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IMF seeks disclosure economic and defence cooperation between China and Pakistan

We need the IMF forex help to buy oil in dollars. We don't need dollars to repay china...china will accept a pkr-yuan exchange.

But the question is how is Pakistan going to convince the lender (IMF in this case). Even in a small scenario like Housing Finance the Banks would take into accounts the credit history of the customer, is repaying capability and above all make sure the funds provided are used for the specific mentioned purpose i.e buying a house in this case.

Likewise the IMF had already made it clear that they need absolute transparency about Pakistan financial health long back. It's as simple as that.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...akistans-debts-in-bailout-talks-idUSKCN1ML0W1

IMF managing director Christine Lagarde said she would require “absolute transparency” of Pakistan’s debts, including those owed to China.

She said such disclosures were necessary to determine the debt sustainability of countries seeking IMF loans.
 
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But the question is how is Pakistan going to convince the lender (IMF in this case). Even in a small scenario like Housing Finance the Banks would take into accounts the credit history of the customer, is repaying capability and above all make sure the funds provided are used for the specific mentioned purpose i.e buying a house in this case.

Likewise the IMF had already made it clear that they need absolute transparency about Pakistan financial health long back. It's as simple as that.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...akistans-debts-in-bailout-talks-idUSKCN1ML0W1
IMF is a financial institution with political masters. It is part of the dollar reserve structure and an extension of USA foreign policy. Terms depends on Washington. IMF didn't even want to even discuss terms with Pakistan months ago after the new S asia policy was announced. Trump okayed the IMF bailout behind the scenes to get Abhi released (in my opinion). Terms are tougher than Pakistan is used to...since USA always gave soft terms in the past...but still manageable since reforms are needed in Pakistan anyways.
 
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True. I would assume most competent intel agencies should have most relevant details already. So thats why I dont buy into these theories of US/West pressurizing via IMF just to learn details that they already have.

True. TBH, CIA and other American Intel agencies are too ingrained within Pakistan's society/establishment that they even succeeded in assassinating your then president Zia. So personally, I won't be surprised if they already don't have the blueprint of the entire CPEC with them. It's Pakistan's own stupidity that give CIA so much space in your country over the decades.

IMF is a financial institution with political masters. It is part of the dollar reserve structure and an extension of USA foreign policy. Terms depends on Washington. IMF didn't even want to even discuss terms with Pakistan a months ago after the new S asia policy was announced. Trump okayed the IMF bailout behind the scenes to get Abhi released (in my opinion). Terms are tougher than Pakistan is used to...since USA always gave soft terms in the past...but still manageable since reforms are needed in Pakistan anyways.

Indeed it's Washington who calls the shots in IMF and that too for a good reason, they have 16.7% votes if I'm not wrong. But what stops China from lobbying for a better deal with the second highest number of vote share in IMF ???

I think U.S.A is just making sure that not a penny from IMF is used to pay of Chinese debt. It's more contain China policy than squeeze Pakistan I guess.

Regarding your Abhi statement, it's just BS. In any case Pakistan would have to hand him over without a scratch as per Geneva convention, else it will be another reason for the whole world to bash Pakistan as yet another rouge state, which you can afford ATM.
 
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Is democracy worth it? Going through all the trouble to brings simple reform, can not even bring major change with out 2/3 majority.

Dictatorship/Totalitarianism can bring the changes much faster. There is no need for Federal and provincial assembly and spending money and giving salaries to useless people.

Under the dictatorship, Federal council (Can be non elected members but those who excel in their field) and each division can have a governor and small council. Development funds can be released at district council level and distributed to cities and towns with that district.
Easy to bring reforms......
Special courts for terrorism, corruption, money laundering and tax evasion. Anyone guilty should be given harsh punishment.
Strict laws for monitoring and punishment for anyone miss using media (print, TV/Radio and social media).

if you want to go dictatorship you can land up with pakistani version of dear leader too
be careful what you wish for
 
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Regarding your Abhi statement, it's just BS. In any case Pakistan would have to hand him over without a scratch as per Geneva convention, else it will be another reason for the whole world to bash Pakistan as yet another rouge state, which you can afford ATM.

Believe what you want, there is a lot of implied evidence to suggest that the USA promised something behind closed doors to Pakistan to get Abhi released....Pompeo and Trump were personally involved based on numerous public statements.
 
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True. TBH, CIA and other American Intel agencies are too ingrained within Pakistan's society/establishment that they even succeeded in assassinating your then president Zia. So personally, I won't be surprised if they already don't have the blueprint of the entire CPEC with them. It's Pakistan's own stupidity that give CIA so much space in your country over the decades.

