How do you have knowledge of so many foreign cultures?

I watch YouTube alot.

 

[Kabira]

Below is the constituency map of Pakistan. There are over 200 of them covering each region of the country. Do you think all the 'sound' you hear on PDF reflects all of these districts in equal proportion? Like ball oxes. The reality is most of the screaming you get here from people who think they own the entire country is probably just about dozen plus districts. You know the better off from the big urban centres followed by sliver from the rural districts, even these are from the periphery of the major urban cities. Rest of the 200 million are on 'mute' mode. They never get to express their views.

The whole point the emphasis by PTI on socio-economic uplift of the poor and the 'mute' is provide education, health and opportunities so that they can go on to play their role in Pakistan. This will increasingly begin to happen as these districts that are neglected whose people never get to have say on the media - which of course only covers the voice of the urban in big cities like Karachi or get to shout on PDF because they don't even have internet connection.

However as we move forward increasingly these disenfranchized communities will get to play their role and you will see a Pakistani narrative that more balanced and representative of the Pakistani demography. This might well be the biggest legacy of PTI government. Bringing about a social wakening in the voice of the neglected masses.

And by the way people tend to pick guns up when they don;t have a stake or share in the society. If your pushed to margins why should you care about the state? A more inclusive and reflective society is more at peace and stable; stronger.

Ps. And I think it is same in India. Only in your country the Dalit, Shudra, Austro-Aborginal tribes are pushed out of the mainstream. Also I think your marginalized are more docile on account of being squashed by the Hindu caste order. They will also awake in time but it willtake time. The Maoist insurgency is a expression of that latent repressed peoples.

@padamchen

Non of that mean giving afghanis citizenship which will further create problems in Pakistan. Sure Pakistan need to bring Baloch more in to mainstream. And you are very wrong about your analyses. No one want to give afghani citizenship apart few certain districts, vast majority will oppose.

I met 10s of such people. I can speak punjabi as well.


Yes, because German law enforcement is tight.

I met many such people and they told me even marrying German women doesn't get you citizenship lol

 

[Fawadqasim1]

Yes better being nationalist Pakistani then tribal like Imran Khan. And punjab is stupid for being too big but Balochistan and Sindh, Muhajirs will not allow it. Nationalist pashtuns here would love it because it increase their vote bank, which again shows how much they care about Pakistan. Pakistani pashtuns are already 38 million thanks to afghani migration, if you bring remaining 12 million from Afghanistan it will not make them majority in Pakistan. But they will make enough difference for Baloch, Sindhis and muhajirs to remember likes of Altaf Hussain.

Pakistani pashtun isn't same as afghani one. Sikh isn't same as Pakistani punjabi. And indian muslim isn't same as muhajir. This last one can sweep Pakistan in one go if we started allowing people out of tribal love.

And then question comes how to provide for them when Pakistan can't do that to its own population that died in millions to make Pakistan and maintain it.

So stupid punjab is last thing you should worry about. It will be sindhi, baloch and muhajirs leaders making the must noise, check social media if you don't believe me.

Their brunt is on kpk and Karachi not on Punjab
And then pukhtoons should vote for pukhtoons
Punjabis for Punjabis and so on what's the point of Pakistan. then spermacy of Punjabis over all other ethnicities and why should they accept that by your logic not by mine. Mine is respecting each other and each others rights and leaders too it can't be always a jaath

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Afghanistan did not exist more then 300 years. No idea where you get 700. And even then it included present day Pakistan. Pakistan today is more of a nation state then Afghanistan. Both are diverse [India too] but Pakistan has a better structures and architecture that integrates the varoius ethnic groups. Afghanistan on the other hand has always been a loose conglomeration wiyth weak centre in Kabul. That is why there is so uch infighting.

On the subject of "Indic". This is a concept that is self serving and distorted to suit the Indian Repblic post 1947 attempt at fashioning a sense of nationhood out of the rainbow of peoples that falls within it's borders. I could as easily make up "Pakistanic" and then through use reify a existence. The word "Indic" in the sense being used is of recent manufacture. If is a convenient catch all to underpin the Indian Republic. If by "Indic" the meaning is of a Hindu Civilizationwell then I am afraid that is broad scape that covers Indian Nepal, Burma, Thailand, Indian Republic, Indonesia, Cambodia, Bali etc

It is too diffuse to mean much. It would be something along the lines of "Christianic" or "Europoid" which is mass of peoples. Even the Persian Civilization argumant is diffuse. Tajiks are Persian speaking, so are Mongolian Hazara of Afghanistan.

 

[Kabira]

I think in the end we will have bigger KPK in Punjab.

Kpk was a former Jat, Gujjar and Hindu and with significant Baniya, Rajput and Brahmin population before they migrated and colonized it.

Today kpk(former Dardic-Punjabi)is like 75% Tribal and 25% Kasabgars (Inferior slaves) who speaks Pashtu language.

Same with Western punab. Difference will be 20/30% Pashtun on top while 70% as Kasabgars, A caste system.

I wonder what will "Rajputs" will react to this in future, according to my Naru rajpRa friends from Pakistan sistuation is already worse in Potohar.

wtf, you are clown. KP was not former jat, baniya rajput. I though brahmins were supposed to be intelligent but you proved me wrong. You are clown of highest order. Your typical hindu caste posts make me puke, don't shit all over PDF with same shit.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

vast majority will oppose.

We will see about that. Go and riot if you want. Note the Interior Ministry is in PM IM's direct control and under him we have State Minister. Yes Minister Shehryar Khan Afridi. Enjoy .......

And I have no idea which province you come from but you do know one of the jig saw piece of pakistan is Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. And do yu know what "A" stands for in Pakistan. Lemme refresh your history.


"I am enclosing herewith an appeal on behalf of the thirty million Muslims of PAKISTAN, who live in the five Northern Units of India—Punjab, North-West Frontier (Afghan) Province, Gujarat, Kashmir, Sind, and Baluchistan. It embodies their demand for the recognition of their national status, as distinct from the other inhabitants of India, by the grant to Pakistan of a separate Federal Constitution on religious, social and historical grounds."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Declaration

And talking of sacrifice. While many ran away from Hindoos to save their precious behinds which people went in with nothing more than chappels, shalwar kameez and .303 to free Kashmir? The 1/3 of Kashmir Pakistan has is largely thanks to certain group who had the balls to go running into the Hindoo's rather then fcukin running away slithering on their own diaroea. In the history of Pakistan the only acres of land Pakistan has gained has been thanks to which ethnic group? And in history of Pakistan one ethnic group sliced., diced and chopped Pakistan down to size. Yes the Banglas that you people eulogize so much.