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Since Turkey has developed the F-35 Fusalage Technology , was wondering perhaps it would make sense to purchase some of the tech / knowledge for our own research work

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Considering Turkey was Denied the F-35 , means Turkey can recover the losses by any means necessary

a) Buy S-400
b) Sell the Fuselage Tech to other nations
 
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The F-35 piece may not be 100% useful but perhaps we can learn some clues for our own 5th generation work

Fuselage is a important piece , wings / tail and cannopy we already know how to do that stuff
 
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Correction: TAI didn't develop the centre fuselage, Lockheed Martin did it. TAI is awarded to manufacture them which forms a part of the aircraft's internal weapons bay and internal fuel capacity. That part itself is one of the most complex structural sections of the aircraft. The gained know-how and skills by TAI in the project ;

  • High Precision Advanced Technology Composite Part Production,
  • Composite And Metal Bonding Techniques By Using High Technology,
  • Fiber Placement Techniques With Automatic Machining For Sophisticated Structures,
  • Robotic Controlled Precise Coating And Painting Applications,
  • High Level Digital Integration Between Design And Production Period,
  • Robotic Controlled Drilling, Cutting and Integration Processes,
  • High Standard Quality Applications Required For 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft

Total Turkish participiation of F-35 program;

Alp Aviation has been supporting the program since 2004 and currently manufactures F-35 production airframe structure and assemblies, production landing gear components and over 100 F135 production engine parts to include titanium integrated blade rotors.

Ayesas currently is the sole source supplier for two major F-35 components – missile remote interface unit and the panoramic cockpit display.

Fokker Elmo manufactures 40 percent of the F-35 Electrical Wiring & Interconnection System (EWIS) and will also deliver and support TAI with all center section wiring systems. Fokker Elmo is also developing the EWIS for the F135 engine, for which a major share is produced in Fokker Elmo Turkey in Izmir.

Havelsan has been supporting the F-35 training systems since 2005. Additionally, Havelsan has been instrumental as the Turkish lead for developing the construct of the future Turkish F-35 Integrated Pilot and Maintenance Training Center (ITC) and associated training systems in Turkey.

Kale Aerospace has been supporting the F-35 since 2005. In conjunction with Turkish Aerospace Industries, they manufacture and produce F-35 airframe structures and assemblies. Kale Aero also supports Heroux Devtek as the sole source supplier for all three variants landing gear up lock assemblies. Additionally, Kale Aerospace has also established a joint venture in Izmir with Pratt & Whitney and is manufacturing production hardware for the F135 engine.

ROKETSAN and Tubitak-SAGE are the Turkish joint leadership team who strategically manage the development, integration, and production of the advanced precision-guided Stand-off Missile (SOM-J) which will be carried internally on the 5th Generation F-35 aircraft. Additionally, Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control has partnered with Roketsan, through a teaming agreement, to jointly develop, produce, market and sell the advanced, precision guided Stand Off Missile – Joint Strike Fighter (SOM-J).

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) has been strategically supporting the F-35 Program since 2008. The company currently supplies production hardware that goes into every F-35 production aircraft. In conjunction with Northrup Grumman, TAI manufactures and assembles the center fuselages, produces composite skins and weapon bay doors, and manufactures fiber placement composite air inlet ducts. Additionally, TAI is strategically manufacturing 45 percent of the F-35’s including Air-to-Ground Pylons and adapters which is Alternate Mission Equipment (AME).

Additionally, Turkish Industry are going to have significant Industrial Participation role supporting Lockheed Martin and Pratt and Whitney for F-35 aircraft sustainment and F135 engine production and sustainment. Turkey has been given the approval to build its own F135 engines and was also selected to have the first European Regional F135 Engine depot overhaul capability. Both the engine production and overhaul will take place at the 1st HIBM in Eskisehir. Additionally, TAI has also been assigned to represent the organic depots of the Turkish Armed Forces within the Autonomic Logistic Global Sustainment (ALGS) system and Havelsan has been assigned as the Turkish Integrator for the National Integrated Training Center (ITC).