Zia killed by CIA? Conspiracy theory!

Dont know what the heck is a CPEC blue print ... most details are known and any projects being executed on ground can be easily seen publicly or through sattelites.

About CIA reach - I wouldnt dismiss their penetration in most of relevant countries including India. I mean even a poor country like Pakistans ISI has managed it so CIA is just a whole another level.


In any case Pakistan would have to hand him over without a scratch as per Geneva convention, else it will be another reason for the whole world to bash Pakistan as yet another rouge state, which you can afford ATM.

Well he did receive a bit more than just a scratch...
But yes in principle Geneva convention is followed.
 
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LOL the Americans are pretty impressed and now want JF-17 details after we shot down Indian Su-30 and flying coffin. There is no other reason for finding out details regarding JF-17.
 
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IMF bailout package agreed upon in writing: Asad
Khaleeq KianiApril 16, 2019
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Asad Umar said the IMF staff mission would visit Islamabad this month to conclude various technical tables that would then be shared with the NA committee. — PID/File

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) have finalised, documented and signed a bailout package on exchange rate, public finance, fiscal deficit and energy prices and an IMF mission will be visiting Islamabadin the third week of the current month to work out technical tables, said Finance Minister Asad Umar.

“We have reached an agreement and all the major issues have been settled and documented,” Mr Umar told a meeting of the National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Finance and Revenue on Monday after a weeklong visit to the US.

He also reported that Pakistan had dispatched a compliance report to the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) that would be reviewed by the Paris-based agency before sending its delegation to Islamabad by the third week of May for on-ground inspection.

He said the IMF staff mission would visit Islamabad this month to conclude various technical tables that would then be shared with the NA committee.

Read: Bailout package with IMF almost worked out: Asad

Finance minister says size of programme will be between $6bn and $8bn, rejects reports about his removal

During the meeting, leading representatives from various chambers of commerce and industry and the provincial governments opposed the short period being offered for tax amnesty scheme and proposed that these should be well structured and provide sufficient time to the people. The provinces, particularly Punjab, Sindh and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, said the real estate valuations had blocked their property business, resulting in huge revenue loss even though the Federal Board of Revenue might have improved its revenues.

The finance minister later told journalists that the bailout package with the IMF had been “agreed upon in writing and we have an agreement on all policy matters”. These matters included exchange rate, fiscal deficit, energy, public finance and public sector entities, he added.

He said the exact size of the fund programme had not be concluded, adding that it would be between $6 billion and $8 billion. He said major flows would then come from the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank that had been blocked in the pipeline owing to insufficient import cover and the absence of IMF umbrella.

He said Pakistan’s financing gap was around $15bn while $7-8bn from the World Bank, $6-8bn from IMF and ADB would be available while the process for launch of international bonds had already been started. He said he had engagements with leading fund managers and investors in New York and he was happy to report that Pakistan’s bond price had dropped from 9 to 7pc and overall environment was very encouraging for Pakistan’s paper.

He said it would be premature to talk about bond size but the process for its launch had been triggered and may be materialised by the end of current fiscal year or at the start of the next fiscal year.

Asked about reported IMF demands for complete details of Chinese loans, the finance minister said such reports were unfounded and surprising because the fund had asked questions on the subject in October last year and all the details of the Chinese assistance were provided as the government felt there was nothing to hide.

Read: IMF, World Bank urge caution with China loans

Responding to another question, he said the IMF conditions would not burden the people, rather the difficult decisions required to correct the economy marred by problematic policies, for example Rs600bn deficit in power and gas sector alone, of the past would have some costs. He said the tax amnesty scheme would be presented to the cabinet for approval and go into effect over the next two-three days.

Asked about the adjustments in energy prices under the IMF programme, he said the government had not taken any decision about energy prices. The previous government, he added, had inducted expensive power capacity that the National Electric Power Regulatory Authority would keep notifying from time to time. He also refuted a question that IMF had made a demand for cut in defence budget.

He told the NA committee that the economic crisis had been overcome over the last eight months with the successful strategy of the government. He said funds provided by friendly countries had helped create a cushion over the period to compress current account deficit. As a result, the conditions are much different now than the government was discussing with the IMF in October-November last year.

He said the crisis was over now, but stabilisation would continue for sometime which could not be expedited or else the country would again be in the balance of payment problem.

Cabinet reshuffle

Mr Umar rubbished reports about his removal from the federal cabinet.