@AZADPAKISTAN2009 So you are right. Turkey gained crucial skills in this programme alone. There are some Chinese guys keep saying that Turkey is nothing in defense field and has no industry. This is only one defence program we are supporting. And we have countless projects are going on at the moment.
 
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The F-35 piece may not be 100% useful but perhaps we can learn some clues for our own 5th generation work

Fuselage is a important piece , wings / tail and cannopy we already know how to do that stuff
Pakistan can do fuselage too as it can do wings, tails etc. But canopy is something Pakistan is not yet doing. Fuselage is made of same material as tail, wings etc. Canopy however, is made of hardened glass. Again, Turkey does not have ability to manufacture composites. It imports the composites and then shapes it into fuselage in Turkey. So, even there, technology is not available
 
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Well Turkey already have knowledge of all electrical components of a 4th generation Jet i.e F16

They knowledge they gained in F-35 was mainly advance knowledge in structure of new fighter jet a key component which serves as basis for the whole plane's integrity

Theoretically it is not hard for Turkey to come up with a 5th generation plane , combining the knowledge gained from two platforms
 
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Well Turkey already have knowledge of all electrical components of a 4th generation Jet i.e F16

They knowledge they gained in F-35 was mainly advance knowledge in structure of new fighter jet a key component which serves as basis for the whole plane's integrity

Theoretically it is not hard for Turkey to come up with a 5th generation plane , combining the knowledge gained from two platforms

Still some technical assistance is needed tbh, we work with BAE Systems on it.
 
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Well Turkey already have knowledge of all electrical components of a 4th generation Jet i.e F16

They knowledge they gained in F-35 was mainly advance knowledge in structure of new fighter jet a key component which serves as basis for the whole plane's integrity

Theoretically it is not hard for Turkey to come up with a 5th generation plane , combining the knowledge gained from two platforms
Engines?
 
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Pakistan can do fuselage too as it can do wings, tails etc. But canopy is something Pakistan is not yet doing. Fuselage is made of same material as tail, wings etc. Canopy however, is made of hardened glass. Again, Turkey does not have ability to manufacture composites. It imports the composites and then shapes it into fuselage in Turkey. So, even there, technology is not available


The state of art composite technology used in aviation sector includes two types of prepreg. Thermoset and thermoplastic. Thermoset is the technology which is widely used on new generation aircraft manufacturing process.(%90 of drones and %53 of airliners are manufactured with carbon-fiber thermoset). Thermoplastic is a new generation and more advanced composite material compared to thermoset. It is predicted that It will take 5-8 years thermoplastic will dominate the market cause of being lighter and more resistant than thermoset. At present, TAI has developed 4 different type carbon fibre and fiber glass thermosets with İpek project and working on three different kind of thermoplastic prepregs with Koza project. Just to inform you...


Thermoset


Thermoplastic
 
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Well as the Turkish honorable member specified that the participation and knowledge gained by Turkey F-35 project can be used in different project and that is still a great gain
 
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Pakistan can do fuselage too as it can do wings, tails etc. But canopy is something Pakistan is not yet doing. Fuselage is made of same material as tail, wings etc. Canopy however, is made of hardened glass. Again, Turkey does not have ability to manufacture composites. It imports the composites and then shapes it into fuselage in Turkey. So, even there, technology is not available
This is pretty old and hasn't been updated but Pakistan does make canopies. If you have watched the official documentary on PAC it shows Mushak and Mirage canopies being made in Pakistan. JF-17 are likely made as well. So point #3 achieved.

https://www.pac.org.pk/canopy

Canopy
Manufacturing


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Canopy shop has the following capabilities:
  • F-7P, FT-7P , FT-7PG side wind shields and canopy is repaired, formed and assembled at ARF.
  • F-7PG canopy glass is also formed, assembled and overhauled.
  • K-8 canopy and windshield assembly and repair is carried out. The facility has the potential to form canopy glass for JF-17, Mirage and K-8 aircraft in future.