When asked about media reports in this regard, he quoted a verse of legendary poet Mirza Ghalib, hazaron khvahishen aisi ki har khvahish pe dam nikle (Thousands of desires, each worth dying for...)

Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry also strongly refuted media reports about cabinet reshuffle, saying no portfolio of any minister was being changed and “all such news regarding any such change are concocted”. He said the country was passing through a critical juncture and these unfounded reports were against the national interest. He said Prime Minister Imran Khan had the prerogative to change portfolios, but he was satisfied with the performance of cabinet colleagues. He said the finance minister had very constructive talks with the IMF, adding that on the Financial Action Task Force things were moving in the right direction.

The finance minister did not agree to a question that the IMF programme and FATF compliance were interlinked, but said he had reminded FATF President Marshall Billingslea during his US visit that India co-chairing a review group was not neutral and had been publicly speaking against Pakistan’s interest. He said the FATF chief promised that politics will not be allowed to play a role in its reviews and Pakistan need not to worry about that.

“No response”, said the finance minister when asked if he considered FATF President Billingslea a neutral umpire, adding his position required him to be neutral and fair. Mr Billingslea is also serving as the US Department of the Treasury’s Assistant Secretary heading the Office of Terrorism Financing and Financial Crimes. In this role, he is responsible for policy development and international engagement pertaining to anti-money laundering and counter financing terrorism (AML/CFT).

Meanwhile, the IMF in a statement said it had constructive discussions with Pakistani authorities during the IMF/World Bank Spring Meetings in Washington DC towards an IMF-supported programme. “At the request of the authorities, an IMF mission will be going to Pakistan before the end of April to continue the discussions”, it said.

Published in Dawn, April 16th, 2019

https://www.dawn.com/news/1476396/imf-bailout-package-agreed-upon-in-writing-asad
 
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LOL the Americans are pretty impressed and now want JF-17 details after we shot down Indian Su-30 and flying coffin. There is no other reason for finding out details regarding JF-17.

there are quite a few PAF pilots who would sell secrets for $$$
 
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there are quite a few PAF pilots who would sell secrets for $$$

Where did you get that information?

We have been compromising you for the past 18 years in Afghanistan. Get off the high horse. There are very little US supporters left in this land.

It is better for the US to suck Indian balls. We belong in the China camp.
 
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Pakistan should break this begging bowl, forever. This is the price to pay when you dont have money from your own sources. We should stand on our feet. Its 72 years old country. Nations gaining freedom about our time have gained so much and become so independent while we keep going back to IMF. I hope this is the last time.



In the given circumstances, this is the best bet. This govt. has spent time and effort to make IMF program less adverse for Pakistan. IMF program gives credibility and improves rating with the world that the economy is being reformed. I wish this is the last time ever. Going to IMF again and again shows lack of sincerity to actually carry out painful reforms to put Pakistan on track for self reliance.

I agree --- but we shouldn't forget what any lender really wants: for the "client" to remain in debt and therefore under their control.

It is not in the West's interest to have a stable and financially independent Pakistan that they have little leverage over.

I do hope this is the last bailout.
 
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IMF bailout package agreed upon in writing: Asad
Khaleeq KianiApril 16, 2019
Facebook Count11
Twitter Share

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5cb539e27e817.jpg

Asad Umar said the IMF staff mission would visit Islamabad this month to conclude various technical tables that would then be shared with the NA committee. — PID/File

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) have finalised, documented and signed a bailout package on exchange rate, public finance, fiscal deficit and energy prices and an IMF mission will be visiting Islamabadin the third week of the current month to work out technical tables, said Finance Minister Asad Umar.

“We have reached an agreement and all the major issues have been settled and documented,” Mr Umar told a meeting of the National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Finance and Revenue on Monday after a weeklong visit to the US.

He also reported that Pakistan had dispatched a compliance report to the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) that would be reviewed by the Paris-based agency before sending its delegation to Islamabad by the third week of May for on-ground inspection.

He said the IMF staff mission would visit Islamabad this month to conclude various technical tables that would then be shared with the NA committee.

Read: Bailout package with IMF almost worked out: Asad

Finance minister says size of programme will be between $6bn and $8bn, rejects reports about his removal

During the meeting, leading representatives from various chambers of commerce and industry and the provincial governments opposed the short period being offered for tax amnesty scheme and proposed that these should be well structured and provide sufficient time to the people. The provinces, particularly Punjab, Sindh and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, said the real estate valuations had blocked their property business, resulting in huge revenue loss even though the Federal Board of Revenue might have improved its revenues.

The finance minister later told journalists that the bailout package with the IMF had been “agreed upon in writing and we have an agreement on all policy matters”. These matters included exchange rate, fiscal deficit, energy, public finance and public sector entities, he added.

He said the exact size of the fund programme had not be concluded, adding that it would be between $6 billion and $8 billion. He said major flows would then come from the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank that had been blocked in the pipeline owing to insufficient import cover and the absence of IMF umbrella.

He said Pakistan’s financing gap was around $15bn while $7-8bn from the World Bank, $6-8bn from IMF and ADB would be available while the process for launch of international bonds had already been started. He said he had engagements with leading fund managers and investors in New York and he was happy to report that Pakistan’s bond price had dropped from 9 to 7pc and overall environment was very encouraging for Pakistan’s paper.

He said it would be premature to talk about bond size but the process for its launch had been triggered and may be materialised by the end of current fiscal year or at the start of the next fiscal year.

Asked about reported IMF demands for complete details of Chinese loans, the finance minister said such reports were unfounded and surprising because the fund had asked questions on the subject in October last year and all the details of the Chinese assistance were provided as the government felt there was nothing to hide.

Read: IMF, World Bank urge caution with China loans

Responding to another question, he said the IMF conditions would not burden the people, rather the difficult decisions required to correct the economy marred by problematic policies, for example Rs600bn deficit in power and gas sector alone, of the past would have some costs. He said the tax amnesty scheme would be presented to the cabinet for approval and go into effect over the next two-three days.

Asked about the adjustments in energy prices under the IMF programme, he said the government had not taken any decision about energy prices. The previous government, he added, had inducted expensive power capacity that the National Electric Power Regulatory Authority would keep notifying from time to time. He also refuted a question that IMF had made a demand for cut in defence budget.

He told the NA committee that the economic crisis had been overcome over the last eight months with the successful strategy of the government. He said funds provided by friendly countries had helped create a cushion over the period to compress current account deficit. As a result, the conditions are much different now than the government was discussing with the IMF in October-November last year.

He said the crisis was over now, but stabilisation would continue for sometime which could not be expedited or else the country would again be in the balance of payment problem.

Cabinet reshuffle

Mr Umar rubbished reports about his removal from the federal cabinet.

When asked about media reports in this regard, he quoted a verse of legendary poet Mirza Ghalib, hazaron khvahishen aisi ki har khvahish pe dam nikle (Thousands of desires, each worth dying for...)

Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry also strongly refuted media reports about cabinet reshuffle, saying no portfolio of any minister was being changed and “all such news regarding any such change are concocted”. He said the country was passing through a critical juncture and these unfounded reports were against the national interest. He said Prime Minister Imran Khan had the prerogative to change portfolios, but he was satisfied with the performance of cabinet colleagues. He said the finance minister had very constructive talks with the IMF, adding that on the Financial Action Task Force things were moving in the right direction.

The finance minister did not agree to a question that the IMF programme and FATF compliance were interlinked, but said he had reminded FATF President Marshall Billingslea during his US visit that India co-chairing a review group was not neutral and had been publicly speaking against Pakistan’s interest. He said the FATF chief promised that politics will not be allowed to play a role in its reviews and Pakistan need not to worry about that.

“No response”, said the finance minister when asked if he considered FATF President Billingslea a neutral umpire, adding his position required him to be neutral and fair. Mr Billingslea is also serving as the US Department of the Treasury’s Assistant Secretary heading the Office of Terrorism Financing and Financial Crimes. In this role, he is responsible for policy development and international engagement pertaining to anti-money laundering and counter financing terrorism (AML/CFT).

Meanwhile, the IMF in a statement said it had constructive discussions with Pakistani authorities during the IMF/World Bank Spring Meetings in Washington DC towards an IMF-supported programme. “At the request of the authorities, an IMF mission will be going to Pakistan before the end of April to continue the discussions”, it said.

Published in Dawn, April 16th, 2019

https://www.dawn.com/news/1476396/imf-bailout-package-agreed-upon-in-writing-asad
As expected the reports in certain media outlets regarding so called IMF scrutiny of chinese loans and ongoing defence coorporation etc was just fake news - that is not how IMF works! The thread should be closed now.
 
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Where did you get that information?

We have been compromising you for the past 18 years in Afghanistan. Get off the high horse. There are very little US supporters left in this land.

It is better for the US to suck Indian balls. We belong in the China camp.

there is a good reason pakistan is in a mess. you should know better
 
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