Pakistan also has the capability to manufacture carbon composite materials and exports UAV composite assemblies, there were talks with Turkey for manufacturing components for their use. The capability was acquired when we got TOT for Falco UAVs and since it has been enhanced for JF-17 and other components.

https://pac.org.pk/amf
 
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Correction: TAI didn't develop the centre fuselage, Lockheed Martin did it. TAI is awarded to manufacture them which forms a part of the aircraft's internal weapons bay and internal fuel capacity. That part itself is one of the most complex structural sections of the aircraft. The gained know-how and skills by TAI in the project ;

  • High Precision Advanced Technology Composite Part Production,
  • Composite And Metal Bonding Techniques By Using High Technology,
  • Fiber Placement Techniques With Automatic Machining For Sophisticated Structures,
  • Robotic Controlled Precise Coating And Painting Applications,
  • High Level Digital Integration Between Design And Production Period,
  • Robotic Controlled Drilling, Cutting and Integration Processes,
  • High Standard Quality Applications Required For 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft

Total Turkish participiation of F-35 program;

Alp Aviation has been supporting the program since 2004 and currently manufactures F-35 production airframe structure and assemblies, production landing gear components and over 100 F135 production engine parts to include titanium integrated blade rotors.

Ayesas currently is the sole source supplier for two major F-35 components – missile remote interface unit and the panoramic cockpit display.

Fokker Elmo manufactures 40 percent of the F-35 Electrical Wiring & Interconnection System (EWIS) and will also deliver and support TAI with all center section wiring systems. Fokker Elmo is also developing the EWIS for the F135 engine, for which a major share is produced in Fokker Elmo Turkey in Izmir.

Havelsan has been supporting the F-35 training systems since 2005. Additionally, Havelsan has been instrumental as the Turkish lead for developing the construct of the future Turkish F-35 Integrated Pilot and Maintenance Training Center (ITC) and associated training systems in Turkey.

Kale Aerospace has been supporting the F-35 since 2005. In conjunction with Turkish Aerospace Industries, they manufacture and produce F-35 airframe structures and assemblies. Kale Aero also supports Heroux Devtek as the sole source supplier for all three variants landing gear up lock assemblies. Additionally, Kale Aerospace has also established a joint venture in Izmir with Pratt & Whitney and is manufacturing production hardware for the F135 engine.

ROKETSAN and Tubitak-SAGE are the Turkish joint leadership team who strategically manage the development, integration, and production of the advanced precision-guided Stand-off Missile (SOM-J) which will be carried internally on the 5th Generation F-35 aircraft. Additionally, Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control has partnered with Roketsan, through a teaming agreement, to jointly develop, produce, market and sell the advanced, precision guided Stand Off Missile – Joint Strike Fighter (SOM-J).

Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) has been strategically supporting the F-35 Program since 2008. The company currently supplies production hardware that goes into every F-35 production aircraft. In conjunction with Northrup Grumman, TAI manufactures and assembles the center fuselages, produces composite skins and weapon bay doors, and manufactures fiber placement composite air inlet ducts. Additionally, TAI is strategically manufacturing 45 percent of the F-35’s including Air-to-Ground Pylons and adapters which is Alternate Mission Equipment (AME).

Additionally, Turkish Industry are going to have significant Industrial Participation role supporting Lockheed Martin and Pratt and Whitney for F-35 aircraft sustainment and F135 engine production and sustainment. Turkey has been given the approval to build its own F135 engines and was also selected to have the first European Regional F135 Engine depot overhaul capability. Both the engine production and overhaul will take place at the 1st HIBM in Eskisehir. Additionally, TAI has also been assigned to represent the organic depots of the Turkish Armed Forces within the Autonomic Logistic Global Sustainment (ALGS) system and Havelsan has been assigned as the Turkish Integrator for the National Integrated Training Center (ITC).

@AZADPAKISTAN2009 So you are right. Turkey gained crucial skills in this programme alone. There are some Chinese guys keep saying that Turkey is nothing in defense field and has no industry. This is only one defence program we are supporting. And we have countless projects are going on at the moment.
dont worry, i pumped him good late on that thread!
 
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